PES Norcodrene ??

Adipokinetix and Lipokinetix were both great products.

Lipokinetix, IMO, is the only fat burner I've ever used that just blew my mind. It was the first fat burner I know of to use diiodothyronine but it was the sodium usniate that got all the attention. Too bad it turned out to be liver toxic and people had issues with it. You could lose 10-20 pounds in a month on this stuff and not even try.

Adipokinetix was the same formula without those two compounds. It had 1R, 2S Norephedrine (20 mg), 100 mg of caffeine and 3 mg of Yohimbine per pill. The 1R, 2S Norephedrine kills my appetite to the point where I can't even look at food. I literally feel sick eating. Unfortunately, the yohimbine sides are there for me, so I have to deal with that.....

The Norco was more pleasant appetite suppression. You would take 2, and then just not think about eating for 4-6 hours or so. And you never feel sick of food on it, you just don't feel like eating....but you could. To be honest, if I just went by memory, I would say the Norco was as good an appetite suppressant. But since I found some bottles and tried it again, it's not. 1R, 2S takes the cake. But that is the compound that people have been chasing ever since all the ephedrine stuff was banned. I don't think anything is quite the same, but Norco is an impressive replacement in its own right.
 
HIT4ME said:
Adipokinetix and Lipokinetix were both great products.

Lipokinetix, IMO, is the only fat burner I've ever used that just blew my mind. It was the first fat burner I know of to use diiodothyronine but it was the sodium usniate that got all the attention. Too bad it turned out to be liver toxic and people had issues with it. You could lose 10-20 pounds in a month on this stuff and not even try.

Adipokinetix was the same formula without those two compounds. It had 1R, 2S Norephedrine (20 mg), 100 mg of caffeine and 3 mg of Yohimbine per pill. The 1R, 2S Norephedrine kills my appetite to the point where I can't even look at food. I literally feel sick eating. Unfortunately, the yohimbine sides are there for me, so I have to deal with that.....

The Norco was more pleasant appetite suppression. You would take 2, and then just not think about eating for 4-6 hours or so. And you never feel sick of food on it, you just don't feel like eating....but you could. To be honest, if I just went by memory, I would say the Norco was as good an appetite suppressant. But since I found some bottles and tried it again, it's not. 1R, 2S takes the cake. But that is the compound that people have been chasing ever since all the ephedrine stuff was banned. I don't think anything is quite the same, but Norco is an impressive replacement in its own right.
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This is a really concise summary of Norcodrene's appetite suppressing effects.

For me, I would take it in the morning and instead of getting hungry for breakfast within 30-60 minutes I found I went for two hours and had to make a conscious decision to eat breakfast.
 
Gave my wife 1 norco and alphamine, She had tea later on in fhe day and couldnt sleep til 5:30 am. Maybe she needs to build up some tolerance first.
 
Yeah she just tried one pill since we got a sample from pes. Wanted more appetite suppression.
 
bdcc said:
This is a really concise summary of Norcodrene's appetite suppressing effects.

For me, I would take it in the morning and instead of getting hungry for breakfast within 30-60 minutes I found I went for two hours and had to make a conscious decision to eat breakfast.
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This. I could eat like a my stomach was a black hole (using ABE), but Norco I did 1 in the morning w 1 Alphamine, then 1 another 5 hours later. went 5-7 hours without eating, after my final meal before bed to not go over macros, but oddly enough i noticed i was mirin food online for quite a bit lol it was a sunday/day off, its perfect if you use Armitstane (old) erase or new erase pro and lower your estrogen you won't even have to worry about overfeeding or messing up you macros, i found myself being productive online or doing other things with my time instead of thinking about eating all day.
 
Auslifter said:
This. I could eat like a my stomach was a black hole (using ABE), but Norco I did 1 in the morning w 1 Alphamine, then 1 another 5 hours later. went 5-7 hours without eating, after my final meal before bed to not go over macros, but oddly enough i noticed i was mirin food online for quite a bit lol it was a sunday/day off, its perfect if you use Armitstane (old) erase or new erase pro and lower your estrogen you won't even have to worry about overfeeding or messing up you macros, i found myself being productive online or doing other things with my time instead of thinking about eating all day.
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The ole black hole stomach from ABE! A bulkers best friend for sure! Norco is so damn good at killing hunger and cravings so I feel ya there too.
 
Auslifter said:
This. I could eat like a my stomach was a black hole (using ABE), but Norco I did 1 in the morning w 1 Alphamine, then 1 another 5 hours later. went 5-7 hours without eating, after my final meal before bed to not go over macros, but oddly enough i noticed i was mirin food online for quite a bit lol it was a sunday/day off, its perfect if you use Armitstane (old) erase or new erase pro and lower your estrogen you won't even have to worry about overfeeding or messing up you macros, i found myself being productive online or doing other things with my time instead of thinking about eating all day.
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My appetite was huge when I first tried Norcodrene as I was in quite deep into my photo shoot diet. I was using a lot of high volume, low calorie foods and eating was a relatively constant thought.

Norcodrene was the only thing that dented it. It was stronger than the EC stack in terms of appetite suppression.

This is why I tend to opt for it when dieting. I love Alphamine but in the deep stages of a diet, anything that suppresses appetite is welcomed with open arms lol.
 
I have a sample on the way, and have high hopes...

Coming from a 20 year history of ephedrine + caffeine. Have used all of the following, and likely forgetting a few LOL:

* Original Stimulant X
* Slim Xtreme
* OG Craze
* DMAA
* Adrafinil
* Modafinil
* Virtually every "ephedrine replacement" that's come down the pike.

With respect to ephedra (the herb), there's a lot of trickery going on in the market. It seems companies are forgoing using ephedra sinica (which contain the alkaloids responsible for the stimulant effects), and instead using Ephedra Nevadensis. EN has NO active ephedra alkaloids in it. These companies are trying to scam consumers, hoping they won't notice by either jacking up the caffeine and/or adding Yohimbe. The insurance necessary for outfits that sell real ephedrine, is exceedingly expensive. Sad state of affairs..

Which is why I'm so excited for this. That and I like PES's innovative approach...
 
Mixelflick said:
I have a sample on the way, and have high hopes...

Coming from a 20 year history of ephedrine + caffeine. Have all of the following, and likely forgetting a few LOL:

* Original Stimulant X
* Slim Xtreme
* OG Craze
* DMAA
* Virtually every "ephedrine replacement" that's come down the pike.

With respect to ephedra (the herb), there's a lot of trickery going on in the market. It seems companies are forgoing using ephedra sinica (which contain the alkaloids responsible for the stimulant effects), and instead using Ephedra Nevadensis. EN has NO active ephedra alkaloids in it. These companies are trying to scam consumers, hoping they won't notice by either jacking up the caffeine and/or adding Yohimbe. The insurance necessary for outfits that sell real ephedrine, is exceedingly expensive. Sad state of affairs..

Which is why I'm so excited for this. That and I like PES's innovative approach...
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Norcodrene is awesome! You won't be disappointed.
 
The most noticeable difference BTW NorCo and Alphamine thus far: I miss my regular bowel movements within 10 minutes of taking the Alpha!
Funny, but not joking...I understand it's from the choline in the Alpha correct?
I hope I can stay regular.
 
ikeNball said:
The most noticeable difference BTW NorCo and Alphamine thus far: I miss my regular bowel movements within 10 minutes of taking the Alpha!
Funny, but not joking...I understand it's from the choline in the Alpha correct?
I hope I can stay regular.
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Choline can cause GI distress in some. However, with Alphamine, plenty of people have had to start with a lower dose (even .25 scoop) and work their way up, and the distress was no more.
 
bdcc said:
My appetite was huge when I first tried Norcodrene as I was in quite deep into my photo shoot diet. I was using a lot of high volume, low calorie foods and eating was a relatively constant thought.

Norcodrene was the only thing that dented it. It was stronger than the EC stack in terms of appetite suppression.

This is why I tend to opt for it when dieting. I love Alphamine but in the deep stages of a diet, anything that suppresses appetite is welcomed with open arms lol.
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i noticed, since i count my macros like a nerd lol to the digits. and stay consistent with them, i responded quite well when i brought my fats down to 45g a day and left carbs at 220g, and protein never changed from 225g. and my weight would never stall no matter what, it constantly kept on going down, sometimes i needed to even bump carbs by 10-15g to prevent it from going down to quickly. i had to decrease cardio by 1 session to on norco. from 5 MISS sessions burning 450-300 calories, down to 4 sessions, 350-300 calories.
 
Auslifter said:
i noticed, since i count my macros like a nerd lol to the digits. and stay consistent with them, i responded quite well when i brought my fats down to 45g a day and left carbs at 220g, and protein never changed from 225g. and my weight would never stall no matter what, it constantly kept on going down, sometimes i needed to even bump carbs by 10-15g to prevent it from going down to quickly. i had to decrease cardio by 1 session to on norco. from 5 MISS sessions burning 450-300 calories, down to 4 sessions, 350-300 calories.
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Nerd? I call that dedication.

At my last job there was a joke around the IT department (I am IT). What is the difference between a nerd and a geek? About 50 Grand.

Nerd it up my man.
 
DAdams91982 said:
Nerd? I call that dedication. At my last job there was a joke around the IT department (I am IT). What is the difference between a nerd and a geek? About 50 Grand. Nerd it up my man.
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PES nerd squad at your service! :)
 
A tip of the hat, to PES.

I wasn't expecting much, but boy was I surprised. Very noticeable, long lasting energy. VERY long lasting. If I could only change one thing, it'd be the yohimbe bark extract, standardized for alkaloids. Or at least switching to using alpha-yohimbe only. Your typical Yohimbe bark has no less than 28 such alkaloids, not all of them pleasant..

Otherwise, this was the BEST "ephedrine replacement" I've used recently. Let's hope it isn't banned. Because once something like this catches on, the ban hammer is sure to follow. Nice job PES!!:arms:
 
Mixelflick said:
A tip of the hat, to PES.

I wasn't expecting much, but boy was I surprised. Very noticeable, long lasting energy. VERY long lasting. If I could only change one thing, it'd be the yohimbe bark extract, standardized for alkaloids. Or at least switching to using alpha-yohimbe only. Your typical Yohimbe bark has no less than 28 such alkaloids, not all of them pleasant..

Otherwise, this was the BEST "ephedrine replacement" I've used recently. Let's hope it isn't banned. Because once something like this catches on, the ban hammer is sure to follow. Nice job PES!!:arms:
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I was equally impressed with it. Looking at the caffeine/stimulant content, I didn't think it would be nearly as strong as it is. It is fantastic and long-lasting. I might raid Coop's stash one of these days.
 
We appreciate the feedback guys. Those little green and yellow pills pack a powerful punch. The long lasting energy and appetite suppression were a huge asset during my last prep, not to mention the increased rate of fat loss and mood enhancement I experienced as well.
 
breezy11 said:
We appreciate the feedback guys. Those little green and yellow pills pack a powerful punch. The long lasting energy and appetite suppression were a huge asset during my last prep, not to mention the increased rate of fat loss and mood enhancement I experienced as well.
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It's the only thing I've been able to come off EC with. There is literally NO drop in energy. It's good to use for that purpose for a week or two and slowly taper off entirely

At the same token, it's also amazing stacked with EC lol
 
chedapalooza said:
It's the only thing I've been able to come off EC with. There is literally NO drop in energy. It's good to use for that purpose for a week or two and slowly taper off entirely At the same token, it's also amazing stacked with EC lol
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Amentoflavone is fantastic for this.

It is actually effective to use during opiate withdrawals as well.

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Stuff amazes me more daily, and I love that it is in Norco. Added onto serious appetite suppression and fat-burning its a must have in a cut for me
 
The thing about Nocro that really gets me, even now looking back on it, was that the appetite suppression and energy lasted for about 6 hours, but around 5+ hours I would start to burn up. It was like the heat came in waves, and as one of the effects wore off, the heat would kick in and take over. I don't know why this is, but it was interesting to experience.
 
saggy321 said:
I start the EU version tomorrow. Looking forward to it as I've always struggled with yohimbine.
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I am pretty sensitive to Yohimbine, ok very sensitive, and I'm about the only one on this board that I've seen complain about Norco having strong yohimbine sides, but they weren't as bad as they could be and they wore off after 1-2 weeks. I worked out late in the day (around 6-7) and I wouldn't dose too close to a workout or I'd get sick feeling because of it. Once I backed off dosing around the workouts, I was good and in 2 weeks it didn't matter what I did and I was taking above the label doses without problems.
 
Mixelflick said:
A tip of the hat, to PES. I wasn't expecting much, but boy was I surprised. Very noticeable, long lasting energy. VERY long lasting. If I could only change one thing, it'd be the yohimbe bark extract, standardized for alkaloids. Or at least switching to using alpha-yohimbe only. Your typical Yohimbe bark has no less than 28 such alkaloids, not all of them pleasant.. Otherwise, this was the BEST "ephedrine replacement" I've used recently. Let's hope it isn't banned. Because once something like this catches on, the ban hammer is sure to follow. Nice job PES!!:arms:
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Thank you very much for the support and feedback. We are very proud of what we have here. :)
 
T-Bone said:
Why were you taking above the recommended label dosing? Did you not read the directions?

Norcodrene Directions:

To assess tolerance, take (1) capsule on an empty stomach 30-45 minutes before breakfast and an additional (1) capsule 5-6 hours later. Once tolerance has been assessed, an additional (1) capsule may be added to the morning serving. Under no circumstances should the initial serving be exceeded or the warnings on this bottle be ignored. DO NOT EXCEED 3 CAPSULES IN ANY 24 HOUR PERIOD. DO NOT USE PRODUCT FOR LONGER THAN 8 WEEKS FOLLOWED BY A SUBSQUENT 4 WEEK BREAK.


I'm just saying...You first mention how very sensitive you are to yohimbine and how the side effects of Norcodrene bother you. You then follow up with saying that you now take over the label dosage recommendations and that the side effects only lasted 2 weeks. Why on earth are you taking more than is recommended?. Especially with your sensitivity to yohimbine?. I mean after 1 week of solid nerve raking side effects even the most clueless person would have stopped. But no, you continued for another entire week!. And now you say you started to take even more than was recommended!. Why?. Did you miss the side effects you had at the normally recommended dosage on the label?. I'm sure the label recommendations are there for a reason and are all in capitals for a reason. You shouldn't be messing with dosages like that especially with stimulants!. Not to mention your sensitivity towards one of the main ingredients!.


I don't mean to sound like a jerk. I'm just trying to understand your reasoning.
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You don't sound like a jerk at all. I took Norco for 8 weeks. I felt the yohimbine for the first 2, then it totally subsided. Around week 5 or 6, I decided to take 4 pills to experiment, I do that kind of thing. Not always wise, but whatever. I took 2 pills in the morning, knew that I was fine with that, then went to another 2 pills in the afternoon instead of just 1. I knew I could handle 2 at a time...and I knew I could handle 3 in a day. I wanted to see what it was like. It is borderline uncomfortable...the heat waves become more frequent and slightly more intense.

My point is, even being sensitive to Y, something about the Norcodrene caused it to wear off after a couple weeks and then it became so unnoticeable that even with my stupid experimenting...I was OK.

In other words, I had side effects for the first 2 weeks at the recommended doses, then they went away...then I started playing with doses and even at higher doses I was fine with the Y.
 
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Any feedback on Norcodrene international version cause even on forum of only EU distributor there's no feedback despite they're selling it for over a week and I'm waiting few guys to say how it works or compares to US version?

I also have Incinderine that among others has yohimbine & forskolin so might even test to stack it with Norcodrene (boldine version).
 
Please feel free to post feedback on the EU version once you have used it. It would be good to have separate reviews for both.

I was talking one of the guys at Predator who had tested it and he commented on the long lasting appetite suppression as well. :)
 
A question. It took me longer to fall sleep last night even though I took only one cap of the international version at 1.30 pm. Could this be due to the amentoflavone and the grapefruit extract and their impact on GABA receptor? Anything I can do to counter this?
 
saggy321 said:
A question. It took me longer to fall sleep last night even though I took only one cap of the international version at 1.30 pm. Could this be due to the amentoflavone and the grapefruit extract and their impact on GABA receptor? Anything I can do to counter this?
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I'd say try taking it earlier, with prolonged use u may get used to it as well. If needed, look into a simple sleep aid with melatonin and valerian if you can't adjust to the stimulants
 
Thanks mate. I thought of that too. Valerian acts on the GABA receptor too and should in theory reverse the effects of amentoflavone. Any idea on amento's half life?
 
saggy321 said:
Would Norco and Lipomorph complement each other given one works on brown fat and the other on beige fat?
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Could they work well in conjunction? Absolutely, although be cautious stacking stims like that.

At most start with 1 of each in the morning and then one or the other for second dose

Base progression on your stim tolerance
 
jasonc06 said:
i finished using alphamine for a 8 week cycle.. . can i use Norcodrene now or need to wait few weeks?
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You would need a break before jumping on Norcodrene.
 
Driven2lift said:
Could they work well in conjunction? Absolutely, although be cautious stacking stims like that.

At most start with 1 of each in the morning and then one or the other for second dose

Base progression on your stim tolerance
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Thanks. I can gentle handle 3 caps now and fall asleep without sleep aids. I thought lipomorh was a non stim.
 
saggy321 said:
Thanks. I can gentle handle 3 caps now and fall asleep without sleep aids. I thought lipomorh was a non stim.
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That is one thing I really enjoy about Norco. Gives a mood and energy boost but I really don't struggle falling asleep even if I accidentally push my last dose later than intended.
 
LiveToLift said:
That is one thing I really enjoy about Norco. Gives a mood and energy boost but I really don't struggle falling asleep even if I accidentally push my last dose later than intended.
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I love the EU version. Seriously. It's different to Alphamine in that there isn't the same sort of buzz, but I can do a 24 fast easily and without feeling tired in any way mentally or physically which I usually would even with Alphamine. I can still walk around with energy rather than lethargy. In torn between the two, but overall diet compliance and fat loss I would go with norco.
 
chedapalooza said:
It's the only thing I've been able to come off EC with. There is literally NO drop in energy. It's good to use for that purpose for a week or two and slowly taper off entirely

At the same token, it's also amazing stacked with EC lol
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This is VERY true, as I've done the same. Where Norcodrene shines here is in both 1.) Amplifying and 2.) Sustaining E/C's effects.

In fact, it's not just synthetic E/C Norc will do this for. I maintain a healthy supply of Guarana and Ephedra (8% extract), so experimented with that too. They have the same horsepower as their synthetic cousins, with the advantage of a smoother rise and fall in energy levels.

I now have good news, and bad news. Since I'm trying to be more positive these days, let's get the bad news out of the way first...

THE BAD NEWS: Prior to the ban, a KILO of 8% Ephedra was just $50. I purchased "X" number of these circa 2004 and YES, 10 years later - they're still strong as hell.

THE GOOD NEWS: Norcodrene is here, and I consider it a true E/C replacement.

I'm going to run blood work after a month or so of using it, maybe stretch it out to 6 weeks. What I'm hoping for, is that Norcodrene has the same beneficial effects as E/C on my cholesterol. Specifically, much improved HDL counts. Without E/C I usually score circa 45mg/dl, or so which is good. When using it though, that figure jumps quite a bit. Last labs I had run they were 69.

Yep, you read that right. The ministry of truth will never tell you that, but it's true. The study below found E/C to reduce the rate of HDL-C decreases, seen with-hypocaloric dieting.(1). From the abstract, "It is suggested that EC combinations abolish the decline in HDL-cholesterol during active weight loss due to the beta-agonistic properties of ephedrine". Personally, I've seen it work it's magic on HDL's during a cut/re-comp AND bulk.

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BOTTOM LINE ON NORCODRENE

Most promising E/C replacement I've seen yet. Let's hope "they" don't include it, in a future witch hunt.
 
Tried my first sample dose of Norco this morning. Just 1 cap upon waking.
-Woke up starving... stomach grumbling, etc. Didn't notice anything right away but as I type (about 3 hrs after dosing) I'm feeling much less hungry. More of a mental block to the hunger. Still have that empty stomach feeling but not the pangs that I had upon waking. It took at least 1.5hr for the initial pangs to subside though.
-No noticeable heat/thermo thus far. It''s achilly morning here so i had hoped I would get a little of this but so far no luck. I'll keep an eye out for this alter.
-Focus and alertness is growing over the last hour and a half or so.
-Energy has been slowly climbing since about 1hr past dosing.

Initial impressions: Very slow to kick in. Seemed to take almost an hour or slightly longer before I felt much of anything. Since it started, however, energy, focus, mood, and appetite suppression have all been steadily increasing. Still nothing on the thermo front but I've seen a lot of comments about this coming on far later after dosing or even with meals. I will be having my first meal at 9am and will see how things feel after that.
 
Thanks for the feedback brother. Norcodrene's effects don't immediately slap me in the face either, but once they build, they're steady and long lasting.
 
booneman77 said:
Tried my first sample dose of Norco this morning. Just 1 cap upon waking.
-Woke up starving... stomach grumbling, etc. Didn't notice anything right away but as I type (about 3 hrs after dosing) I'm feeling much less hungry. More of a mental block to the hunger. Still have that empty stomach feeling but not the pangs that I had upon waking. It took at least 1.5hr for the initial pangs to subside though.
-No noticeable heat/thermo thus far. It''s achilly morning here so i had hoped I would get a little of this but so far no luck. I'll keep an eye out for this alter.
-Focus and alertness is growing over the last hour and a half or so.
-Energy has been slowly climbing since about 1hr past dosing.

Initial impressions: Very slow to kick in. Seemed to take almost an hour or slightly longer before I felt much of anything. Since it started, however, energy, focus, mood, and appetite suppression have all been steadily increasing. Still nothing on the thermo front but I've seen a lot of comments about this coming on far later after dosing or even with meals. I will be having my first meal at 9am and will see how things feel after that.
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Update: About 12pm I got REALLY hot ha. Walked into the bathroom and saw that my face was quite flushed and my cheeks very rosy. As I type this Im sweating eating my bowl of Select proats ha. Energy is still very high. Color me impressed with just one cap.
 
booneman77 said:
Update: About 12pm I got REALLY hot ha. Walked into the bathroom and saw that my face was quite flushed and my cheeks very rosy. As I type this Im sweating eating my bowl of Select proats ha. Energy is still very high. Color me impressed with just one cap.
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Norcodrene does take a bit to kick in but once it does, you'll know :).

Great feedback so fat though man!
 
booneman77 said:
Update: About 12pm I got REALLY hot ha. Walked into the bathroom and saw that my face was quite flushed and my cheeks very rosy. As I type this Im sweating eating my bowl of Select proats ha. Energy is still very high. Color me impressed with just one cap.
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Too cool man. I was a bit surprised in your first update with you not feeling this yet. Once it hits it is very obvious though. Thanks for the feedback and continued support Boone. (:
 
booneman77 said:
Tried my first sample dose of Norco this morning. Just 1 cap upon waking. -Woke up starving... stomach grumbling, etc. Didn't notice anything right away but as I type (about 3 hrs after dosing) I'm feeling much less hungry. More of a mental block to the hunger. Still have that empty stomach feeling but not the pangs that I had upon waking. It took at least 1.5hr for the initial pangs to subside though. -No noticeable heat/thermo thus far. It''s achilly morning here so i had hoped I would get a little of this but so far no luck. I'll keep an eye out for this alter. -Focus and alertness is growing over the last hour and a half or so. -Energy has been slowly climbing since about 1hr past dosing. Initial impressions: Very slow to kick in. Seemed to take almost an hour or slightly longer before I felt much of anything. Since it started, however, energy, focus, mood, and appetite suppression have all been steadily increasing. Still nothing on the thermo front but I've seen a lot of comments about this coming on far later after dosing or even with meals. I will be having my first meal at 9am and will see how things feel after that.
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booneman77 said:
Update: About 12pm I got REALLY hot ha. Walked into the bathroom and saw that my face was quite flushed and my cheeks very rosy. As I type this Im sweating eating my bowl of Select proats ha. Energy is still very high. Color me impressed with just one cap.
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Final update:
Was sweating all through my lunch. Finally settled down about 1:30pm but energy was still present. The last thing that I noticed was my mood improvement on the way to the gym (2:30p). I caught myself signing along the whole way there and was just really excited to go (more then normal ha). I couldn't believe that it had this long of an effect. Overall I am extremely impressed with all effects of just a single cap. This has been by far the most effective single dose of a product I've ever used. Hopefully the fat loss that would accompany a full cycle of this can match the overall energy and other positive effects. Even if not, it's still a spectacular supplement if only for mood and energy enhancement.
 
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