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Phosphatidic acid for strength and size

De__eB said:
Well yes, but buying any other time than when it's on sale for $10/lb would be silly.
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Kind of screwed when the stuff doesn't go on sale regularly.BTW, don’t get me wrong and assume that I think $32 for 2 lbs of protein is a bargain. There’s a reason I usually just buy Gourmet or Elite Whey. I said that Metabolic Drive was good quality protein at a fair (market) price. I didn't imply that it was a bargain.
 
ma70 said:
Yeah that's why I posted on here asking about it. It really sucks cause I wouldn't even mind testing it but it's EXPENSIVE (20 day supply for 60 bucks?)
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I said eff it, took some of my returns $$$ and ordered 4 bottles. Haven't decided if I want to start it when I start my second bottle of Norcodrene or after my cut.
 
kissdadookie said:
As far as I can tell, PA's strength is in hypertrophy, which is right up my alley :P
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I was reading CT's thread on T-Nation and he said if you emphasize the eccentric portion of the major lifts it helps out a lot with activating MTOR.
 
ma70 said:
I was reading CT's thread on T-Nation and he said if you emphasize the eccentric portion of the major lifts it helps out a lot with activating MTOR.
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Yup, Meadows says the same thing :D Those guys train at high volumes though as well.I think with DY style training, PA would work well and you can also gain a good amount of strength with that style as well.
 
ma70 said:
Do you plan on running Micro-PA standalone?
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I haven't decided if I want to run 30 days of it along with my second bottle of Norcodrene and then the remaining 50 days supply whilst on maintenance calories, or if I want to run the entire 80 days supply after I cut and go back on maintenance calories :P Bottles are coming in tomorrow or Friday most likely, they shipped it already.

BigGame84 said:
I suggest Leucine tabs and creatine to run with this.
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I use CREmTOR as my creatine daily. It's mostly a HICA + 1 gram of leucine supp though, the creatine is just the extra value add. I believe HICA activates mTOR similarly to leucine?
 
A lot of people said they noticed massive "gains" within a week or two so I wonder if even one bottle is good enough to really judge it.
 
ma70 said:
A lot of people said they noticed massive "gains" within a week or two so I wonder if even one bottle is good enough to really judge it.
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Those people are crazy :P Even if you DOUBLE your usual gains, you still can't notice much of anything in a week. I can however believe that it's possible to have a pump going and lasting longer because if you are staying anabolic for longer (which is supposedly what the science behind PA suggests) and have food being taken within that period, it could possibly make your muscles fuller. However, having a muscle pump doesn't really mean you've actually gained any muscle :P
 
kissdadookie said:
I haven't decided if I want to run 30 days of it along with my second bottle of Norcodrene and then the remaining 50 days supply whilst on maintenance calories, or if I want to run the entire 80 days supply after I cut and go back on maintenance calories :P Bottles are coming in tomorrow or Friday most likely, they shipped it already. I use CREmTOR as my creatine daily. It's mostly a HICA + 1 gram of leucine supp though, the creatine is just the extra value add. I believe HICA activates mTOR similarly to leucine?
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Just looked at the CREmTOR profile. Yes, perfect to run with PA.
 
kissdadookie said:
Those people are crazy :P Even if you DOUBLE your usual gains, you still can't notice much of anything in a week. I can however believe that it's possible to have a pump going and lasting longer because if you are staying anabolic for longer (which is supposedly what the science behind PA suggests) and have food being taken within that period, it could possibly make your muscles fuller. However, having a muscle pump doesn't really mean you've actually gained any muscle :P
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Well, it's t-nation....and Biotest seems like a god to them.

Either way, I'm gonna sit back and maybe when I get bored of waiting for stuff, I'll just order 1-2 bottles of PA.
 
ma70 said:
Well, it's t-nation....and Biotest seems like a god to them.

Either way, I'm gonna sit back and maybe when I get bored of waiting for stuff, I'll just order 1-2 bottles of PA.
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LoL.

There's also that HMB-FA coming out. For a deep pockets person, that should be fun to run with PA I would think, since the two ingredients works through different pathways (HMB-FA seems to be highly anti-catabolic whilst PA is a strong mTOR signaller that stays in your system for 7 hours or so according to Dr. Wilson).
 
kissdadookie said:
LoL.

There's also that HMB-FA coming out. For a deep pockets person, that should be fun to run with PA I would think, since the two ingredients works through different pathways (HMB-FA seems to be highly anti-catabolic whilst PA is a strong mTOR signaller that stays in your system for 7 hours or so according to Dr. Wilson).
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Yeah unfortunately thanks to buying a new car my supplement budget has been cut down (otherwise I'd be all for Micro-PA). I ran a killer Anabeta/ArA stack recently and now I'm on a cutting stack (Reform/AT2/Norcodrene/Burn24). After these two stacks I think I'll have to take a break from these kinds of stacks for awhile unless I get a pay increase, haha.
 
mechka_grizli said:
When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put aside childish things.
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I'm not sure where you're going with this.

kissdadookie said:
That stuff is tasty. Still friggin really expensive for the amount of actual protein you get. Practically a mass gainer. :P
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Yeah, not to mention with the way flavoring is going, not worth it anymore. Besides, you can get UP 2.0 for half the price.
 
By the way, kissdadookie, are you planning on logging your progress with PA or just gonna do basic reports? :D
 
ma70 said:
By the way, kissdadookie, are you planning on logging your progress with PA or just gonna do basic reports? :D
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Impressions, periodic updates. If you look my logs up on bb forum, you'll see why I don't want to start another log. Those things are tremendous work for me because I take notes, I track everything, it's just very time consuming and distracting when I'm in the gym. I ordered 4 bottles initially then I ordered another 2 bottles after seeing class action settlement money magically appearing in my bank acct :P So the first order is arriving today, I will start on it tomorrow. I have a pretty good idea of what my current stack provides me since the only change has been Norcodrene + bronkaid and I'm almost done with the first bottle of Norcodrene. If the Micro-PA does anything, I should be able to take notice of it after a week or so (going by the anecdotal feedback I have read by people using the product). By noticing something, I don't mean strength or muscle gains, but I'm anticipating maybe recovery changes or muscle fullness. It's understandable that I'm not in the best situation for gains since I'm on a caloric deficit, plus gains comes so slow. LoL.
 
kissdadookie said:
Impressions, periodic updates. If you look my logs up on bb forum, you'll see why I don't want to start another log. Those things are tremendous work for me because I take notes, I track everything, it's just very time consuming and distracting when I'm in the gym. I ordered 4 bottles initially then I ordered another 2 bottles after seeing class action settlement money magically appearing in my bank acct :P So the first order is arriving today, I will start on it tomorrow. I have a pretty good idea of what my current stack provides me since the only change has been Norcodrene + bronkaid and I'm almost done with the first bottle of Norcodrene. If the Micro-PA does anything, I should be able to take notice of it after a week or so (going by the anecdotal feedback I have read by people using the product). By noticing something, I don't mean strength or muscle gains, but I'm anticipating maybe recovery changes or muscle fullness. It's understandable that I'm not in the best situation for gains since I'm on a caloric deficit, plus gains comes so slow. LoL.
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I'm in the same boat. I just bulked and now I'm on a cut so there's a lot of new exciting stuff that I don't think would suit me for now. Just gotta wait now...
 
ma70 said:
I'm in the same boat. I just bulked and now I'm on a cut so there's a lot of new exciting stuff that I don't think would suit me for now. Just gotta wait now...
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I hear yah :D

I'm the kind of person that takes one for the team as the saying goes. So since my budget increased quite a bit out of the blue, I decided to give PA a go and figured that 30 or so days whilst cutting is a good amount of time to give an impression on how the stuff is when in a cutting scenario and then run the rest of it for a good long time and see how it does on maintenance/slow bulk.
 
Opened a bottle to look at what the stuff looks like. They are some weird looking capsules. Lol. Will start giving it a go in another week.
 
ma70 said:
LOL. I actually just registered today. You actually can't post topics in the Micro-PA forum without approval...uh oh.
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I'm able to post just fine in that forum it would appear. I think they made it a customers only forum in terms of being able to post in it (thus the board is called Micro-PA Users).
 
Are you going with the standard dose everyday or are you going to do some other variation that people have been doing?
 
GreenMachineX said:
Awesome. Looking forward to hearing your results.
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Yeah budday! Running it for 120 days through :P Well, maybe not that long, might just run it for 80 days and save the other two bottles for another run... That's if this stuff ends up being effective, if not, I'm sure someone will pick it up if I put it up for sale at a discount.
 
kissdadookie said:
Yeah budday! Running it for 120 days through :P Well, maybe not that long, might just run it for 80 days and save the other two bottles for another run... That's if this stuff ends up being effective, if not, I'm sure someone will pick it up if I put it up for sale at a discount.
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PM me lmao as soon as u make that decision
 
kissdadookie said:
Yeah budday! Running it for 120 days through :P Well, maybe not that long, might just run it for 80 days and save the other two bottles for another run... That's if this stuff ends up being effective, if not, I'm sure someone will pick it up if I put it up for sale at a discount.
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Right on dude!

This isn't the same study as the first one linked right?

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Sorry, I can't figure out how to copy and paste the abstract on my phone. Still new to this smart phone thing.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Right on dude! This isn't the same study as the first one linked right?Invalid Link RemovedSorry, I can't figure out how to copy and paste the abstract on my phone. Still new to this smart phone thing.
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I think that's maybe the only study out on PA's effect on strength training?
 
I looked it over again and I think they are 2 different studies. The one i posted just came out a few months ago i believe. I'll post the abstract when I get to a computer later... Unless someone else beats me to it!
 
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