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Ph's and libido

prebzmaister

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So, I'm thinking of starting my cycle of 1-andro as soon as I get it, the problem is that I've read that many guys fail at getting their dicks to work, while running the cycle. Are there anyting I can do to make my buddy work without taking viagra?
I've also ordered Daa and controllef labs blue up. Any of these I could take while on cycle?
 
Well, there seems to be more than just one log, where it is written that their libido fell. Just wondering if there are anyting i could do to prevent it from happening.
 
My libido definitely took hit when I was running Finaflex 1-Alpha.

TR3ST
epiandrosterone
4-DHEA
transdermal DHEA

Those may help. TR3ST is definitely the most potent option.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
My libido definitely took hit when I was running Finaflex 1-Alpha. TR3ST epiandrosterone 4-DHEA transdermal DHEA Those may help. TR3ST is definitely the most potent option.
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Arent there any natural option? First of, I dont want to usa a ****load of more monet, allready spent Too much, since i dont wanna get taken by the customs.

Tribulus? Daa? L-arganine, zma? Stacking those together while on cycle? Any good?
 
prebzmaister said:
Arent there any natural option? First of, I dont want to usa a ****load of more monet, allready spent Too much, since i dont wanna get taken by the customs.

Tribulus? Daa? L-arganine, zma? Stacking those together while on cycle? Any good?
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No, there really isn't. But if you are about to run 1-Andro, why not throw in some 4-AD as well? They were designed to be stacked together.
 
Iv used 4-andro with 2 hdrol cycles at this point. It only helps if Dosed fairly high. I haven't had the chance to run the 4-andro that got banned though, I'm sure that would help a lot.
 
All PH seem to hit me in the Johnson pretty hard. Trest on the other hand works great to keep you up. None of that other crap is going to help you. Your options are trest, viagra, and cialis. I had great libido on my cycle of trest, dmz bridged to trest, dianodrol. I'M on my second week of PCT and my libido is in the ****ter. Thank the lord for cialis!
 
Levitra too ;)

thehogsters said:
All PH seem to hit me in the Johnson pretty hard. Trest on the other hand works great to keep you up. None of that other crap is going to help you. Your options are trest, viagra, and cialis. I had great libido on my cycle of trest, dmz bridged to trest, dianodrol. I'M on my second week of PCT and my libido is in the ****ter. Thank the lord for cialis!
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well, might as well try some natural stuff and see what happens.

throw in a mix of all kinds of ****ed up **** to make Johnny work at the right times. And if I'm lucky, I might get what the advertisers says, higher libido. Tho I think it it will be ****ed.
 
prebzmaister said:
Arent there any natural option? First of, I dont want to usa a ****load of more monet, allready spent Too much, since i dont wanna get taken by the customs.

Tribulus? Daa? L-arganine, zma? Stacking those together while on cycle? Any good?
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Trib and SNS DAA are both effective and inexpesive;) If yyou want to spend a little more then Get Ripped has PCT Assist for $28.59 right now
 
5-Alpha test is at a solid price right now. I don't know how long you're running 1-Andro, but you could just run a bottle of 5-Alpha the last 4 weeks. Wouldn't be too expensive that way.

I didn't notice any hit in libido after 2 weeks on Alpha Mass at the directed dose.
 
As you guys may have read already, I live in Norway which is not even a part of EU. This makes it extremly hard for me to get my hands on ph's. 1-andro is one of the few, which is considered a medicine and not a drug, for some reason. This makes it possible for me to import 3 months usage of 1-andro.
 
prebzmaister said:
As you guys may have read already, I live in Norway which is not even a part of EU. This makes it extremly hard for me to get my hands on ph's. 1-andro is one of the few, which is considered a medicine and not a drug, for some reason. This makes it possible for me to import 3 months usage of 1-andro.
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How is it possible that you can't get 4-andro then? They are both DHEA derivatives. Have you checked it?
 
g0hardorgohom said:
How is it possible that you can't get 4-andro then? They are both DHEA derivatives. Have you checked it?
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I haven't checked 4-andro but, i could do it tomorrow. Here is where it get's really funny, DHEA is considered a drug, but 1-DHEA is not. Norway has some ****ed up rules. Even horny goat extract is considered a drug.
 
prebzmaister said:
I haven't checked 4-andro but, i could do it tomorrow. Here is where it get's really funny, DHEA is considered a drug, but 1-DHEA is not. Norway has some ****ed up rules. Even horny goat extract is considered a drug.

But I guess doing 4-andro without a SERM is pretty stupid
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Yep, it's pretty much the same here few hundred kilometers to east but at least we can get stuff from UK.

Doing 4-DHEA without a SERM is just as stupid as doing 1-DHEA without a SERM. Both are suppressive.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
Yep, it's pretty much the same here few hundred kilometers to east but at least we can get stuff from UK. Doing 4-DHEA without a SERM is just as stupid as doing 1-DHEA without a SERM. Both are suppressive.
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Ohwell, Im gonna check 4-ad. Sucks not being able to get my hans on a SERM, so Im gonna do it with AMS Arom-X, Pes Erase, controlled labs Blue up and Daa as my PCT.

Cycle support gonna be Now's epimedium, horny goat weed complex, tribulus and DAA, ZMA and all the regular stuff as multi vit, fish oil and so.

Other PH's and illigal SERM will not be considered, but I will gladly take other advices with me.
 
prebzmaister said:
Ohwell, Im gonna check 4-ad. Sucks not being able to get my hans on a SERM, so Im gonna do it with AMS Arom-X, Pes Erase, controlled labs Blue up and Daa as my PCT.

Cycle support gonna be Now's epimedium, horny goat weed complex, tribulus and DAA, ZMA and all the regular stuff as multi vit, fish oil and so.

Other PH's and illigal SERM will not be considered, but I will gladly take other advices with me.
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Better save those test boosters (epimedium, horny goat weed, tribulus, DAA and ZMA) for PCT. They won't help you on cycle.

And check 4-DHEA. 4-AD is banned here where I am from too but 4-DHEA is not. The active ingredient is 4-DHEA, 4-AD hasn't been on the market since 2000 something.

EDIT: And pick either Arom-X or PES Erase. They are both aromatase inhibitors and it is not good to suppress your estrogen levels too much!
 
g0hardorgohom said:
Better save those test boosters (epimedium, horny goat weed, tribulus, DAA and ZMA) for PCT. They won't help you on cycle. And check 4-DHEA. 4-AD is banned here where I am from too but 4-DHEA is not. The active ingredient is 4-DHEA, 4-AD hasn't been on the market since 2000 something. EDIT: And pick either Arom-X or PES Erase. They are both aromatase inhibitors and it is not good to suppress your estrogen levels too much!
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Hate the thought of loosing the function of my bud, but fine, im gonna save them.

Which of Arom-x and Erase should i choose?
 
g0hardorgohom said:
Erase seems to be much more popular.
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Guess I'll stick with Erase then. Should I do recomended dosage?

And I was just wondering if this whole thing could **** my hormonal system even more up. I do have normal testo production, but it is as said earlier friggin low (9-10). Never done any ph or such before. I am waiting for the endocrinolog, Should I wait with mye cycle or?
 
prebzmaister said:
Guess I'll stick with Erase then. Should I do recomended dosage?

And I was just wondering if this whole thing could **** my hormonal system even more up. I do have normal testo production, but it is as said earlier friggin low (9-10). Never done any ph or such before. I am waiting for the endocrinolog, Should I wait with mye cycle or?
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In my opinion you should wait until you meet your endo. Doing a PH cycle without SERMs is even more stupid if you already have low test levels.

If you decide to do it anyway, taper the Erase down in order to avoid potential estrogen rebound.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
In my opinion you should wait until you meet your endo. Doing a PH cycle without SERMs is even more stupid if you already have low test levels. If you decide to do it anyway, taper the Erase down in order to avoid potential estrogen rebound.
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Yeah, been thinking the same thing. My doc said there was nothing wrong with me, but I wanted a endo to take a look. You mean like gradually going down on the dosage with Erase, or?
 
prebzmaister said:
Yeah, been thinking the same thing. My doc said there was nothing wrong with me, but I wanted a endo to take a look. You mean like gradually going down on the dosage with Erase, or?
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Yep. For example 3/3/3/2/1/1 or something like that. Just don't suddenly drop all of it.
 
I wonder if the results are even worth the bother and money. Most likely not the money tho.

I will post up as soon as i know anything about 4-andro and my endo.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
I agree, but it's probably illegal in Norway. At least it is here.
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Depends on what it is classefied as. My guess is a drug, but since they are talking about using it as clinical medicines, it might be classefied as a medicine. If so, I should be able to get it, as long as there are anybody in EU or UK which sells the stuff.

I understood it is a SARM, and not a PH? Mind explaining breifly the difference?
 
prebzmaister said:
Depends on what it is classefied as. My guess is a drug, but since they are talking about using it as clinical medicines, it might be classefied as a medicine. If so, I should be able to get it, as long as there are anybody in EU or UK which sells the stuff.

I understood it is a SARM, and not a PH? Mind explaining breifly the difference?
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SARM = selective androgen receptor modulator. In theory it has positive effects of steroids without negative effects. In reality it builds muscle and increases strength (gains are not steroid like though) with minor side effects. You won't need a SERM after Ostarine.
 
Mystere3 said:
I think brawn makes a pill called ostabol that you may be able to get?
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Yeah, there are several ostarine clones in UK. I'd order them from Powermyself.

At least Brawn Nutrition, Celtic Labs and Ironmag Labs have ostarine.
 
waiting for answers on the classification of the two.

Would it give greater results to stack O-bol (ostarine from Brawn) with my current cycle?
 
prebzmaister said:
Both 4-andro and o-bol are greenlighted guys, going medical classefied.
This is gonna get expencive.
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Hold your horses.

The smartest thing to do would be run Ostarine solo. It will give you results with very little suppression. Save that 1-DHEA and 4-DHEA for future. How you would know what works and what doesn't if you take all of them at once? And odds are that 4-DHEA, 1-DHEA + Ostarine is suppressive enough stack that you'd want to take a SERM after the cycle.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
Hold your horses. The smartest thing to do would be run Ostarine solo. It will give you results with very little suppression. Save that 1-DHEA and 4-DHEA for future. How you would know what works and what doesn't if you take all of them at once? And odds are that 4-DHEA, 1-DHEA + Ostarine is suppressive enough stack that you'd want to take a SERM after the cycle.
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Yeah thoght the same thing. So do you think I could do only o-bol no despite not having been at the endo? Is it supressive? Seems like it only hits skeletal muscle.
 
Depends on the cycle length, diet, and training.

4 weeks at 25 mg, expect 2-3 kg lean mass with a 500 cal surplus, 8 weeks more like 4-5 kg.

Gains from ostarine tend to be more lean muscle and less water and glycogen compared prohormones or AAS.

The best comparison to ostarine is anavar, it's basically like a 1/3 strength version of the drug, great increases in strength with modest increases in size but very clean. Anavar is obviously much more potent than ostarine.
 
Mystere3 said:
Depends on the cycle length, diet, and training. 4 weeks at 25 mg, expect 2-3 kg lean mass with a 500 cal surplus, 8 weeks more like 4-5 kg. Gains from ostarine tend to be more lean muscle and less water and glycogen compared prohormones or AAS. The best comparison to ostarine is anavar, it's basically like a 1/3 strength version of the drug, great increases in strength with modest increases in size but very clean. Anavar is obviously much more potent than ostarine.
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So what are your thoughts of doing o-bol despite my low test level - doc says they are inside the normal zone, just low (9-10). Dont know how long it will take before I get to the endo, maybe one or two months.
 
I would do it, it won't really significantly change endogenous test production esp with a couple months to recover.
 
so since it's not that supressive it should not do any damage, considering my low testo? doing it at 20 all the way. Using Arom-x as a PCT.

how long should it be till I do the 1-andro cycle?
 
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