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kissdadookie said:
Went to bed hungry as hell. Woke up hungrier. Dropped the Norcodrene, bronkaid, Erase (OG), betaine, agmatine, BA, and CREmTOR. Hunger disappeared and went to work at the gym.

Deadlifted 2 plates 2x12, 3 plates 1x8 1x6, 2 plates and a 35 1x6 then went on the leg press 5 plates for 20, 6 plates for 16, 7 and a half plates for 14, leg curled 2 plates short of the stack, leg raised the stack, calf raised 4 plates for 2x20, did some wood choppers with 150 3x14, straight leg raised 3x30, side blended 90s 3x14, kneeling cable crunched the stack of 200 3x20, then finished with a set of shrugs with 90s for 10.

Still boundless energy, it's been 5 days on this deficit and even though I miscalculated and the deficit is higher than I thought it was, did not lose any strength yet and feeling great.

So far so good on this Norcodrene. I may possibly enjoy Norcodrene + bronkaid more than Alphamine!
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Beside the obvious combination that we cannot recommend, I am pleased you are doing so well.

I know how hard it can be trying to maintain strength on a deep cut.
 
Sorry if this has already been asked. I am about to come off of a 8 week cycle of Alphamine and I was wondering if It would be ok to start a 8 cycle of Norcodrene? Or would I need to give some time for my receptors to recuperate?

Thanks for your help!
 
jayice said:
Sorry if this has already been asked. I am about to come off of a 8 week cycle of Alphamine and I was wondering if It would be ok to start a 8 cycle of Norcodrene? Or would I need to give some time for my receptors to recuperate? Thanks for your help!
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Yes take a 4 week break!
 
I would recommend taking a break. :)
 
kissdadookie said:
My that would be a medical miracle if I magically became shredded in 2 weeks. Lulz.
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New miracle supplement, guaranteed results after 1 use.

Its effectively a tranquilizer. They then break into your house and give you a liposuction procedure.

Hefty price tag though.
 
Driven2lift said:
New miracle supplement, guaranteed results after 1 use.

Its effectively a tranquilizer. They then break into your house and give you a liposuction procedure.

Hefty price tag though.
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Good lawd, just imagine all these newly overnight thin people and the flapping skin as a result. Double profit for the plastic surgeons!
 
Driven2lift said:
New miracle supplement, guaranteed results after 1 use.

Its effectively a tranquilizer. They then break into your house and give you a liposuction procedure.

Hefty price tag though.
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or in bdcc's case, if they stole his wallet there goes 20lbs!!!
 
I just wanted to chime in and put my .02 into this thread, as I have been on Norcodrene for 1 week almost and have been following this thread for a while. I haven't seen many people chiming in about actual fat loss, and I can't say I've had a ton in a week but here is my experience:

I am running Norco with ANS Diablo, 200 mg of forskolin from an off brand (I think this is really the equivalent of 100 mg - the brand just seems weak), Sesamin (I bought a bunch of bottles for under $10 each and have been running it for months), and large doses of fish oil.

I used the ANS Diablo for 3 days while I waited for the Norcodrene to reach me. I quickly went to 2 scoops twice/day and it was OK, but it didn't have any negative effects and wasn't an overly strong stimulant. When the Norco came on Monday, I took 1 Norco with 1 scoop of Diablo twice per day - and it hit me hard. I am sensitive to Yohimbine and my initial reaction was that there was much more Yohimbine in the Norco than in Alphamine. I played with the dose for a few days and then wound up with 2 Norco in the morning, 2 scoops diablo in the afternoon and that worked well. Today I took 2 Norco in the morning with 1 scoop of diablo and I feel really good actually. I am noticing the calming/happy effect that others have been talking about more today. I'm going to take 1 Norco and 1 scoop diablo this afternoon. I think this will be where I stay for the next 7 weeks and won't push it too much after that since I know the combo is not exactly recommended.

I think the Norcodrene has some great effects, and is definitely the stronger of the two products - the sides can be there until you build up a tolerance. Taking it with the Diablo though, I am very happy with the combination. The Diablo on its own was a bit of a disappointment, but it really seems to kick up the Norco a little.

The appetite suppression is great. I'd put it on par with Ephedrine at 50 mg. - which is impressive because the only things I've ever liked for appetite were Ephedrine and DMAA. I was going to get some DMAA powder but no longer see the need.

Energy - The yohimbine really messes with me, so I always have nervous energy while I adjust to that. It is unpleasant. Now that I am adjusting too it, however, it is actually increasing focus and giving me a smooth energy with no real crash. I am happy.

Thermogenesis - The norcodrene by itself is good at increasing my body temperature. Mixing it with Diablo will really warm you up. I have used Ephedrine, Lipokinetix, Diiodothyronine, lots of stuff. I think the combination of the two is as good as anything I've ever used - and T2 can really warm you up and I've gone as high as 1200 mcg. This stuff definitely increases your body temperature. I'm usually around 96.8-97 degrees when I take my temp orally (lower than what most people are) and last night I took my temp and I was 98.4 degrees. But beyond that, I felt like I was burning up and my gf said I felt really warm too.

Results after 1 week - I've lost about 2 pounds. Some of this was water weight I am sure, but I would like to keep my weight loss to 1-1.5 pounds/week to make sure I don't lose muscle.

This stuff is really good and I can see why Coop is so proud of it and keeps saying he feels it is the best fat burner out there - it isn't quite as impressive as lipokinetix - but it is good. And I probably didn't think Lipo was as impressive as Lipo after just 1 week either :)
 
^ In regards to the yohimbine content in Norcodrene as well as the higenamine, it is the mildest product containing y and/or higenamine I've ever used. They are either very low dosed or there's something about the product that reduces/nullifies the peripheral effects of y and/or higenamine. The product also hasn't given me the squirts yet which often times products with y and/or higenamine tends to do to me on occasions.

Fat loss, well, it's been a full 7 days on the product, I'm down about a lbs of consistent weight, possibly closer to 1.5 lbs. Caliper measurements (standard 3 pt measurement) says I've lost some body fat, so, altogether the cut is progressing :D
 
HIT4ME said:
I just wanted to chime in and put my .02 into this thread, as I have been on Norcodrene for 1 week almost and have been following this thread for a while. I haven't seen many people chiming in about actual fat loss, and I can't say I've had a ton in a week but here is my experience:

I am running Norco with ANS Diablo, 200 mg of forskolin from an off brand (I think this is really the equivalent of 100 mg - the brand just seems weak), Sesamin (I bought a bunch of bottles for under $10 each and have been running it for months), and large doses of fish oil.

I used the ANS Diablo for 3 days while I waited for the Norcodrene to reach me. I quickly went to 2 scoops twice/day and it was OK, but it didn't have any negative effects and wasn't an overly strong stimulant. When the Norco came on Monday, I took 1 Norco with 1 scoop of Diablo twice per day - and it hit me hard. I am sensitive to Yohimbine and my initial reaction was that there was much more Yohimbine in the Norco than in Alphamine. I played with the dose for a few days and then wound up with 2 Norco in the morning, 2 scoops diablo in the afternoon and that worked well. Today I took 2 Norco in the morning with 1 scoop of diablo and I feel really good actually. I am noticing the calming/happy effect that others have been talking about more today. I'm going to take 1 Norco and 1 scoop diablo this afternoon. I think this will be where I stay for the next 7 weeks and won't push it too much after that since I know the combo is not exactly recommended.

I think the Norcodrene has some great effects, and is definitely the stronger of the two products - the sides can be there until you build up a tolerance. Taking it with the Diablo though, I am very happy with the combination. The Diablo on its own was a bit of a disappointment, but it really seems to kick up the Norco a little.

The appetite suppression is great. I'd put it on par with Ephedrine at 50 mg. - which is impressive because the only things I've ever liked for appetite were Ephedrine and DMAA. I was going to get some DMAA powder but no longer see the need.

Energy - The yohimbine really messes with me, so I always have nervous energy while I adjust to that. It is unpleasant. Now that I am adjusting too it, however, it is actually increasing focus and giving me a smooth energy with no real crash. I am happy.

Thermogenesis - The norcodrene by itself is good at increasing my body temperature. Mixing it with Diablo will really warm you up. I have used Ephedrine, Lipokinetix, Diiodothyronine, lots of stuff. I think the combination of the two is as good as anything I've ever used - and T2 can really warm you up and I've gone as high as 1200 mcg. This stuff definitely increases your body temperature. I'm usually around 96.8-97 degrees when I take my temp orally (lower than what most people are) and last night I took my temp and I was 98.4 degrees. But beyond that, I felt like I was burning up and my gf said I felt really warm too.

Results after 1 week - I've lost about 2 pounds. Some of this was water weight I am sure, but I would like to keep my weight loss to 1-1.5 pounds/week to make sure I don't lose muscle.

This stuff is really good and I can see why Coop is so proud of it and keeps saying he feels it is the best fat burner out there - it isn't quite as impressive as lipokinetix - but it is good. And I probably didn't think Lipo was as impressive as Lipo after just 1 week either :)
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Can't say much more than that regarding appetite suppression lol.

Keep up the good work. :)
 
kissdadookie said:
^ In regards to the yohimbine content in Norcodrene as well as the higenamine, it is the mildest product containing y and/or higenamine I've ever used. They are either very low dosed or there's something about the product that reduces/nullifies the peripheral effects of y and/or higenamine. The product also hasn't given me the squirts yet which often times products with y and/or higenamine tends to do to me on occasions.

Fat loss, well, it's been a full 7 days on the product, I'm down about a lbs of consistent weight, possibly closer to 1.5 lbs. Caliper measurements (standard 3 pt measurement) says I've lost some body fat, so, altogether the cut is progressing :D
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Awesome. You have one more week to get shredded. :)
 
bdcc said:
Awesome. You have one more week to get shredded. :)
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Yeah, I'm a little disappointed with the actual fat loss. I am have not lost 30% of my bodyfat yet, which I expected after 1 week. I also thought this would make the chicks flock, but not so much. *heavy sarcasm*

This product has all the markings of a stimulant based thermo, and it does its job well. I think the fact that KD and I both have lost about 1-2 pounds in the first week on it, shows some random consistency. I've been losing weight at a very slow but steady pace and just got done with a cycle of 11-oxo for 6 weeks and 4 weeks of PCT on that, which brought me from about 257-258 down to about 246-248 and I am now pretty solid at 244. At one point I think I was down to 242 briefly during the PCT, but the way I've been losing I sometimes dip down a little and then gain 5-6 pounds back and homeostasis seems to set in. I think that happened at 248 and this combo started the fat loss up again.

I've got a long way to go, but I think I'll be running this for the next two months or so, taking a 3-4 week break from everything and then starting the same cycle over again, but this time I may try transdermal 11-Keto instead of the 11-Oxo, same PCT, and then 2 months of this. I'm hoping that by the end of the next 2 months I can be in the low 230's, and I'd like to get down to about 190-200 or so.

Oh, and as far as the Yohimbine - I agree with KD. It is always hit or miss with me with any form of Y - but what I've noticed is that while the effects were strong at first, my body is adjusting VERY quickly to it. I am at the max dose of Norco for the past 2 days, PLUS 2 scoops of Diablo and I am feeling fine. So, I adjusted pretty well in less than a week.
 
Dropped around 3.5 lbs total thus far scale weight. No strength drop in sight yet. Added another 10 lbs on my deadlifts this morning and still got all my regular deadlift weight sets and reps in on top of that :D So far so good!
 
kissdadookie said:
Dropped around 3.5 lbs total thus far scale weight. No strength drop in sight yet. Added another 10 lbs on my deadlifts this morning and still got all my regular deadlift weight sets and reps in on top of that :D So far so good!
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expect to keep that loss going! I am on week 6 and down 7lbs with no loss in strength, but rather a little gain
 
kissdadookie said:
Dropped around 3.5 lbs total thus far scale weight. No strength drop in sight yet. Added another 10 lbs on my deadlifts this morning and still got all my regular deadlift weight sets and reps in on top of that :D So far so good!
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Quads_of_Stee said:
expect to keep that loss going! I am on week 6 and down 7lbs with no loss in strength, but rather a little gain
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Good deal guys. :)
Keep up the good work.
 
bdcc said:
This is awesome. :)
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The norcodrene + F95 stack is awesome. I have visibly been making gains in the mirror and granted I did lose a little raw strength I have gained endurance (I switched up my workout and attribute the loss of strength to training for endurance mainly). 8weeks with this stack will transform anyone.
 
Quads_of_Stee said:
The norcodrene + F95 stack is awesome. I have visibly been making gains in the mirror and granted I did lose a little raw strength I have gained endurance (I switched up my workout and attribute the loss of strength to training for endurance mainly). 8weeks with this stack will transform anyone.
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I much prefer keeping the intensity high and volume lower when dieting to try and maintain strength as much as possible.
 
bdcc said:
I much prefer keeping the intensity high and volume lower when dieting to try and maintain strength as much as possible.
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Same here. That is how I always see the best results. :cool:
 
i hate to rain on this parade, but break out the umbrellas....:umbrella:

i haven't really noticed much anything noteable from norcodrene...to be honest, i am a little disappointed.
 
thebigt said:
i hate to rain on this parade, but break out the umbrellas....:umbrella:

i haven't really noticed much anything noteable from norcodrene...to be honest, i am a little disappointed.
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how long have you been using it? It took me 3 weeks to see visible fat loss
 
Quads_of_Stee said:
how long have you been using it? It took me 3 weeks to see visible fat loss
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I've been dropping fat... but that's most obviously from the caloric deficit. I would think that Norcodrene is helping as well (though it is being taken with bronkaid, Norcodrene by itself was lacking in energy and appetite control).
 
How would norcodrene compare to alphamine or alphamax, if you have to choose one for cutting would alphamine paired with ephedrine, norcodrene paired with ephedrine, or ECY plus alphamax or Abe be best?
 
bechsgaard said:
How would norcodrene compare to alphamine or alphamax, if you have to choose one for cutting would alphamine paired with ephedrine, norcodrene paired with ephedrine, or ECY plus alphamax or Abe be best?
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EC on it's own would work great.

Have not tried ephedrine with Alphamine but many of done so in the past and have enjoyed it. I'm running Norcodrene + ephedrine right now w/ forskolin & OG Erase and would have to say, the combo is working very well thus far. Progressing very nicely. May have a chance at getting rid of the love handles this time around and I have started leaning out a lot better on this cut than previous cuts.

Disclaimer here is that PES does not recommend stacking other stimulants with their stimulant products so, user beware and definitely assess your tolerance.
 
lol at customers using our disclaimers as well. :)
 
Only a few days and I get to crank open my Norco+Alpha T2 stack and try for ONCE in my life to hit low body fat. :D
 
I can echo this, a little over 1 week and down to 242-243 pretty consistently. The heat is there. The appetite suppression is there.

I will say the first week I noticed the effects of the Yohimbine, but this week it has pretty much disappeared. Just clean, easy energy now. I'm adjusting well. Taking 3 caps Norco w/ 4 scoops Diablo broken into 2 doses and no issues at all other than my BP being up a little. My temp is up (measured with a thermometer), my waist is actually going down just as fast as the scale, and I've lost some pounds.

I've also noticed that something weird happens - I eat most of my calories at night. It just works better for me to semi-fast during the day and have a big meal at night and maybe a snack. Even though I take my last dose of Norco around 3 PM most days, around 10 o'clock, the stim effects are pretty much worn off but I wind up feeling so full from my dinner (I eat around 8-8:30 most nights) even if I didn't eat much. It's like the appetite suppression outlasts the stimulant effects, which is a little unusual but good. They may actually be stronger after the stimulant wears off....
 
HIT4ME said:
I can echo this, a little over 1 week and down to 242-243 pretty consistently. The heat is there. The appetite suppression is there. I will say the first week I noticed the effects of the Yohimbine, but this week it has pretty much disappeared. Just clean, easy energy now. I'm adjusting well. Taking 3 caps Norco w/ 4 scoops Diablo broken into 2 doses and no issues at all other than my BP being up a little. My temp is up (measured with a thermometer), my waist is actually going down just as fast as the scale, and I've lost some pounds. I've also noticed that something weird happens - I eat most of my calories at night. It just works better for me to semi-fast during the day and have a big meal at night and maybe a snack. Even though I take my last dose of Norco around 3 PM most days, around 10 o'clock, the stim effects are pretty much worn off but I wind up feeling so full from my dinner (I eat around 8-8:30 most nights) even if I didn't eat much. It's like the appetite suppression outlasts the stimulant effects, which is a little unusual but good. They may actually be stronger after the stimulant wears off....
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Thanks for the feedback. I get some insane appetite suppression from Norco and agree it outlasts the stim effects for me. Still a great boost in energy and mood though.
 
well my mood is still amazing.

this week has been epic, the amount of volume i smashed was insane. no way could have done it without my stack lol i was squating 140kg x 6 towards the end of my bulk, and im on week 16 of my cut, this week im at 155 been using ArA + Anabeta Elite on and off the whole time, along with Craze, Alphamine, Recompadrol, Burn24, Agmatine caps, Beast Creature, Reduce xt, og erase, peak beta +, and new erase pro.

just finished my third leg workout this week, its Saturday today. this week all of my lifts have gone through the roof,

Todays Leg workout

Pre workout

i also took 1 cap of Erase Pro on an empty stomach after coop said this morning about it, having glycogen sparing effects and fat loss! felt great.

dosed 15mins before my stims.

3 Caps EvoMuse Nerve Restore
6 caps peak beta +
2g ArA (X Factor
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2 Scoops Craze
1 Norcodrene
1 Scoop Beast Creature

Squats -

60kg x 13 (Warm)
100kg x 12
120kg x 10
140kg x 8
150kg x 6 = PR! *Peak beta + Amentoflavone *XD fuuuuuark*
150kg x 6 = PR!
100kg x 12 (Close Stance, Pause explosives, slow negatives)

x4 Hammer Strength leg press (180kg x 15/220kg x 12/230kg x 10/240kg x 8/260kg x 5)

x4 Leg Extensions (50kg x 12/55kg x 12/64kg x 11/64kg x 9)
x3 Straight Leg deadlifts (100kg x 12/110kg x 8/120kg x 7)
x3 Lying leg curls (43kg x 12/50kg x 10/50kg x 10)
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the rest of this weeks workouts

Monday
Am - Chest Hypertrophy (High Volume)
Pm - Back Hypertrophy (High Volume) - *Best back workout in ages, felt amazing*
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Tuesday
Am - Legs Hypertrophy (High Volume)
Pm - Arms (12 sets Bis/Tris) *(Cardio MISS - 200 Cals)*
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Wensday *10 sets squats, warm ups/practice sets/hamstring machine work
Pm - Legs/Calves/Hips (Strength) (Low Volume)
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Thursday (Push Hyper/Strength) 21 sets chest + 14 sets shoulders/rear delts
Pm - Chest + Shoulders + Abs (High Volume)
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Friday (Pull Hyper/Strength) 26 sets back, 4 sets traps. *Heavy Deadlifts at the end 3 sets*
Pm - Back + Traps, *MISS Cardio After, 300 calories, on cross trainer*
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Saturday - *Legs Hyper* - (the one i posted).


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mr.cooper69 said:
That is extremely impressive man, and I'd expect nothing less considering what you're using. It pays to be an educated consumer ;)
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well im living proof of the science behind all of the products ;) no one could possibly cope with this volume and intensity without them unless they were enhnaced or had built upto it, and propper nutrition. i have still been eating at a calorie deficit also, only increasing my protein on the higher volume days

plus, all this extra training for fun this week = less boring MISS/HIIT.

and more yummy select protein for me :D

macros last week

training days (Protein: 215, Carbs: 180, Fat: 45)
rest days (P 215 C 150 F 50)
refeed day (P 190 C 270 F 45)

this week LOL

training days (P: 260-300, C: 230-250, F:45-55)
rest days *sunday* (P 225 C: 160 F 50)
refeed day *Monday Night this week
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P 300+
C 500+
F 52

woke up 0.5lb difference, probably water/sodium felt leaner wot

down 1.3lb this week still
 
Holy cow. Well man, you need to give yourself more credit too. You seem to really have your diet and training on point and are very conscience of what you're doing and how your body responds.
 
Awesome shape, Max. Very impressive. :)
 
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