Police Taser Great Grandmother

Whiskey Steve said:
How could the quote (about us all ending up blind) not be true?
Those kinds of attitudes (take an eye and a lip) are what make this world such a foul place. I would encourge your to change your philosophys on that.
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Not entirely. Many situations retaliation is not necessary or called for, of course. That's why a person needs to take serious consideration in their actions. But, as a human, I have no problem with hitting someone back if they hit you, for example. Of course this isn't all black and white. If a guy hit me when I was 12, and I ran into him when I was 30 and he was a nice guy, I'm not going to just punch him. LOL.
And your "cleaver" interpretion of the quote: "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is a stupid one. What you are saying is you want others to punch you in the face because thats how you think all of us deserve to be treated.
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I don't know how you interprted it that way. Its obvious that's not the meaning of my quote. Its obvious that I was implying that if someone believes they can hit me for no reason, I would feel obliged to return the favor. There was NOTHING that indicated I WANTED to get hit. I'd rather be treated with kindness so i can return that. that being said, turn the other cheek doesn't work for me, not unless the consequences for my actions would be too heavy to justify my retaliation.
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
I do enjoy the motto: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." So, if a person would afflict an injury upon me for no good reason, I'll do it right back because IMO, he asked for it. ;) And who would I be to deny a passionate man such a simple request :D
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^ The quote is pretty easy to interpret, maybe you read over it fast or something.

Maybe I should change the "would" to "were to" and the "I" to "I'd" to make it easier to understand?

I do enjoy the motto: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." So, if a person were to afflict an injury upon me for no good reason, I'd do it right back because IMO, he asked for it. ;) And who would I be to deny a passionate man such a simple request :D
 
Has anyone check that police dept. use of force continuum to find out where in line that taser was? Maybe he used everything up until that point. Some of your guys seem to repeat crap you were told by a friend of a friend that was arrested. Seems everyone on the internet has been arrested and been beat by crooked cops that took their money.

This guy could of been an asshole but to make that decision before ALL the facts are out is just a waste of anger and 'whatifs'

As far as the air marshalls on the plane. they had a guy running crazy through the terminal reaching for his bag. even if no one shouted bomb can you blame them for shooting? had they not reacted and a bomb went off you same assholes would be blaming the cops for not acting quick enough etc etc. Just complaining to complain about a profession you know nothing about and refuse to learn anything about since you're already set in your belief that all cops are assholes and crooked.

Compairing prisoners and mental ward patients and civilians being arrested are comparing apples and oranges.


According to some media Tookie was a Nobel Peace Prize nominee who was executed. When media puts something saying old ass woman gets tasered 5 times it may not be completely true. headlines are meant to grab attention and make sales. you tink with all the crap about steroids and suppliments in the news would make you aware of this.:wtf:
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
^ The quote is pretty easy to interpret, maybe you read over it fast or something.

Maybe I should change the "would" to "were to" and the "I" to "I'd" to make it easier to understand?

I do enjoy the motto: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." So, if a person were to afflict an injury upon me for no good reason, I'd do it right back because IMO, he asked for it. ;) And who would I be to deny a passionate man such a simple request :D
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Your interpretation still doesn't work cuz how bout this.....
The guy punched you in the face; sooner or later he WILL feel bad about it. So you dont punch him back because thats how you wish to be treated. Do not give evil for evil to any man.
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
Glad to see you admit you see where I'm coming from.

I didn't mean to say God is a jerk, because I don't believe that, but rather people have accredited God with actions that I believe he didn't/wouldn't commit and make him seem like a jerk. :)
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Please stop doing that.....you can say that the God you believe in wouldn't act like that but do not call ours a jerk...
I beleive the Bible so I know that there will be/is an explanation for every seemingly off action in it.
 
Jayhawkk said:
Has anyone check that police dept. use of force continuum to find out where in line that taser was? Maybe he used everything up until that point. Some of your guys seem to repeat crap you were told by a friend of a friend that was arrested. Seems everyone on the internet has been arrested and been beat by crooked cops that took their money.

This guy could of been an asshole but to make that decision before ALL the facts are out is just a waste of anger and 'whatifs'

As far as the air marshalls on the plane. they had a guy running crazy through the terminal reaching for his bag. even if no one shouted bomb can you blame them for shooting? had they not reacted and a bomb went off you same assholes would be blaming the cops for not acting quick enough etc etc. Just complaining to complain about a profession you know nothing about and refuse to learn anything about since you're already set in your belief that all cops are assholes and crooked.
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Did you actually watch the video. She was sitting down when she got tasered and wasn't attacking the officer.
She got sent to hospital after getting tasered 5 times.

As for the air marshal incident. The DHS lied at first about saying that he shouted bomb. Not a single passenger said that the b-word was uttered even under pressure.
DHS changed its story and said that the man said bomb when he was conveniently OUTSIDE the plane out of earshot from the other passengers.
 
MarcusG said:
Did you actually watch the video. She was sitting down when she got tasered and wasn't attacking the officer.
She got sent to hospital after getting tasered 5 times.

As for the air marshal incident. The DHS lied at first about saying that he shouted bomb. Not a single passenger said that the b-word was uttered even under pressure.
DHS changed its story and said that the man said bomb when he was conveniently OUTSIDE the plane out of earshot from the other passengers.
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Thank you for saying that :study:
 
The Taser is a great and effective piece of equipment for law enforcement. However, it, like other pieces of equipment, can be misused. Lets face it, cops are humans...humans make mistakes...humans make bad decisions. Is this an excuse...no. But unfortunately **** happens, and there are those who do something horrible that gives the rest of law enforcement a stereotypical bad name. They can train-train-train, but a person who is a dumb-ass, usually remains a dumb-ass.

I have not watched the video, but let me tell you, the age of a person means very little. However, the situation means everything. There are incidents where very fit cops have been killed by 60, 70, 80+ males and females, and by children also.
 
Whiskey Steve said:
Your interpretation still doesn't work cuz how bout this.....
The guy punched you in the face; sooner or later he WILL feel bad about it. So you dont punch him back because thats how you wish to be treated. Do not give evil for evil to any man.
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How do you know he'll feel bad about it?

I'll make him wish he never did it, but obviously a guy who will hit someone for no reason isn't the kind of guy who is going to feel bad about what he did...he's a dick.

I'm not sure what you're trying to get at aside from some "turn the other cheek" nonsense. Some people are just plain mean and if they do something mean to me, I'll make sure they never even think about doing it again. If they show me respect and kindness, I'll be sure to be as kind as anybody can be.
 
Jayhawkk said:
Has anyone check that police dept. use of force continuum to find out where in line that taser was? Maybe he used everything up until that point. Some of your guys seem to repeat crap you were told by a friend of a friend that was arrested. Seems everyone on the internet has been arrested and been beat by crooked cops that took their money.

This guy could of been an asshole but to make that decision before ALL the facts are out is just a waste of anger and 'whatifs'

As far as the air marshalls on the plane. they had a guy running crazy through the terminal reaching for his bag. even if no one shouted bomb can you blame them for shooting? had they not reacted and a bomb went off you same assholes would be blaming the cops for not acting quick enough etc etc. Just complaining to complain about a profession you know nothing about and refuse to learn anything about since you're already set in your belief that all cops are assholes and crooked.

Compairing prisoners and mental ward patients and civilians being arrested are comparing apples and oranges.


According to some media Tookie was a Nobel Peace Prize nominee who was executed. When media puts something saying old ass woman gets tasered 5 times it may not be completely true. headlines are meant to grab attention and make sales. you tink with all the crap about steroids and suppliments in the news would make you aware of this.:wtf:
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Very nice...:goodpost:
 
Cuffs said:
...the age of a person means very little. However, the situation means everything. There are incidents where very fit cops have been killed by 60, 70, 80+ males and females, and by children also.
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Thank you very much :)
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
How do you know he'll feel bad about it?

I'll make him wish he never did it, but obviously a guy who will hit someone for no reason isn't the kind of guy who is going to feel bad about what he did...he's a dick.

I'm not sure what you're trying to get at aside from some "turn the other cheek" nonsense. Some people are just plain mean and if they do something mean to me, I'll make sure they never even think about doing it again. If they show me respect and kindness, I'll be sure to be as kind as anybody can be.
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You can keep your eye for an eye concepts as taught in the old testament.
But as for me I will live Christ's law of love: "This is my commandment, that ye love one another, as I have loved you."
 
I don't care what testament they were taught in, bro.

And, if you want to get technical, and you're not supposed to keep the old covenant, then TECHNICALLY there is no law given against murder. The only law against murder was old testament, and if you're saying the old testment is no longer a covenant kept by man and God--as many people of the christian faith believe--then murder isn't included in the laws.

edit: so IMO, it would be wise to stop taking everything so literally and just love God, eh? there are too many problems with the bible to take every word of it literally. Again, I encourage faith in God, I just don't encourage blindly following a book that has been handed down hand to hand for 2000 years, especially when 1500yrs of which were in a time period where there were very few bibles PERIOD--owned only by people of GREAT POWER-- and the very few that did get copied over were copied by often illiterate monks.
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
I don't care what testament they were taught in, bro.

And, if you want to get technical, and you're not supposed to keep the old covenant, then TECHNICALLY there is no law given against murder. The only law against murder was old testament, and if you're saying the old testment is no longer a covenant kept by man and God--as many people of the christian faith believe--then murder isn't included in the laws.

edit: so IMO, it would be wise to stop taking everything so literally and just love God, eh? there are too many problems with the bible to take every word of it literally. Again, I encourage faith in God, I just don't encourage blindly following a book that has been handed down hand to hand for 2000 years, especially when 1500yrs of which were in a time period where there were very few bibles PERIOD--owned only by people of GREAT POWER-- and the very few that did get copied over were copied by often illiterate monks.
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In Christ's law of love, murder would obviously be outlawed because it is not very loving to kill people now is it. It is a higher law. Now instead of everyone being equal all the time we need to go out of our way help people. We need to give to those who cannot give (the homeless). Bless those that hate us. Love those who spitefully use you. And of course, turn the other cheek. We need to help and love people without expecting anything in return.
Your comment about murder was very childish.
 
fWhy is it childish? I was simply saying that if you take every word of the bible literally, you can get some pretty screwed up interpretations.

By the way, i was wrong anyway. Jesus repeated "thou shalt not commit murder" a couple of times, I mixed that up with something else, my bad.

The point still stands fairly obvious, its not in ones best interest to take everything in the bible so literally.

Now, also, simply saying to love one another doesn't differentiate between a slap in the face and a shot to the back. Obviously, one would be of greater consequence. So, your explaination is insufficient.But, I honeslty don't care about THAT PARTICULAR POINT. it doesn't matter. Its the fact that there are a host of issues with taking it literally.

The main point still stands, inconsistencies can make literal interpretation "less than benificial". For example the "acceptance" of God's test of Abraham and the punishment of the Egyptians (including those who were not old enough to make their own decisions nor be accountable for their own actions) etc is not healthy for people, let alone society. Those are not actions that would be accepted by man of man, so why would they be acceptable for God to do, who is superior and better than all man, and who encourages up to live in his image?

Again, I encourage your faith, just that you don't take everything so literally, and please don't tell me to abide by laws in the bible BECAUSE they're in the bible. Same goes with famous apostle's quotes, etc. I don't care what they said, I'm perfectly capable of making reasonable decisions on my own without incorporating 2000 year old writings.

I'll restate it, I encourage your faith, and christianity has done wondeful things for our world, but none of that stemmed from taking every word of the bible literally, it stemmed from the basic moral provided by the the new testament.
 
The whole first born thing is not a one time occurance.....it happened when Christ was a baby in an attempt to kill Christ.

The egyptians also killed thousands of their slaves babies to keep them from rising up (they drowned them to be more specific). That was before Christ had fulfilled the law of sacrifice (eye for an eye). So maybe God killing or commanding the killing of the egyptians children was just to keep things eye for an eye(as was the law at the time). Also the egyptians childrens deaths could have been prevented had their parents chosen to do as preached and put lambs blood on their door.
your post was hard to follow. and why do you keep bringing up Abraham.....no one was harmed
 
Posts are gonna be hard to follow, I'm studying for physics exam :)

I was referring to God's actions on the Egyptions (plagues, killing the first born, etc) because its a famous example everyone is familiar with.

And abraham, do you think Abraham wasn't totally traumatized thinking he had to kill his son? And, how do yo uthink his son felt? My god...so, if I pretended I was going to kill you and your family, and said "just kiddin'g" at the end, you're going to tell me "don't worry about it nobody was harmed"?

That was damn cruel and not very God-like if you ask me.
 
I know you were talking about the egyptians, i just covered that.

I think you would be more concerned with the fact that AN ANGEL OF GOD just appeared in front of you. That would have a pretty calming effect to know that you have a God that cares about you dont you think.

I just finished my exams today... im on top of the world. :D
ps. i love your avatar
 
Whiskey Steve said:
I know you were talking about the egyptians, i just covered that.

I think you would be more concerned with the fact that AN ANGEL OF GOD just appeared in front of you. That would have a pretty calming effect to know that you have a God that cares about you dont you think.

I just finished my exams today... im on top of the world. :D
ps. i love your avatar
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Oh, gotcha, I was reading fast.

My point was I don't find that action reasonable for God if its not reasonable for man, considering we're supposed to live in his image. LOL. that's all. And, if you revert back to that's how things were during that time before Jesus filled the eye for an eye covenant, you can just say that a perfect God wouldn't need to revise his covenant with man. lol. Either way, makes no sense to me.

And, btw, you suck! j/k Done with your exams. lol. you're a lucky bastard. Trying to learn 4 chapters of calc based physics in a day and a half hasn't exactly been fun. lol. But, it will be done tomorrow, and it will be time to put my good friends testosterone, methandrostenolone, and clenbuterol to work :twisted:
 
One time and I could tolerate it, 5 times is pretty ridiculous for a granny, IMO, I think any reasonable individual can say, that it was excessive. 5 times means 5 5 second streams of electricity (at least the one I am familiar with does this). So this woman was electrocuted for 25 seconds?
 
brogers said:
One time and I could tolerate it, 5 times is pretty ridiculous for a granny, IMO, I think any reasonable individual can say, that it was excessive. 5 times means 5 5 second streams of electricity (at least the one I am familiar with does this). So this woman was electrocuted for 25 seconds?
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Maybe he thought he killed her and tried to kickstart her heart?

:rofl:
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
Oh, gotcha, I was reading fast.

My point was I don't find that action reasonable for God if its not reasonable for man, considering we're supposed to live in his image. LOL. that's all. And, if you revert back to that's how things were during that time before Jesus filled the eye for an eye covenant, you can just say that a perfect God wouldn't need to revise his covenant with man. lol. Either way, makes no sense to me.

And, btw, you suck! j/k Done with your exams. lol. you're a lucky bastard. Trying to learn 4 chapters of calc based physics in a day and a half hasn't exactly been fun. lol. But, it will be done tomorrow, and it will be time to put my good friends testosterone, methandrostenolone, and clenbuterol to work :twisted:
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God didn't revise it....Christ just fullfilled it.
If you accept Christs atonement and follow his teachings you will not be judged eye for an eye.
But if you dont accept it then you will be judged without mercy.

So i guess i stated it wrong. The eye for an eye (sacrafice) law isnt gone Christ just made a way for you to escape it. He was the sacrafice for all who accept him.

(and to kick you while your down i sold my books back today and got $120 :D )
 
brogers said:
Improvised defribulator (sp?) eh? :D
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I feel so dirty.....ive been condeming a hero:rolleyes:
even though thats funny we really shouldn't joke about an elderly woman being repetively shocked by a bad cop.
 
seriously I was tazed by two of them and it brought my ass down quick, it feels like ur body was burning on the inside after its over.
That crap hurts, I'd rather get shot in the ass than take a tazer.
 
I'm curious how far the turn the other cheek crowd will go? If someone attacked a family member in front of you would you let them? Would you let a family member be murderd knowing you could have stopped it?
 
Jstrong20 said:
I'm curious how far the turn the other cheek crowd will go? If someone attacked a family member in front of you would you let them? Would you let a family member be murderd knowing you could have stopped it?
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If that was addressed to me, then as I said earlier you not only should but I feel you are required to protect your family. But as for your own person I think its a different story.

(btw...some body gave me a neg rep point and said "can you turn the other cheek?") :wtf:
 
Jack of Shadows said:
In her case, she is elderly and the tape shows she is likely not all there. Hell, she already showed she did not understand that by virute of the behavior that got her brought to the station. She did not likely understand what was happening or why she was there. There was no conceivable way she was a threat to anyone there - and that is when such force is authorized, not to enforce obedience or punish disobedience.
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Bingo.

All it takes for a police state is for the police to exceed their mandate with impunity. In such a state, there's no reason to assume that a sudden imposition of general terror would take place: hell, that would never work; but if people are afraid enough of mobs, crime, terrorists, gangs, foreigners, different people... & the police are extremely popular and always given the benefit of the doubt... & "public safety initiatives" that push the envelop, and complaints about overreaching & overreacting are not overseen too closely or looked-into too deeply, for fear of "damaging important relationships"....well, that COULD work. That could work *really* well, at least for awhile.

Jack of Shadows said:
It is false to sugges that the choice was to let her walk or taze her to stop her. I have worked in inpatient psychiatric units and had to physically control truly violent patients.
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anyone who needs authority over others will abuse it, and repeatedly. they should be kept as far away from power & authority as possible. The way to control a situation is to be in control of yourself & stay aware of what's going on & who's around you.

Taser-guy flunks on all points.
 
steve, would YOU PLEASE stop turning every thread that you are involved into a discussion on the Bible and religion.. enough is enough guy...
 
BodyWizard said:
Bingo.

All it takes for a police state is for the police to exceed their mandate with impunity. In such a state, there's no reason to assume that a sudden imposition of general terror would take place: hell, that would never work; but if people are afraid enough of mobs, crime, terrorists, gangs, foreigners, different people... & the police are extremely popular and always given the benefit of the doubt... & "public safety initiatives" that push the envelop, and complaints about overreaching & overreacting are not overseen too closely or looked-into too deeply, for fear of "damaging important relationships"....well, that COULD work. That could work *really* well, at least for awhile.


anyone who needs authority over others will abuse it, and repeatedly. they should be kept as far away from power & authority as possible. The way to control a situation is to be in control of yourself & stay aware of what's going on & who's around you.

Taser-guy flunks on all points.
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would both of you just stop it.. please.. attempt to keep the thread on topic and don't try to stear it toward religion please..
Steve this is what happened last time that you couldn't figure out what happened
 
RockMam said:
seriously I was tazed by two of them and it brought my ass down quick, it feels like ur body was burning on the inside after its over.
That crap hurts, I'd rather get shot in the ass than take a tazer.
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are you serious!!
I thought you where just supposed to go tense. That sounds like the shock you would get if you put silverwear in an outlet. I thought volts cant burn (or do i have it backwards)
 
Jack of Shadows said:
****, man...come on...this is an unarmed 67 year-old woman.

Be serious.
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So?? Can 67 yr old women not yield butcher knives? Age means nothing, we all follow the same laws..Now what if it was a black 67 yr old woman?? Oh my look out...:rolleyes:
 
scott72 said:
So?? Can 67 yr old women not yield butcher knives? Age means nothing, we all follow the same laws..Now what if it was a black 67 yr old woman?? Oh my look out...:rolleyes:
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What if it was your 67 year old loopy grandma?
 
Whiskey Steve said:
Okay people. Wake up!!!!!
Ill make another similar analogy. I just graduated high school. I remember towards the end of the year I was standing in the halls and a handicapped boy punched me in the mouth....hard!
It knocked some of my teeth a little loose and my cheek was cut badly on the inside and bleed for quite a while. Did I do one thing back to this boy? NO. Would it ever even cross my mind? NO. (by some of the **** you guys are posting i am scared that you would have handled this differently)

If a "young healthy guy" (this converse you keep bringing up) punched one of you in the mouth I know you would hit him back. And therefore with the arguments you guys keep making i guess you would feel like you were doing the right thing if you fucked up a handicapped kid for hitting you.
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Both of these people were unstable and as such deserve different treatment than stable people. End of Story! (the police made a mistake now stop trying to justify it!)
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Give me a break. If a handicapped kid is dumb enough to pop someone in the face knocking teeth out, then hell yeah he deserves to get popped. Why should he get to use his handicap as a excuse and get to hit people? That makes no sense. If your gonna make adult decisions, your gonna get adult consequences..
 
Whiskey Steve said:
What if it was your 67 year old loopy grandma?
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I would reserve judgment until I saw the entire video. I wouldn't pass judgement like a lot of you are based on half of the story. Someone said it earlier, a lot of you are cop haters and aren't gonna think twice about calling for police brutality.
 
scott72 said:
I would reserve judgment until I saw the entire video. I wouldn't pass judgement like a lot of you are based on half of the story. Someone said it earlier, a lot of you are cop haters and aren't gonna think twice about calling for police brutality.
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Im a cop lover.....and a jack ass hater (i feel that is one stupid cop)
 
Whiskey Steve said:
Im a cop lover.....and a jack ass hater (i feel that is one stupid cop)
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He very well could be. I'm a cop and I work with a few people that prob shouldn't be cops. That being said, I'd say 95% of us have good judgement and morals and don't want to ever have to inflict pain or injure someone. Sometimes it can't be avoided however. With the public sue happy as they are, you really have to be careful how you progress up the use of force chart. It's really hard to explain it, but if you wore the badge you'd know what I was talking about. Sometimes you can't do the things your policies and procedures say you can because you know it's not going to look good. That sucks cause officers have lost their lives trying to avoid that big lawsuit.
 
i want all of you to visit Invalid Link Removed best website ever .... talks all about the police state we live in
 
Rob69420 said:
i want all of you to visit Invalid Link Removed best website ever .... talks all about the police state we live in
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do you want to point us in a direction....... I dont want to have to seach the whole site.
 
Alex jones....ha what a joke. I remeber that guy saying our SWAT team is training in school environments not because there could be a kid with a gun or hostage situation but they are planning on taking over kids. You dont need special training to take over a bunch of middle school kids. Ignore that website you will just be wasting your time.
 
bicepPump said:
Alex jones....ha what a joke. I remeber that guy saying our SWAT team is training in school environments not because there could be a kid with a gun or hostage situation but they are planning on taking over kids. You dont need special training to take over a bunch of middle school kids. Ignore that website you will just be wasting your time.
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the excuse the govt used at the time was columbine. you're referring to his movie "police state 2000." his website's awesome but some people just want to ingore what jones says and that's fine you can have your own opinion.
 
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