Phera Plex Plan for 1st Timer---Please Critique
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dagecko
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It's been a litle over 6 weeks since the end of my last cycle. It's a bit early but I've just started my TRN/TST. I think I should be fine since TRN/TST are non methyls...Anyway, I've started at 4mg TST/4mg TRN. I haven't really seen or felt any different since I started. It's been about 3 days now and I'm waiting for it to kick in. I heard TRN kicks in fast so I'm looking forward to that...I've not seen much positive feedback on TST so we'll see how that goes. I'll be watching my bp and am taking my Cycle Support religiously...
One thing I have noticed lately is that I'm always hungry. I eat, then 15-20 minutes later I'm hungry again...weird.
One thing I have noticed lately is that I'm always hungry. I eat, then 15-20 minutes later I'm hungry again...weird.
dagecko
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I would recommend waiting longer between cycles...however I suppose what you have/will be taking will make a difference. Use your best judgement. In my case, I have my reasons for pushing my next cycle sooner than I had planned. I'm hoping all goes well and these compounds will turn out to be effective. Btw, I increased TST to 6mg today. No change yet. I do feel my bp has increased as I feel a very mild headache now but it could also be from lack of sleep last night. I'll see how it goes and reduce dosage if necessary.
I wonder how adding a low dose Phera compound to the mix would fare...I think I'll wait to see how the TST/TRN combo works. I may drop the TST and sub in the Phera or Halo...hehe. I was gonna phase into a Halo/TRN in wks 3-4 but we'll see...
I wonder how adding a low dose Phera compound to the mix would fare...I think I'll wait to see how the TST/TRN combo works. I may drop the TST and sub in the Phera or Halo...hehe. I was gonna phase into a Halo/TRN in wks 3-4 but we'll see...
pistonpump
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so far i think TRn is making me leaner and stronger. I think It is best for a recomp. I will do a week standalone after i stop the phera and then save the rest for a TRN Zol cycle once I feel im ready to drop weight. im up 9lbs
Dragan
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Wow this thread has been informative! I have some phera max and was trying to figure out all the in's and out's. It looks like you guys did well on your cycles. Keep up the great posting too.
My biggest issue before i cycle is figuring out the diet part. I try to eat 40/40/20 but I cant seem to keep the carbs in line with the protein, not to mention eating 4500 cals a day. I think I may just use a weight gainer and eat healthy 5-6 times a day. Unless I invest in a chicken farm I dont see any other way to eat right.
My biggest issue before i cycle is figuring out the diet part. I try to eat 40/40/20 but I cant seem to keep the carbs in line with the protein, not to mention eating 4500 cals a day. I think I may just use a weight gainer and eat healthy 5-6 times a day. Unless I invest in a chicken farm I dont see any other way to eat right.
pistonpump
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Dragan said:
I have the same problem. Carbs are always 50% or more. I have realized although others dont agree with drinking many shakes a day I take about 3-4 shakes a day to keep protien up there with carb intake. Protien is still protien shake or not and its better than less protien. Some of us cant go to the grocery store all the time or even cook. My problem is I have roomates so I have limited fridge space to store meat. I have to go to the store every 3 days or so to get more meat. so shakes arent bad for this problem
dagecko
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pistonpump said:
I seem to have the same problem. Limited fridge space and it always seems like the carbs outweigh everything else. I take about 3 shakes/day to keep the protein up there. Not to mention being at work I can't always have food in my face.
Piston: glad to hear the strength is increasing. I did cardio yesterday and am glad to say that the TRN/TST combo seems to have no negative effect on pumps or reduced cardio endurance. Piston, how long is your cycle and what is the breakdown of compounds per week?
pistonpump
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I started on AUG 1st. 1-3days of 10mg. 4-10 days 20mg. 11-20 days 25mg (1 pheramax 1 pheraplex). days 21-22 30mg. day 23 back down to 25mg because didnt feel any better of 30mg and 25mg was working great. days 24-28 25mg pp 4mg TRN. Today 25mg pp 2mg TRN.
I plan on going til the 31st on 25mg pp 2mg TRN. THen for the first week of September 4mg TRN solo. PCT will be Nolva, Fenugreek, Retain, Z-force, and inverse RXT.
I have been taking all support supps like HB, Coq10, AX's perfect cycle, flax & fish oils, B5, and Multi.
I really debated on cycling anything for a while because I really felt like my nat test was at an all time high (im 22). I just have alot of supps on hand and i want to try them so I know what is good for me to buy again and what isnt. The sides have been better than i thought as i have really none to complain about. I dont know why people knock on it and shy away from it. I think it is actually a pretty decent compound. I didnt feel anything negative with my balls til around day 15 or so...then my libido started to go down a bit but I did M1T in the past and this doenst even come close to the shutdown that M1T caused. I dont even think i am shutdown yet, just suppressed. I dont see PCT as being a problem. I just dont want to lose gains but im sure if i keep my diet the same i will keep 90% of it. honestly I could careless if i lost size i just really want to keep my strength gains! well i hope this was informative and not too confusing. (im tired) any questions for me just ask.
I plan on going til the 31st on 25mg pp 2mg TRN. THen for the first week of September 4mg TRN solo. PCT will be Nolva, Fenugreek, Retain, Z-force, and inverse RXT.
I have been taking all support supps like HB, Coq10, AX's perfect cycle, flax & fish oils, B5, and Multi.
I really debated on cycling anything for a while because I really felt like my nat test was at an all time high (im 22). I just have alot of supps on hand and i want to try them so I know what is good for me to buy again and what isnt. The sides have been better than i thought as i have really none to complain about. I dont know why people knock on it and shy away from it. I think it is actually a pretty decent compound. I didnt feel anything negative with my balls til around day 15 or so...then my libido started to go down a bit but I did M1T in the past and this doenst even come close to the shutdown that M1T caused. I dont even think i am shutdown yet, just suppressed. I dont see PCT as being a problem. I just dont want to lose gains but im sure if i keep my diet the same i will keep 90% of it. honestly I could careless if i lost size i just really want to keep my strength gains! well i hope this was informative and not too confusing. (im tired) any questions for me just ask.
dagecko
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Looks good Piston...I'm doing a cycle first suggested by Trauma1 but I modified it a bit:
WK1: M-TST 4mg/M-TRN 2mg
WK2: M-TST 6mg/M-TRN 4mg
WK3: M-TST 6mg/M-TRN 4-6mg/HALO 25mg (optional)
WK4: M-TST 6-8mg/HALO 50mg
WK5: M-TST 6-8mg/HALO 50mg
WK6: M-TST 6-8mg/HALO 75mg
On a side note, I've already bumped the TST and TRN to wk2 dosages. I'm toying with throwing a low dose of Phera in the mix of the 2nd and 3rd weeks. Maybe 10mg PP and reduce the TRN back down to 2mg. Actually I think I will add PP to wks 2-3. So it'll look like this:
WK1: M-TST 6mg/M-TRN 4mg
WK2: M-TST 6mg/M-TRN 4mg/PP 10mg
WK3: M-TST 6mg/M-TRN 4mg/PP 10mg
WK4: M-TST 6-8mg/HALO 50mg
WK5: M-TST 6-8mg/HALO 50mg
WK6: M-TST 6-8mg/HALO 75mg
WK1: M-TST 4mg/M-TRN 2mg
WK2: M-TST 6mg/M-TRN 4mg
WK3: M-TST 6mg/M-TRN 4-6mg/HALO 25mg (optional)
WK4: M-TST 6-8mg/HALO 50mg
WK5: M-TST 6-8mg/HALO 50mg
WK6: M-TST 6-8mg/HALO 75mg
On a side note, I've already bumped the TST and TRN to wk2 dosages. I'm toying with throwing a low dose of Phera in the mix of the 2nd and 3rd weeks. Maybe 10mg PP and reduce the TRN back down to 2mg. Actually I think I will add PP to wks 2-3. So it'll look like this:
WK1: M-TST 6mg/M-TRN 4mg
WK2: M-TST 6mg/M-TRN 4mg/PP 10mg
WK3: M-TST 6mg/M-TRN 4mg/PP 10mg
WK4: M-TST 6-8mg/HALO 50mg
WK5: M-TST 6-8mg/HALO 50mg
WK6: M-TST 6-8mg/HALO 75mg
pistonpump
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I never really looked in to TST but the rest looks good. at 10mg pp you might just have an all day pump. about day 15 was my best point in the cycle. Now im sure the effects are starting to no be so profound. The strength is really the only thing that I can say is still on the rise.
Smallone
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Dragan said:
Dragan - I would suggest going to and signing up at Fitday.com. It's a GREAT way to track all of the foods you're eating in a day and then make adjustments as necessary. It was crucial to my cycle success. Use the 'custom' option for all of your bars and powders. It will make things a LOT easier and will help you get your diet right. It only took me about 2-3 days of using fitday to figure out what changes I needed to make in my diet to get the right balance of pro/carbs/fats. I found for my body that 45/40/15 worked really well and wasn't all that hard to achieve. I weigh about 200lbs and took in 3500-3800 a day for my cycle and made GREAT gains with the PP.
rocknroll
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Dragan said:
Glad you have found it helpful.
I am now getting ready to start my second PP cycle in a month or two. I will be going for a bulking cycle between Thanksgiving and New Years. Good time to chow and pack on the calories. My PCT will change a bit this time as I plan on taking Restore along with the Nolva. There are other changes I will be making too. I'm researching and gearing up. If anyone has tried or heard anything other than positive reviews regarding Restore, let's hear it.
If poppydog is out there...When are you thinking of running round 2 of PP?
poppydogg
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hey rock...good to hear all is good over there. Yes i have been itchin to start another round of PP. I am thinkin of starting in nov. I havent lost alot of weight but my definition/hardness has declined for sure. Overall im ok but while on the PP things were definitely better. Moods changed towards workouts as i really was so focused in the summer when "on" and now its like just a so so mood goto the gym. All my levels are fine and the only thing that worried me when doin the 1st cycle was the loss of libido. But after about a week on pct things gradually came right back to norm. I guess its wise to do 2 weeks of supporting supps before PP this time. Last time i did about a week or so. I havemt heard of any new good stuff but ill look into getting A I 'S support supps because it comes all in one instead of poppin pills all day. Any ideas? Thnks
pistonpump
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poppydogg said:
def get AI cycle support from nutraplanet i have yet to try it but it will be in my next cycle for sure. Thats alot of pills that i dont wanna have to worry about again. The only thing i have a problem with phera on my first phera cycle was the loss of libido post cycle. On cycle i was getting hardons all day. Im not sure if it was phera and a combination of Rebound XT that took a hit on my libido but after 2 weeks or so after PCT its back. I was pretty worried because for over a month after the cycle i still had no libido.
poppydogg
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i hear ya piston. My libido was like zero afetr about 3 weeks on PP. But after a lil while on pct i was back to norm. On PP first cycle i started out at 10 mgs then bumped to 20. You think its wise to start at 20? I really am leary about doing 30mgs as last time i did max at 20mgs. I know some people got some bad sides at 30 so im hesitant. My weight is around 235 so i dont wanna starve it either. I felt like i did fine last round on 20 max but maybe im better on 30. Help is appreciated. Thanks all !!
pistonpump
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i think you might have to go to 30 as you have ran it before. I started at 10 for about 3-4 days then 15 then 20 then 25 then 30 but i went back to 25 as 30 didnt seem to give better gains. I had PheraMax and Phera plex so i could dose at those mgs. I was 198 when i started and got up to 206 after. Im now about 208 and i really didnt see that bad of a drop off afterwards.poppydogg said:i hear ya piston. My libido was like zero afetr about 3 weeks on PP. But after a lil while on post cycle therapy i was back to norm. On PP first cycle i started out at 10 mgs then bumped to 20. You think its wise to start at 20? I really am leary about doing 30mgs as last time i did max at 20mgs. I know some people got some bad sides at 30 so im hesitant. My weight is around 235 so i dont wanna starve it either. I felt like i did fine last round on 20 max but maybe im better on 30. Help is appreciated. Thanks all !!
Just curious for libido purposes how was your PCT. sorry if you posted it earlier in the thread. I wanna know if RXT had something to do with my libido loss. Next time im gonna try Maca because Fenugreek wasnt that great and made me smell like it when i sweated sometimes.............................................
poppydogg
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Im thinking of doind 20 to start then. Maybe ill do 20/20/30/30 this time. If i se some sides id then just continue the 20 for 4 weeks.
I did retain and ai's post cycle therapy with nolva on hand. Libido came back after about 1 week and a half on post cycle therapy. It was slow but it came back fine. But around week 3 "on" i was like 'DONE" as far as any libido. Im guessin this was normal. This time i am thnkin of using fenugreek or maca too.
I did retain and ai's post cycle therapy with nolva on hand. Libido came back after about 1 week and a half on post cycle therapy. It was slow but it came back fine. But around week 3 "on" i was like 'DONE" as far as any libido. Im guessin this was normal. This time i am thnkin of using fenugreek or maca too.
pistonpump
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COQ10 with hawthorne berry kept mine good. You can buy a NOW brand but actually just go with AI's Cycle support. If that doesnt keep bp somewhat normal then you have to look for something else.poppydogg said:
pistonpump
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so did you end up using the nolva or just AX PCT and Retain?poppydogg said:
Smallone
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poppydogg said:
I'm 4 days into my second go around of PP and Fini stack. I kept a pretty detailed log the first time around and I'm right on track from that. Had a headache the first day (same as last time) and appear to be getting fat without putting on any muscle during the first week. Normal for me. I'm gaining weight from the extra food I'm eating and all the water I'm drinking makes me a little bloated. These are good things 'cause I KNOW what's coming in about 2 weeks or so!!! :woohoo:
rocknroll
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I will be starting my 2nd PP at Thanksgiving and I discovered that I still have quite the stash of support supps (COQ, Fish Oil, Milk Thistle) and I was going to just use Cycle Support but now I will try to get my other support supps "piece by piece" and use up what I ahve. It's just a pain to keep track of all the pills.poppydogg said:
Something I'm not sure about is what I wll PCT with. I have Nolva on-hand and used last time as a preventative and used Retain, Fenu, and DHEA. All went very well but now I have some Alpha Drive and might run that AND Retain (plus the Nolva, Fenu, and DHEA) for PCT. Not sure. I'm worried that the Alpha, while it DOES have all angles technically covered, I worry about it being insufficient. i.e. a "Jack-of-all-trades, master of none."
Also, I'm still thinking about my dosing. There was a log by someone who mentioned a "sweet spot" sort of formula in terms of dosing that was based on X amount of PP per lb. of bodyweight...I'm going to search for that. FWIW, last time I ran 10-20-20-20 (I think, will have to look back earlier in this thread...) and it went VERY well but I might increase a bit this time.
pistonpump
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IMO running the 10mg the whole first week is a waste of time. Just run 10mg for maybe 3-4 days...
Alpha Drive seems like it would be good for PCT. Fenu i will not use again, didnt really work for me not to mention sometimes it made me smell like a fenugreek haha. I have Maca this time and will use that with Powerfull, Nolva, and try some LeanXtreme in place of Retain.
Alpha Drive seems like it would be good for PCT. Fenu i will not use again, didnt really work for me not to mention sometimes it made me smell like a fenugreek haha. I have Maca this time and will use that with Powerfull, Nolva, and try some LeanXtreme in place of Retain.
poppydogg
Member
I have plenty of support supps left also rock. Im thinking of juust adding a few more and then pretty much going with the same bottles like last time. Lotta pills but oh well. I am thinking of loading for about 1 week before. Pretty much like last time. You guys think this is enough ..1 week loading up...im thinking its ok. Thanks
pistonpump
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thats what i did. one week i feel is enough, but thats me.poppydogg said:
pistonpump
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read the post you just quoted....
pistonpump
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Oh no you dont I dont see why you would need to but i guess some people rather be safe than sorry. You want you body in tip top shape before you enter a cycle so perhaps that is why.
dagecko
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pistonpump said:
I'm 3 weeks into my pct right now and am using Torem, Restore, Alpha Drive, and some Retain.
It's a bit of an overkill on the cortisol inhibiters with the Retain but I wasn't sure if there was enough between the Restore and Alpha Drive. The first couple of weeks taking them, I really broke out with backne...pretty gross. But, after 3 weeks I feel great and am bridging into a PowerFULL, Cissus stack.
pistonpump
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well thats what i think.poppydogg said:
rocknroll
Member
FWIW...I don't know about Methyl Plex but I did a PP cycle and did the following preload for 3 weeks but I will probably do 2 weeks next time. Really, I think it was the RYR or Hawthorne that needs a few weeks to take effect. I THINK...Regardless, this is what I will do again 2 weeks prior to cycle. Some take Celery Seed extract, I didn't first time around and won't this time either.Sharia said:
Hawthorn 1500 mg/ed (Cheap)
RYR=1200mg/ed (Cheap)
Co-Q10=100mg/ed (Expensive...ouch!)
Milk Thistle 1000mg/ed (CAREFUL with the quality)
Fish Oil 10-14 g/ed, ALA (600mg/ed) (Cheap and always good for you)
Hope this helps!
dagecko
Registered User
Why not just use Anabolic Innovations Cycle Support? That would take care of almost everything in your support supp list. I think the only thing its missing is the Saw Palmetto. Much easier to take and keep track of. Unless you enjoy spending more money and taking 10 gazillion pills...
pistonpump
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yes, i have been using cycle support for my superdrol cycle right now and i must say it relieves the burden of remembering to take pills etc... Very convienent i must say.dagecko said: