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PH cycle after Asteroid Stack??!!

wolfe14

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I am curently in week 2 of my asteroid stack and so far decent results..

I am trying to put on muscle mass, increase strength while cutting the fat..I WANT to see my abs!

Anyway i was wondering how long i should wait after doing 12 weeks on the asteroid stack before starting my FIRST PH cycle??

And also could someone shed some light on what would be the BEST PH for a begginer to take for me to get the results i just mentioned? I am acne proned and DO NOT want to get depressed so keep that in mind when recommending a PH to me.

Also do I need a PCT when coming off the asteroid stack?

Thanks in advance
 
Epi or havoc for a starter stack; that will harden you up. you could also look into tren or hdrol as well for this but they have a little higher sides.

from what i compiled the asteroid stack is natural but its still 12 weeks of being on three seperate supplements. id wait atleast 4-6 weeks before beggining your prohormone cycle.
 
thanks dude...by epi do you mean epistane? Also which one would be best for putting on hard muscle mass while helping cut up the abs? I know diet is still key.

what sides are to be expected from these?
 
I like recomp cycles but I think your first cycle should be a bulk, it's more fun. Recomping is as hard as it gets, you have to lift heavy and eat enough to make strength gains, but eat clean enough and do enough cardio to lose fat simultaneously. Flat out requires more work than a bulk or a cut.
 
UnrealMachine said:
I like recomp cycles but I think your first cycle should be a bulk, it's more fun. Recomping is as hard as it gets, you have to lift heavy and eat enough to make strength gains, but eat clean enough and do enough cardio to lose fat simultaneously. Flat out requires more work than a bulk or a cut.
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sorry but im new to all the terminolgy. could you define recomp?? and my only concern with bulking is putting on blubber to my belly and love handles..is that a natural effect while bulking?
 
A recomp is a recomposition, where you attempt to maintain your bodyweight but simultaneously lose bodyfat and gain muscle. In a recomp you'd stay about the same weight, but may gain 5 pounds of muscle and lose 5 pounds of fat. This is what you said you want to do, gain weight/strength while simultaneously cutting fat off.

Steroids won't just cut the fat off. However they will let you increase your cardio greatly without much risk of catabolism. So if you want to cut the fat while gaining muscle, you'll need to lift heavy AND do lots of cardio. Go to the gym 7 days a week, that's the only way, IMO.

I usually get fat when I bulk. It's all genetics. I'm more endo/mesomorph.
 
thanks for that education...so do you think a cycle of havoc would help me accomplish that? If so how would you cycle it or dose it and what should i stack with it? PCT etc...??
 
TravisG said:
Epi or havoc for a starter stack; that will harden you up. you could also look into tren or hdrol as well for this but they have a little higher sides.

from what i compiled the asteroid stack is natural but its still 12 weeks of being on three seperate supplements. id wait atleast 4-6 weeks before beggining your prohormone cycle.
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since i am only in week 2 of the asteroid stack what if i stopped it now and started the havoc now for a 6 weeker and then used the asteroid as a pct?? ive heard ppl talk about that..

what is your opinion? and if so, exactly how would you go about stacking and dosing all this?
 
DO NOT USE THE ASTEROID AS A PCT.

if you stop the asteroid now and start a ph that is fine. like unreal said. run a bulk. your abs might still show if you have a clean diet. id run tren as a first cycle if it was up to me. its a strong first cycle but youll like the results. do not run asteroid as a pct tho. youll need nolva. and thats not nolvadex. its novedex.

id run it for four weeks at 90mg since its your first cycle. and than run four weeks of tamoxifen citrate for a PCT. simple first cycle, yet real effective.
 
TravisG said:
DO NOT USE THE ASTEROID AS A PCT.

if you stop the asteroid now and start a ph that is fine. like unreal said. run a bulk. your abs might still show if you have a clean diet. id run tren as a first cycle if it was up to me. its a strong first cycle but youll like the results. do not run asteroid as a pct tho. youll need nolva. and thats not nolvadex. its novedex.

id run it for four weeks at 90mg since its your first cycle. and than run four weeks of tamoxifen citrate for a PCT. simple first cycle, yet real effective.
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who is tren made by? is that a PH or are you reffering to the steroid?
 
wolfe14 said:
who is tren made by? is that a PH or are you reffering to the steroid?
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:paranoid:

Tren is a compound made by many companies. A PH, Just groogle it. Real tren, is ran for longer than 4 weeks, and is a whole different beast.

Like said, make sure you have a real SERM, not the rip off named junk.
 
lol, bro, no sources!!

like zero V said. google it and you will find a TON of tren info!!

and im refering to the ph tren. not the steroid trenbolone.
 
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