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PES Norcodrene ??

HIT4ME said:
I am no doctor and I am not advising anyone to use ephedrine unless they choose to do so on their own.

Having made that disclaimer, I remember having a nurse friend of mine tell me that if I used ephedrine I would blow my heart out (about 15 years ago). I did some research and found much of what Mixelflick is saying is true. And as far as dosage/safety.....the effective dose is suggested to be 20-50 mg up to 3 times/day. There are cases of attempted suicides where people swallowed entire bottles of ephedrine pills and survived...that's about 10-15X the effective dose. They would have had more success killing themselves with aspirin or acetaminophen probably.

Pulling E from the market was a huge mistake IMO. Norcodrene is the first product I can say legitimately closes the gap that was left.
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In total agreement here, but it had nothing to do with safety. The fat loss market is potentially HUGE for big pharma, and E/C was doing a better job than anything they've come up with before or since, at pennies on the dollar. SIDE NOTES: The Rand study the gov't commissioned to "study" ephedrine included a case report of a death they attributed to ephedrine. The kicker? This person as DECAPITATED in an auto accident later in the day, but had some in their system.

In other news, where they couldn't ban it outright they banned it through the back door: Insurance. Since I worked there for 20 years, I know how it works. You drum up enough negative press on something and it's seen as "risky", especially to stuffy insurance folk. So you want to carry ephedrine in your store, or include it in your product? OK, but the insurance you'll have to carry will nearly bankrupt you.

So, they pass it along to us the consumer. The die-hards who know the truth will still buy it, but they've effectively shrunken the market to 1/1000th of what it once was..
 
So I started my AT2, Norcodrene, Forskolin 95 stack yesterday and dosed 2x AT2 AM, 50mg forsk folowed by a 7 hr fast, then dosed 2x Norco and 50mg forsk preWO. Thinking of doing 1 AT2, 1 Norco AM/PM on non lift days because peak amentoflavone blood concentration won't matter as much. Or is AT2 the better fat burner while fasted?
 
This might be a dumb question. I do fasted cardio, by preference, 2 times a week. I usually take 10g of amino acids pre workout. I know the label says to take 30-45 minutes prior to breakfast, does that include aminos?
 
AntM1564 said:
This might be a dumb question. I do fasted cardio, by preference, 2 times a week. I usually take 10g of amino acids pre workout. I know the label says to take 30-45 minutes prior to breakfast, does that include aminos?
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You would be good dosing in the same vicinity. The benefits pre-workout are immense IMO.

What are the aminos by the way?
 
saggy321 said:
What time did you dose the Norco? No problems with sleep?
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Nope, no problems. Took the 2x norco along with 1 cup coffee(6oz water - 2 tbsp grounds) at 7:30pm. Was in bed by 12:30 and asleep shortly after. I'm accustomed to 4-7 cups of coffee on workout days and kept it to 3 yesterday, 2 AM, 1 pre workout.
 
kdubson14 said:
Nope, no problems. Took the 2x norco along with 1 cup coffee(6oz water - 2 tbsp grounds) at 7:30pm. Was in bed by 12:30 and asleep shortly after. I'm accustomed to 4-7 cups of coffee on workout days and kept it to 3 yesterday, 2 AM, 1 pre workout.
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Interesting. I struggled at bit initially. I dont think it was the caffeine but the amentoflavone.
 
saggy321 said:
Interesting. I struggled at bit initially. I dont think it was the caffeine but the amentoflavone.
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So far the thermo effect of Norco is noticeably much stronger than that of AT2. A lot stronger. The mood boosting and energy aspects seem to be real too. I'll be dosing Norco closer to bedtime sometime this week and I'll see how it goes.
 
kdubson14 said:
So I started my AT2, Norcodrene, Forskolin 95 stack yesterday and dosed 2x AT2 AM, 50mg forsk folowed by a 7 hr fast, then dosed 2x Norco and 50mg forsk preWO. Thinking of doing 1 AT2, 1 Norco AM/PM on non lift days because peak amentoflavone blood concentration won't matter as much. Or is AT2 the better fat burner while fasted?
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Norco is better off being used fasted than AT2.

AntM1564 said:
This might be a dumb question. I do fasted cardio, by preference, 2 times a week. I usually take 10g of amino acids pre workout. I know the label says to take 30-45 minutes prior to breakfast, does that include aminos?
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Nah, like haiz said, you're good to go!

kdubson14 said:
So far the thermo effect of Norco is noticeably much stronger than that of AT2. A lot stronger. The mood boosting and energy aspects seem to be real too. I'll be dosing Norco closer to bedtime sometime this week and I'll see how it goes.
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Just be careful about that so you don't impair your sleep by taking norco too close to bed.
 
kdubson14 said:
So far the thermo effect of Norco is noticeably much stronger than that of AT2. A lot stronger. The mood boosting and energy aspects seem to be real too. I'll be dosing Norco closer to bedtime sometime this week and I'll see how it goes.
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Yeah I noticed that. I love the unobtrusive energy. It was just a bit wierd when trying to sleep. Brain just didnt feel tired.
 
T-Bone said:
Norco is awesome. I just wish the mood effects stayed. I want more of the ingredient that puts me in a great mood. I'd take it just for that. Even after 4 weeks off I don't get the mood effects anymore.
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AmentoMax :)
 
Is it advisable to stack alphamine and norcodrene? If so what is the recommended dosage of these two? For what i know i couldnt take max dosage of each products, therefore combination of each products will be possible. To pes reps, what was ur suggestion? A sidenote i can handle 400mg caffeine before with superpump 3.0 then no more coffe for me or any beverage that contain caffeine.
 
paula said:
Is it advisable to stack alphamine and norcodrene? If so what is the recommended dosage of these two? For what i know i couldnt take max dosage of each products, therefore combination of each products will be possible. To pes reps, what was ur suggestion? A sidenote i can handle 400mg caffeine before with superpump 3.0 then no more coffe for me or any beverage that contain caffeine.
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1 cap + 1 scoop in the morning and then later in the day or

2 caps Norco in the morning / 2 scoops Alphamine later or the other way around
 
paula said:
Is it advisable to stack alphamine and norcodrene? If so what is the recommended dosage of these two? For what i know i couldnt take max dosage of each products, therefore combination of each products will be possible. To pes reps, what was ur suggestion? A sidenote i can handle 400mg caffeine before with superpump 3.0 then no more coffe for me or any beverage that contain caffeine.
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Have you tried either one by itself? kbayne's suggestion of 1 of each twice a day or two of one in the morning and two of the other later is a great start.
 
Synapsin said:
Norco is better off being used fasted than AT2. Just be careful about that so you don't impair your sleep by taking norco too close to bed.
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So you would suggest dosing 2x Norco PM preWO then 2x Norco the next morning while moving the 2x AT2 to the afternoon on non-workout days?

Also, had 1x Norco at 6:45PM, fell asleep at 8pm. Long day at the hospital haha
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Have you tried either one by itself? kbayne's suggestion of 1 of each twice a day or two of one in the morning and two of the other later is a great start.
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Nope, it would be my first tym taking it alphamine and norco, ive been heard good review about these two products. So i already pulled the trigger :) currently im taking og AB with amentomax for my bulking season. Cutting season im planing those two products alpamine and nocro, since im not using any preworkout during cutting season coz of enough stim i get frm alpa/nocro.
 
paula said:
Nope, it would be my first tym taking it alphamine and norco, ive been heard good review about these two products. So i already pulled the trigger :) currently im taking og AB with amentomax for my bulking season. Cutting season im planing those two products alpamine and nocro, since im not using any preworkout during cutting season coz of enough stim i get frm alpa/nocro.
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Our general rule;
- Assess your tolerance of both prior to stacking.
- If using maximum recommended dosage, three servings maximum.
- This could be 2 x Alphamine and 1 x Norcodrene later in the day, 2 x Norcodrene and 1 x Alphamine later in the day or 1 x Alphamine with 1 x Norcodrene and then 1 serving of either later in the day.
 
paula said:
Nope, it would be my first tym taking it alphamine and norco, ive been heard good review about these two products. So i already pulled the trigger :) currently im taking og AB with amentomax for my bulking season. Cutting season im planing those two products alpamine and nocro, since im not using any preworkout during cutting season coz of enough stim i get frm alpa/nocro.
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Wasn't sure if you had ran either solo (should have asked). I would scratch my recommendation and pick one over the other to run solo first.
 
kbayne said:
Wasn't sure if you had ran either solo (should have asked). I would scratch my recommendation and pick one over the other to run solo first.
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Nope never try both of them, ok i got your point. Il run it solo first. But i dont wanna run solo. I love to stack :) but thank you for your recomendstion, it means a lot to me.
 
bdcc said:
Our general rule;
- Assess your tolerance of both prior to stacking.
- If using maximum recommended dosage, three servings maximum.
- This could be 2 x Alphamine and 1 x Norcodrene later in the day, 2 x Norcodrene and 1 x Alphamine later in the day or 1 x Alphamine with 1 x Norcodrene and then 1 serving of either later in the day.
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Ok copy..... thank you sir.
 
kdubson14 said:
So you would suggest dosing 2x Norco PM preWO then 2x Norco the next morning while moving the 2x AT2 to the afternoon on non-workout days?

Also, had 1x Norco at 6:45PM, fell asleep at 8pm. Long day at the hospital haha
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I wouldn't take norco PM unless you are able to still sleep. Otherwise that seems fine.
 
LiveToLift said:
I usually try to leave at least a 6 hour gap between last dose and sleep.
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Same here. Even though I don't feel wired, falling asleep can be an issue when dosing within a few hours of bed.
 
breezy11 said:
Same here. Even though I don't feel wired, falling asleep can be an issue when dosing within a few hours of bed.
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Exactly. Doesn't so much disrupt my sleep as much as it keeps my mind active. I love that part of both alphamine and Norco. Helps me adapt to and conquer stressful situations especially at a high stress work position.
 
LiveToLift said:
Exactly. Doesn't so much disrupt my sleep as much as it keeps my mind active. I love that part of both alphamine and Norco. Helps me adapt to and conquer stressful situations especially at a high stress work position.
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Definitely. They both come up big for me, especially late in the day. Work would've been a disaster towards the end of my last prep without the help of Norcodrene.
 
I love the fact that into second week and I no longer feel the stim but my mind is alert, I have no lethargy and my appetite is surpressed.

Im sure I read somewhere that nomilean can take a while to kick-in so over the coming days I expect the rate of fat loss to increase.
 
saggy321 said:
I love the fact that into second week and I no longer feel the stim but my mind is alert, I have no lethargy and my appetite is surpressed. Im sure I read somewhere that nomilean can take a while to kick-in so over the coming days I expect the rate of fat loss to increase.
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That is exactly how I feel on the product as well saggy. The mental alertness and enhancement far outlasts the energy boost.
 
So finally lipomorph has arrived. My stack at the moment is:
EU Norco
F95 (75mg)
TTA (1g)
Lipomorph

Thoughts?
 
Austin118 said:
That's pretty much the stack I'm on, instead of F95 I'm using Anabeta elite for recomping as well! Solid stack ?
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ABE is in my opinion the recomp/lean bulk king of supplements. Very versatile product.
 
LiveToLift said:
ABE is in my opinion the recomp/lean bulk king of supplements. Very versatile product.
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Agreed. Whether it's a cut, recomp, or bulk, ABE has its place. I currently have some on the way to kick off a lean bulk of my own.
 
How do you guys deal with the voracious appetite increase from ABE while on a cut?
NorCo doesn't curb my appetite all that much but i also burn a **** load of calories.
 
ikeNball said:
How do you guys deal with the voracious appetite increase from ABE while on a cut?
NorCo doesn't curb my appetite all that much but i also burn a **** load of calories.
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Self control :D. A lot of users experience a big increase in appetite with ABE; however, that's not the case for everyone. Mine picks up sporadically, but not enough that I can't control myself from breaking my diet. Norcodrene and Alphamine certainly help me out in that situation as well.
 
ikeNball said:
How do you guys deal with the voracious appetite increase from ABE while on a cut?
NorCo doesn't curb my appetite all that much but i also burn a **** load of calories.
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That's one other beauty of AnaBeta Elite. Even if calories are a bit higher then your usual caloric deficit, the body comp effects still are going to take place. By this I mean it allows you to eat more but stay lean while keeping fat gain to a minimum :D.

No appetite suppression from Norcodrene? Have you tried Alphamine?
 
saggy321 said:
Cool. So how long you been on it and how you liking it?
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I've only just started it....but I'm a take down off the lipomorph and use diesel test just cause I always get good results from it ( plus I always take a t booster when cutting just to keep libido iuo)
 
breezy11 said:
Self control :D. A lot of users experience a big increase in appetite with ABE; however, that's not the case for everyone. Mine picks up sporadically, but not enough that I can't control myself from breaking my diet. Norcodrene and Alphamine certainly help me out in that situation as well.
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there's no way i can cut on it. old one was fine. 2 caps i can manage, but if your hitting macros to the digits + on lower fats and doing cardio 5x a week it makes it almost impossible to not go over macros LOL, like one time i had hit my macros for the day, had used ABE pre workout 4 caps and ate my post meal. 2 hours later the hunger was almost unbearable, and had another 6-7 hour fast left before bed, go off start eating some cereal. nek minit half box is gone haha. oooops but if you can manage the hunger it works amazing for fat loss alongside Norcodrene and Burn24.
 
Auslifter said:
there's no way i can cut on it. old one was fine. 2 caps i can manage, but if your hitting macros to the digits + on lower fats and doing cardio 5x a week it makes it almost impossible to not go over macros LOL, like one time i had hit my macros for the day, had used ABE pre workout 4 caps and ate my post meal. 2 hours later the hunger was almost unbearable, and had another 6-7 hour fast left before bed, go off start eating some cereal. nek minit half box is gone haha. oooops but if you can manage the hunger it works amazing for fat loss alongside Norcodrene and Burn24.
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Lol it happens to the best of us. When it comes to cutting, I have the advantage of high maintenance calories, so I could see a much lower intake being a challenge.
 
kbayne said:
In short: Alphamine = quicker energy/focus burst and muscle retention via HICA Norcodrene = more overall fat loss and longer lasting appetite suppression as well as mood and performance benefits.
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Thanks

What if am looking specifically for mood for sporadic usage (like a feel good feeling) which would you recommend? Also 1 cap/scoop be effective in THAT purpose?

Thanks again
 
im just curious but how do you guys feel after youre done cycling one of these fat burners is there that withdrawal effect like you get when stopping prewrokouts?
 
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