POLICE STATE 2012: 6 year old girl groped then drug tested by TSA
POLICE STATE 2011: 6 year old girl groped then drug tested by TSA
POLICE STATE 2011: 6 year old girl groped then drug tested by TSA
I think what you stated is all well and good, but some action needs to be taken, and I believe in hitting them right where it hurts.. the walletI've written my congressmen about the TSA, as well as other recent issues. If you want this to change, I recommend you do so as well.
They make people dependent on things and then they figure out how to make more money off it.One thing we all need to remember and you can take this as a positive or negative; no one is forced to fly in an airplane. It's a choice you make and not a constitutional right. Neither is going to a baseball game or rock concert.
If you want to let the airlines know how you feel, then stop flying. If you want to fly, for now, you have to jump thru these hoops.
i agree...One thing we all need to remember and you can take this as a positive or negative; no one is forced to fly in an airplane. It's a choice you make and not a constitutional right. Neither is going to a baseball game or rock concert.
If you want to let the airlines know how you feel, then stop flying. If you want to fly, for now, you have to jump thru these hoops.
TSA and civil liberties be damned, that is actually a really damn good point.i agree...
the last thing i want is some terrorist strapping a bomb to his kid and blowing up the airplane
this doesnt affect me because i cant leave the state of nj... or my house after 12...
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This is very sad but if a person can stick a weapon up their butt they will use a child in a heart beat to traffic things through security. It's one of those things that is very offensive, yet if a terrorist straped a weapon to their child and got through security everyone would be mad they got through and say security failed. Where's the balance? It's extremely hard to balance.
Well....it would effect you if a plane happened to blow up and land on your house. Plane crashes have happened in communities in the past.i agree...
the last thing i want is some terrorist strapping a bomb to his kid and blowing up the airplane
this doesnt affect me because i cant leave the state of nj... or my house after 12...
ha
So your saying its ok for strangers to be groping kids in public, and that as long as the parents to make a big deal out of it they will be fine?If people and especially the kids parents don't blow it out of proportion, none of these kids will be permanently damaged. We're spoiled here in the USA.
Nope. That is not what I am saying. I am saying that if you choose to get on an airplane, that the lawful authorities in uniform we have in place at this time may search you. This isn't Chester the Molester hiding in the little boys section at Wal Mart.So your saying its ok for strangers to be groping kids in public, and that as long as the parents to make a big deal out of it they will be fine?
If we allow ourselves to be so afraid that we find the fondling of children acceptable,then the terrorist have already beaten us.This is very sad but if a person can stick a weapon up their butt they will use a child in a heart beat to traffic things through security. It's one of those things that is very offensive, yet if a terrorist straped a weapon to their child and got through security everyone would be mad they got through and say security failed. Where's the balance? It's extremely hard to balance.
TSA are not doctors, they are low wage workers just like they are at Wall Mart.Nope. That is not what I am saying. I am saying that if you choose to get on an airplane, that the lawful authorities in uniform we have in place at this time may search you. This isn't Chester the Molester hiding in the little boys section at Wal Mart.
If you don't like it, don't get on a plane.
have you ever been to jail?Well....it would effect you if a plane happened to blow up and land on your house. Plane crashes have happened in communities in the past.
Nobody wants any kids having bombs strapped on, but it gets to the point of it being ridiculous. I dont want to get shot on the street, perhaps every home should have a metal detector on their front doors too.
Not trying to be a pecker here to you, I do agree some security is necessary. Just saying...some people view things differently. I for one think that that 6 year old may have some issues when she grows up, its more than civil liberties that is a concern. If someone did that pat down to you in the park they would go to jail.
Wow... some common sense.I gotta say, as the father of an 8 year old girl, I would have been absolutely furious if this was my daughter. We have given away one freedom after another since 9-11, it has gone too overboard imo
“They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security”.
No never had been in prison but I know people. Im a law abiding citizen.have you ever been to jail?
that pat-down was nothing...
im not embarrased or mad, hes doing his job making sure *******s like me arent out getting high and terrorizing the public...
people should feel blessed that our country is doing what it can to help keep its citizens safe...
No never had been in prison but I know people. Im a law abiding citizen.
Even with those prison pat-downs its amazing the arsenal of drugs that still get through anyways, isnt it?
I feel blessed that my country (USA) is keeping us safe...but what I support is just good old fashioned police work.
We should be supporting the police, their resources, their funds, their benefits...and have good old fashioned police/detective work protecting us, not TSA and billionaires selling their toxic airport equipment. Sent the funds to the cops not rich people and TSA. The money is there, use it right.
1 question....do you have children?i agree with what your saying... there should probably be cops in the airport... WAIT... last time i was there there were dogs, ak47s men in army fatigue ect.... im pretty sure the govt is spending PLENTY of money preventing scum from ruining america any more....
but i really could care less... if someone is making sure bombs arent getting on planes and killing innocent people/my family/anyone....im happy
im the kind of person that would enjoy seeing people get all worked up over a pat down in an airport... thats entertainment...
TO be honest, I dont know if any are "getting off" however, the slightest chance that someone is tells me right away how wrong this is. Again, we have certain freedoms in this country, that to me should not be infringed upon. My personal, physical privacy is amongst themI see nothing wrong with this at all. Im sure none of the TSA workers are "getting off" by patting a child down. Nobody has been caught using these precautions because the "terrorists" see what they are doing and have no way around it. Its a "damned if ya do, damned if ya dont" type deal. As stated above, if you dont like it, dont fly. People need to inform their children about current events and let them know about the times we are living in. I feel like these people are looking for an easy way to make some cash and this happens to be an easy target. I never knew they hire pedafiles in the TSA. Its news to me lol.
Its a good quote, and bear in mind, our founding fathers revolted for what I might deem as less reprehensible crimesI'm starting a pool on how long it takes someone to throw in the Ben Franklin quote:
Really? You are claiming that the full body scanners are a complete success after less than a year? I am PRETTY sure there was well over a year between 9-11 and the underwear bomber, so maybe it is a bit premature to call it a success. Any common idiot can sit down and find ways to penetrate that impenetrable security.I see nothing wrong with this at all. Im sure none of the TSA workers are "getting off" by patting a child down. Nobody has been caught using these precautions because the "terrorists" see what they are doing and have no way around it. Its a "damned if ya do, damned if ya dont" type deal. As stated above, if you dont like it, dont fly. People need to inform their children about current events and let them know about the times we are living in. I feel like these people are looking for an easy way to make some cash and this happens to be an easy target. I never knew they hire pedafiles in the TSA. Its news to me lol.
I like it but then I think we all need to decide if getting on an airplane is an essential liberty. TSA, while not ideal, is not preventing the general population from flying. It's just not as convenient as it used to be. There are other forms of travel available that can take you anywhere on this planet. It just takes longer and is less convenient. So, no, air travel is NOT an essential liberty.Its a good quote, and bear in mind, our founding fathers revolted for what I might deem as less reprehensible crimes
That is a logical fallacy considering the TSA security points have been breached how many times? TSA has been beaten time and time again. Just that the people are either idiots in their plot, or the people stopped them.Then, we move on to what is or is not reasonable in a search. Based on the methods we have seen employed by terrorists and the fact that no US planes have been succesfully bombed or hijacked since 911, that might be prima facie evidence that at least some of what we have TSA doing IS working.
That's why I qualified my statement with the word "some" of what TSA is doing. So, no, it's not a fallacy.That is a logical fallacy considering the TSA security points have been breached how many times? TSA has been beaten time and time again. Just that the people are either idiots in their plot, or the people stopped them.
So then, how many time before 9-11 without all these unnecessary checks?
Read some Bruce Schneier and then come back and tell me how the TSA is making us safer.
Beyond Fear.. that was the book I was thinking of.. check it out.That's why I qualified my statement with the word "some" of what TSA is doing. So, no, it's not a fallacy.
I'll add it to my reading list. Ironically, I buy a book to read every time I fly so I may read it on 1 of my 2 upcoming trips. And, one of these days, I'll take time to type up how I breeched TSA security last year p:Beyond Fear.. that was the book I was thinking of.. check it out.
1 question....do you have children?
I do understand where you are coming from, but I respectfully disagree. At the end of the day, a pat down of a 6 year old (where her parents were advised that the TSA agent was going to use the back of her hand on her "sensitive parts") to me is over the top. As I said, my daughter is 8, and anyone going down that road, I assure you will lead to no goodno, but if i had kids, would you trust that i not strap a bomb to him to get back at the system????
i have a few felony convictions... have u ever heard of people going for revenge after they got themselves fired at work???
the purpose of having these "pat downs" is to prevent bad sht from going down...
you can have pat downs, (which suck)
or you can have people sh*t up, (which sucks wayyyy worse...)
having someone pat you, or your kid down... is the lesser of the two evils
thats not to say i wouldnt be mad if someone searched my kid....
i once cursed off a police officer for searching my girls purse.... (that didnt turn out so well)
As a father and increasingly frequent flyer, I have to respectfully disagree. ALL PEOPLE getting on a plane should be subject to the same searches. Those searches should be thorough enough to determine that there is no bomb strapped to anyone; 30 yo men, 97yo grandmothers, 3yo kids.....EVERYONE.I do understand where you are coming from, but I respectfully disagree. At the end of the day, a pat down of a 6 year old (where her parents were advised that the TSA agent was going to use the back of her hand on her "sensitive parts") to me is over the top. As I said, my daughter is 8, and anyone going down that road, I assure you will lead to no good
Outside of that, things with all of these TSA rules and regulations have proven to not be as effective as intended. With that said, it seems to make them a tad pointless imo.
No, their history of missing things going through their "Checkpoints" is what shows they are ineffective.I'm sorry but it seems like people just can't get over the pedophile angle here. A few bad apples in the barrel does not mean that the TSA is 100% ineffective.
100% ineffective?No, their history of missing things going through their "Checkpoints" is what shows they are ineffective.
I understand, but I will say I think the pedophilia issue is just a part. You yourself said that you have beaten TSA screening before, thus proving a sense of ineffectiveness.As a father and increasingly frequent flyer, I have to respectfully disagree. ALL PEOPLE getting on a plane should be subject to the same searches. Those searches should be thorough enough to determine that there is no bomb strapped to anyone; 30 yo men, 97yo grandmothers, 3yo kids.....EVERYONE.
I'm sorry but it seems like people just can't get over the pedophile angle here. A few bad apples in the barrel does not mean that the TSA is 100% ineffective.
First of all, he boarded the plane in Amsterdam. They dont just hire anybody...there are all kinds of background checks and im sure if they had some kind of sexual offense against a child on their recoed, they wouldnt hire them. Somebody posted that they ARE pedofiles so that was geared more towards THAT person. There is NO way of predicting someones future actions PERIOD! So for those saying there rights are being violated, what do you suggest they do? Let people come and go as they please? So they quit doing these security checks and the moment something goes wrong, everyone acts surprised. What do you expect? I am almost positive that ANY COMMON IDIOT CANNOT FIND A WAY TO PENETRATE THAT IMPENETRATABLE SECURITY! Nice try though. I too enjoy my freedom, thats why I WILL let them grab me wherever they please, as long as I get from point A to point B in one piece.Really? You are claiming that the full body scanners are a complete success after less than a year? I am PRETTY sure there was well over a year between 9-11 and the underwear bomber, so maybe it is a bit premature to call it a success. Any common idiot can sit down and find ways to penetrate that impenetrable security.
As for who they hire... come on man. If you are a warm body they will hire you, I do believe you have gone through a security check point and see they are not the cream of society correct? It was just two weeks ago here in missouri that a grade school teacher was secretly video taping the young girls in he class from a low angle... unless you are implying they knowingly hire pedofiles!?
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