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PES Norcodrene ??

nattydisaster said:
If you're asking about Norcodrene, just make sure your last serving is taken no closer than 6 hours before bedtime
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Is it any worse than Alphamine for sleep. I ask because several people have reported it has had an adverse impact upon sleep. I'm OK with Alphamine.
 
saggy321 said:
Is it any worse than Alphamine for sleep. I ask because several people have reported it has had an adverse impact upon sleep. I'm OK with Alphamine.
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For what it's worth, I've been on both Norco/Alpha. I take my doses in the morning though and sleep completely fine at night....
 
ma70 said:
For what it's worth, I've been on both Norco/Alpha. I take my doses in the morning though and sleep completely fine at night....
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Thanks man. Have you noticed any difference between the two when it comes the length of time for the stims to wear off.
 
ma70 said:
Norcodrene definitely lasts longer and it's a smoother kind of energy.
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Ya I agree with this. It will be hard to say exactly if you'd have problems with Norcodrene if you didn't have any issues with Alphamine (I'd assume you wouldn't have too much issue in this case), just because everyone reacts to stimulants a little differently.

I personally haven't had any issues with sleep and taking Norcodrene as long as I don't take it too close to bed (4-6 hours).
 
nattydisaster said:
If you're asking about Norcodrene, just make sure your last serving is taken no closer than 6 hours before bedtime
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I haven't been following this thread for a while, because it has become so huge, but I was probably one of the first people to say this effected my sleep negatively. Having said that, I try to be blunt about both the good and bad, and this can come across to some as overstating the effects, but here are my thoughts, again, on Nocodrene and sleep.

When I was taking this pill, I really felt the yohimbine sides were stronger than Alphamine in the beginning, and I am probably the only person to have said this. Over 2 weeks, these sides almost completely subsided, so this was a strong plus. While I was taking it, I had a hard time sleeping but assumed it was due to some other things going on in life (my mind would race). This was pretty constant while I was on the Norco and I didn't attribute it to the Norco until AFTER I came off of it and realized my sleep went right back to normal, deep sleep.

The stimulant effect with this is REALLY mild and LONG lasting. When I run this again, and I will because it rocks, I will probably keep my last dose more like 8-10 hours away from my bedtime because it is so long lasting. It doesn't cause jitters at all, so I never attributed the sleep loss to the Norco until after. Even still, it may not have had anything to do with the Norco, but it just seemed strange how my sleep was disrupted the entire time I was on it, and returned to normal very soon after stopping.

I wouldn't let the sleep issue stop me though, I will be taking it again, and it seems I was more sensitive than almost anyone to some of the ingredients in the product. I still feel it was very manageable and an impressive product.
 
Oh, also, when I ran this, I was also running ANS Diablo with it and by the end of the run I was playing with doses of both. I had gone up to 4 pills of Norco/day and you could feel it at that dose...slightly unpleasant. I bet 5 pills/day would be very unpleasant. Even at 4 pills though, I could tell the sides were kicking in and the results were not that much greater. I'm all for bigger doses, when it is required, but 3 caps/day is VERY effective.

I started the Diablo before the Norcodrene and ended it before the norcodrene also, and it didn't seem to have an effect on sleep...which is why I attribute most of the effects to the Norco, but I wanted to be up front that I was playing with other stimulants at the time.
 
I really appreciate your thoughts on this. You've convinced me to use it. How does a stack of Norco, F95, TTA and Lipomorph sound?
 
saggy321 said:
I really appreciate your thoughts on this. You've convinced me to use it. How does a stack of Norco, F95, TTA and Lipomorph sound?
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I've never used TTA or Lipomorph, but my first reaction is that this is either awesome or overkill. I'm not sure what to think about it, TTA and lipomorph both look like very interesting products to me, an I know that Norco and F95 are great. I would start with Norco and F95 for a week or two, then maybe go all out....

It may be better to run something like Norco/F95 for 4 weeks and then Lipomorph/TTA for 4 weeks, or something along those lines.
 
nattydisaster said:
If you're asking about Norcodrene, just make sure your last serving is taken no closer than 6 hours before bedtime
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Agreed. The stim factor from Norcodrene isn't too overpowering that it disrupts any of my sleep patterns. Especially when I stick to this rule.
 
First day break off Norcodrene :(.
 
crusecontrl said:
Sorry got ahead of myself also running Follidrone and Viron
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Should have a strong run with the combo. I have no experience with the other 2 products but they seem to have solid feedback.
 
crusecontrl said:
Tomorrow is my 1st day in the gym for the week so I'll start logging lifts and weights ect
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Drop a link to the log sir! If you are happy with your run we always appreciate customers posting a review in our review section.
 
I'd love to follow along as well. As LivetoLift mentioned, honest feedback is always appreciated.
 
Ok to jump right in to a new bottle of Norcodrene? Never used before. But I am stimulant savvy (not sensitive). Just finishing up back to back tubs of Alphamine.
Also have Reduce XT ready to give it a whirl. Thoughts on timing of each? Run together? I'm sure someone will recommend a stim break. But all advice appreciated. Thanks y'all.
 
I jumped right in from ground zero and haven't had any problems or issues and I'm stim sensitive and this is right in my wheel house.
 
ikeNball said:
Ok to jump right in to a new bottle of Norcodrene? Never used before. But I am stimulant savvy (not sensitive). Just finishing up back to back tubs of Alphamine. Also have Reduce XT ready to give it a whirl. Thoughts on timing of each? Run together? I'm sure someone will recommend a stim break. But all advice appreciated. Thanks y'all.
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Recommending a stim break*
 
I'll say one thing that works incredibly well for me.

Two tabs of norco and four servings of uk alphamine.

The feels from norco is a godsend as tren does make me a bit grumpy, and alphamine is there for it's pump effect and muscle sparing.

Working well for me, the stimmy feeling has nearly backed off, now all i get is good feelings.
 
huxley309 said:
I'll say one thing that works incredibly well for me.

Two tabs of norco and four servings of uk alphamine.

The feels from norco is a godsend as tren does make me a bit grumpy, and alphamine is there for it's pump effect and muscle sparing.

Working well for me, the stimmy feeling has nearly backed off, now all i get is good feelings.
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You take four scoops of Alphamine and two Norcodrene capsules in one day?

We would never recommend someone exceed label instructions. This is a huge amount of stimulants.
 
bdcc said:
You take four scoops of Alphamine and two Norcodrene capsules in one day?

We would never recommend someone exceed label instructions. This is a huge amount of stimulants.
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Tends to vary, i'll pop a couple of norco and have my alphamine throughout the day.

As you can imagine i have quite a high tolerance to stims.

Of course you wouldn't recommend it i don't blame you, but it's my body so i take full responsibility should the worst happen.

Plus this isn't all the time, i go stim free on the weekends, you would think that would give me a big crash but nope been fine which is odd.
It's only because tren is turning me into a grumpy gus, and the lack of calories is making things harder.

Yeah i could bump calories admittedly, but my body is dog slow at shifting the fat, today i smashed over 1k cals on the treadmill, and yet in 7 months of dieting im just 3lbs lighter. And no it's not down to my diet, just sucky genetics and age im afraid.
 
huxley309 said:
Tends to vary, i'll pop a couple of norco and have my alphamine throughout the day. As you can imagine i have quite a high tolerance to stims. Of course you wouldn't recommend it i don't blame you, but it's my body so i take full responsibility should the worst happen. Plus this isn't all the time, i go stim free on the weekends, you would think that would give me a big crash but nope been fine which is odd. It's only because tren is turning me into a grumpy gus, and the lack of calories is making things harder. Yeah i could bump calories admittedly, but my body is dog slow at shifting the fat, today i smashed over 1k cals on the treadmill, and yet in 7 months of dieting im just 3lbs lighter. And no it's not down to my diet, just sucky genetics and age im afraid.
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It sounds like you need to reset your metabolism man. Maybe a diet break for a couple weeks. There's no way a healthy adult male with a perfect diet loses only 3lb in 7mo unless you're only eating like 5kcals below your maint. It's simply impossible. Math doesn't lie.
 
booneman77 said:
It sounds like you need to reset your metabolism man. Maybe a diet break for a couple weeks. There's no way a healthy adult male with a perfect diet loses only 3lb in 7mo unless you're only eating like 5kcals below your maint. It's simply impossible. Math doesn't lie.
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I am on a weekly refeed diet mind, and up until four weeks ago i was running 100mg F95, hmb, follidrone, ostarine, alphamine, 100mg test and whatever else i could think of.

Currently on a ttm cycle and im 3lb down before i started.

But you are right in that i could do with reassessing things.
 
huxley309 said:
I am on a weekly refeed diet mind, and up until four weeks ago i was running 100mg F95, hmb, follidrone, ostarine, alphamine, 100mg test and whatever else i could think of. Currently on a ttm cycle and im 3lb down before i started. But you are right in that i could do with reassessing things.
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Well that does make a lot more sense. You should be recomping more with all that stuff. Has your body comp been changing positively and just not much on the scale?
 
booneman77 said:
Well that does make a lot more sense. You should be recomping more with all that stuff. Has your body comp been changing positively and just not much on the scale?
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Yeah definitely, still way to go but I'm slowly getting there.
My body is dog slow at losing fat, but it makes me all the more determined to get it done.
Pre cycle I could still see my stomach when doing standing curls, today I couldn't see it at all, and my traps looked awesome.

There's this built guy who's been there since I've joined. For the first time today he looked fat when I was next to him.
So yeah loving it, just sucks the life out of me.
I'm sure it's just the tren, soon as I'm off I'll be back to 100%
 
T-Bone said:
Huxley, sounds like your hormones are all screwed up. Plus I don't know about running all those fat burners on cycle. My blood pressure would be through the roof.
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Got a monitor and it's within range, bit elevated but normal as I'm on cycle.
I am using jarrow pressure optimiser mind, I'd be screwed without it.
Even a simple test cycle would spike me into the hypertensive range.

As for hormones well I am 40, but I will be running pct after this for a while, just to give my body a break.
 
Any of y'all feel like your slightly losing your mind/get very irritable on the NorCo?
Don't think 100mg is too much caffeine per pill.
Also don't believe I have yohimbe sensitivity.
I'm just coming off 2 tubs of Alphamine, and my energy thru out the day is significantly lower and it sucks!
Taking 1-1 on Norco(9am and 2pm)
 
ikeNball said:
Any of y'all feel like your slightly losing your mind/get very irritable on the NorCo?
Don't think 100mg is too much caffeine per pill.
Also don't believe I have yohimbe sensitivity.
I'm just coming off 2 tubs of Alphamine, and my energy thru out the day is significantly lower and it sucks!
Taking 1-1 on Norco(9am and 2pm)
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Personally i get the exact opposite. Strong stims in general make me an *******... you can ask my wife.

Norco though gives me a boost and actually makes me more pleasant.
 
DAdams91982 said:
Personally i get the exact opposite. Strong stims in general make me an *******... you can ask my wife.

Norco though gives me a boost and actually makes me more pleasant.
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Same here. My mood noticeably improves with Norcodrene.

ikeNball, considering that you're coming off 2 tubs of Alphamine, I'm not too surprised that you're no longer feeling the same level of energy. This is one reason that stimulant products are recommended to by cycled; once your tolerance builds, they won't be felt as strong. The products should still be effective in terms of fat loss, but the energy boost they provide will eventually decline without a break from stims.
 
T-Bone said:
Complete opposite. I'm on Norco and just upped to 2 caps today and feel amazing!. Alphamine makes me freak the hell out even at .25 of the recommended dosage!.
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agree norco is much smoother for me. I prefer 1 scoop alphamine and 1 norco pre though.
 
T-Bone said:
Complete opposite. I'm on Norco and just upped to 2 caps today and feel amazing!. Alphamine makes me freak the hell out even at .25 of the recommended dosage!.
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I would like to remind any viewers that this is a very unusual response as far as Alphamine goes. We have a majority of users claiming they respond exceptionally well to alphamine over other products containing standard yohimbe.
 
To add to the discussion I get a nice energy boost and sense of well being from both alphamine and Norcodrene but definitely feel Norco is much milder. Can't beat the appetite suppression from Norco though.
 
ikeNball said:
Any of y'all feel like your slightly losing your mind/get very irritable on the NorCo?
Don't think 100mg is too much caffeine per pill.
Also don't believe I have yohimbe sensitivity.
I'm just coming off 2 tubs of Alphamine, and my energy thru out the day is significantly lower and it sucks!
Taking 1-1 on Norco(9am and 2pm)
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I can see this. When I used Norco (8 weeks) I thought it made me a little more moody and didn't know what the "feel good" part was all about. It was NOT bad though, and it may have been some other stresses in my life causing this. I also reacted very strongly to the Yohimbine in it, which made me think there was more Yohimbine in the Norco than the Alphamine.

My Alphamine experience was also atypical. I took half a tub and was not impressed and didn't like it all that much - but the yohimbine sides were non-existent. I decided to finish the second half of the tub off after about a 4 month break and the second half of the tub totally changed my mind. Sometimes I guess you just have very different experiences with products.

With Norco, the yohimbine sides felt strong for me for about 2 weeks then totally subsided and even though I didn't get the happy feeling and felt edgy, I was VERY impressed with it. Great appetite suppression and it can really heat you up. It is a product where if you get hot taking 3 pills, it is almost uncomfortable taking 4 pills.

I recently found a couple bottles of Adipokinetix from Syntrax that are about 10 years out of code in an old stash of supplements. This has 1R, 2S Norephedrine which I always thought was far superior to regular ephedrine as far as appetite suppression went, and even being 10 years out of code, it was sealed and stored well and it still works great. It has superior appetite suppression to Norco, but not by much and people loved Adipo 10-15 years ago. If Norco can compete without any ephedrine, etc. - it's impressive. As far as actual thermogenesis, I have a feeling Norcodrene probably has the edge over Adipo. As far as the combo appetite suppression/thermogenesis - Norco is probably the best out there.
 
HIT4ME said:
I can see this. When I used Norco (8 weeks) I thought it made me a little more moody and didn't know what the "feel good" part was all about. It was NOT bad though, and it may have been some other stresses in my life causing this. I also reacted very strongly to the Yohimbine in it, which made me think there was more Yohimbine in the Norco than the Alphamine. My Alphamine experience was also atypical. I took half a tub and was not impressed and didn't like it all that much - but the yohimbine sides were non-existent. I decided to finish the second half of the tub off after about a 4 month break and the second half of the tub totally changed my mind. Sometimes I guess you just have very different experiences with products. With Norco, the yohimbine sides felt strong for me for about 2 weeks then totally subsided and even though I didn't get the happy feeling and felt edgy, I was VERY impressed with it. Great appetite suppression and it can really heat you up. It is a product where if you get hot taking 3 pills, it is almost uncomfortable taking 4 pills. I recently found a couple bottles of Adipokinetix from Syntrax that are about 10 years out of code in an old stash of supplements. This has 1R, 2S Norephedrine which I always thought was far superior to regular ephedrine as far as appetite suppression went, and even being 10 years out of code, it was sealed and stored well and it still works great. It has superior appetite suppression to Norco, but not by much and people loved Adipo 10-15 years ago. If Norco can compete without any ephedrine, etc. - it's impressive. As far as actual thermogenesis, I have a feeling Norcodrene probably has the edge over Adipo. As far as the combo appetite suppression/thermogenesis - Norco is probably the best out there.
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It for sure sounds like outside factors led to your results varying so much. Nice to hear you ended up having positive results with the products. I never had the opportunity to try this adipo you speak of but if it had better suppression than Norcodrene it had to be some strong stuff. Norco straight kills any cravings I have and I haven't been able to get that from any other product I've ever tried.
 
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