PES High Volume

Would dosing phosphatidylserine with the choline from 2 scoops of alphamine potentially cause the issue? I may be wrong here but aren't they constituents of the same compound?
 
jwsnowman said:
Would dosing phosphatidylserine with the choline from 2 scoops of alphamine potentially cause the issue? I may be wrong here but aren't they constituents of the same compound?
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It could indeed but it shouldn't be so bad. What are you taking daily?
 
Synapsin said:
It could indeed but it shouldn't be so bad. What are you taking daily?
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At the time I was having the issue, I was using Olympus Labs Vitality about 60 mins pre workout and then 2 scoops Alphamine with 2 scoops High Volume 30 minutes pre. Once E9 was released, I discontinued use of Vitality and used E9. That's when the issue stopped. I know E9 also uses choline as well but I stopped alphamine at that same time. I don't remember having the issue when taking Vitality by itself on non workout days when I didn't use alphamine or high volume. I just thought of this a couple days ago.
 
jwsnowman said:
At the time I was having the issue, I was using Olympus Labs Vitality about 60 mins pre workout and then 2 scoops Alphamine with 2 scoops High Volume 30 minutes pre. Once E9 was released, I discontinued use of Vitality and used E9. That's when the issue stopped. I know E9 also uses choline as well but I stopped alphamine at that same time. I don't remember having the issue when taking Vitality by itself on non workout days when I didn't use alphamine or high volume. I just thought of this a couple days ago.
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Yeah it could definitely be that then. Also, cool that you're from Atlantic Canada, I assume NS?
 
Synapsin said:
Yeah it could definitely be that then. Also, cool that you're from Atlantic Canada, I assume NS?
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Yeah I never thought of it being the PS in vitality until just a day or two ago. I went through my personal logs of what I had been using lately and that kind of popped into my head as being a possibility.

And yeah I'm in Halifax...Buried under more snow than I've ever seen haha
 
How is ergonine and high volume stacked ? Anyone use this yet ? I may make that my summer stack when I take a stim break in June.
 
luckylefty811 said:
How is ergonine and high volume stacked ? Anyone use this yet ? I may make that my summer stack when I take a stim break in June.
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Many are stacking right now and loving the combo, especially the flavor combos.
 
luckylefty811 said:
How is ergonine and high volume stacked ? Anyone use this yet ? I may make that my summer stack when I take a stim break in June.
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I'm currently taking my E9 about 60 minutes pre workout and my HV 30 minutes ore workout. On rest days I take my E9 in the morning, usually mixed with a protein powder for part of my breakfast.
 
Agreed, HV shines best taken at least an hour before you want it to be doing its job. Label instructions are questionable on that front.
 
I just picked up a tub of the High Volume Friday and now I am nervous to use it after reading about all these stomach issues. I am currently using Hemvo2 but wanted to give this a shot and compare the two since I like non stim pre workouts these days (plus who knows if Hemavo2 is getting discontinued with what they are dealing with)

I hope I am fine, I do have a sensitive stomach but non stim stuff is usually fine, I will be running out of the Hemavo2 probably by the end of the week then ill give this a shot.
 
Synapsin said:
Yeah, I like to give it time because of the nitrates
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chedapalooza said:
I can attest to this too... It happened accidentally but I definitely noticed better results when I took it like an hour+ from start of workout after I get held up at work
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Nyrin said:
Agreed, HV shines best taken at least an hour before you want it to be doing its job. Label instructions are questionable on that front.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there is research behind nitrates with their benefits being noticed around 2 hours after ingestion.
 
chromexskull said:
I just picked up a tub of the High Volume Friday and now I am nervous to use it after reading about all these stomach issues. I am currently using Hemvo2 but wanted to give this a shot and compare the two since I like non stim pre workouts these days (plus who knows if Hemavo2 is getting discontinued with what they are dealing with)

I hope I am fine, I do have a sensitive stomach but non stim stuff is usually fine, I will be running out of the Hemavo2 probably by the end of the week then ill give this a shot.
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Honestly, after my experience with it, I really don't think it was the HV, but a combo of other things I was using. After stopping those things, I have had zero issues.
 
Gonna have to try moving my hv out further as well. Sounds like s winning move
 
jwsnowman said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there is research behind nitrates with their benefits being noticed around 2 hours after ingestion.
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What research in particular? 2 hours would probably be too long for most of the other ingredients for maximum benefit. One hour does the trick quite nicely for me.
 
Synapsin said:
What research in particular? 2 hours would probably be too long for most of the other ingredients for maximum benefit. One hour does the trick quite nicely for me.
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I saw a study at one point on nitrates which discussed timing prior to athletic activity. I can't remember who it was by anymore. I'll check my bookmarks to see if I saved it on my computer.
 
jwsnowman said:
I saw a study at one point on nitrates which discussed timing prior to athletic activity. I can't remember who it was by anymore. I'll check my bookmarks to see if I saved it on my computer.
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Yeah okay. Nitrates are active for a long time, was just wondering why they came up with 2 hours in particular
 
Synapsin said:
Yeah okay. Nitrates are active for a long time, was just wondering why they came up with 2 hours in particular
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It wasn't 2 hours exactly....I believe there was a range of between 2-3 hours from what I remember. But like you said before, the other ingredients would most likely lose their effect after an hour has passed. I'm going to try out the HV an hour before training tomorrow to see if I see a difference.
 
There are several studies on the AUC for nitrate supplementation; here's one: Invalid Link Removed

After ingestion of KNO3 capsules (24 mmol), there was a rapid (within 30 minutes) increase in circulating plasma [highlight]nitrate concentration, peaking at 3 hours[/highlight] and remaining significantly elevated at 24 hours (Figure 1A). In contrast, the rise in plasma [highlight]nitrite concentration[/highlight] was moderate, followed by a slower time course and significantly raised levels first evident at 1.5 hours, [highlight]plateauing at ≈2.5 hours[/highlight], sustained to 6 hours, and remaining elevated at 24 hours (Figure 1B).
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So...is the consensus now to drink HV an hour before swole time? If so, I'll likely just drink E9 + HV together ab 60 min out. Then add any type of caffeine pre OTW to the gym.
 
ikeNball said:
So...is the consensus now to drink HV an hour before swole time? If so, I'll likely just drink E9 + HV together ab 60 min out. Then add any type of caffeine pre OTW to the gym.
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lol at "swole time". :)

I just drink mine 30 minutes before. I have experimented with slightly different dosing and seem to get insane vascularity regardless of 30,45 or 60 minutes. :)
 
bdcc said:
lol at "swole time". :) I just drink mine 30 minutes before. I have experimented with slightly different dosing and seem to get insane vascularity regardless of 30,45 or 60 minutes. :)
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I usually make mine up right before leaving for gym. Takes about 20 mins for me to get there so by my working sets I'm about 30 mins after dosing. Works great for me.
 
So I tried my HV at 60 minutes pre workout today and I think I did see an improvement on already amazing vascularity and pumps. That being said, I may have just been a little more hydrated than usual as well. I'm going to keep at it with this timing to see if I continue to see the same.

On a related note:

2 scoops HV + 1 scoop E9 + 2 caps AmentoMax = Hulk Juice. Seriously, I feel unstoppable on this stack. I can only imagine what adding Anabeta Elite and ArA to this would be like.....;)
 
jwsnowman said:
So I tried my HV at 60 minutes pre workout today and I think I did see an improvement on already amazing vascularity and pumps. That being said, I may have just been a little more hydrated than usual as well. I'm going to keep at it with this timing to see if I continue to see the same. On a related note: 2 scoops HV + 1 scoop E9 + 2 caps AmentoMax = Hulk Juice. Seriously, I feel unstoppable on this stack. I can only imagine what adding Anabeta Elite and ArA to this would be like.....;)
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Add them and find out :)
 
kbayne said:
Add them and find out :)
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I will be once I'm done my initial cut. I'm cutting down to a maintenance weight after my bulk got a little further than I had originally planned. Once I hit my goal, I'll be starting to "gaintain" until I cut for my next show in November. That period of time between this cut and my next one should be about 8 weeks so I'm going to run that exact stack at that time.
 
I like to leave a couple of weeks following a cut for my diet to normalise before I add ABE.

It is hard to make the psychological switch from cutting and resisting extreme appetite cravings to bulking with ABE. After a couple of weeks at maintenance for my appetite to normalise slightly I am good to go. :)

High Volume I kept the whole way through. The pump I got in the gym was enough for me to still look full, even when I was 6kg lighter. :)
 
bdcc said:
I like to leave a couple of weeks following a cut for my diet to normalise before I add ABE.

It is hard to make the psychological switch from cutting and resisting extreme appetite cravings to bulking with ABE. After a couple of weeks at maintenance for my appetite to normalise slightly I am good to go. :)

High Volume I kept the whole way through. The pump I got in the gym was enough for me to still look full, even when I was 6kg lighter. :)
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Thanks for the advice on this. I noticed with the new version of ABE (ran it in the early fall) that my hunger and appetite didn't increase as much as it did with the original ABE. Either way, I'll leave a couple weeks between the transition to make sure I can ease out of the cut without wanting to destroy every piece of food I see.
 
bdcc said:
I like to leave a couple of weeks following a cut for my diet to normalise before I add ABE.

It is hard to make the psychological switch from cutting and resisting extreme appetite cravings to bulking with ABE. After a couple of weeks at maintenance for my appetite to normalise slightly I am good to go. :)

High Volume I kept the whole way through. The pump I got in the gym was enough for me to still look full, even when I was 6kg lighter. :)
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this. i know people say oh ABE dosen't make you hungry lol but if you have been cutting hard and need to reverse running abe right away can be rough lol but it's hunger effects are definitely not crazy once your in a surplus and hormones are normalized. and is perfect to keep your appetite up from there on, but no where near the same as after a big deficit

high volume is great for cutting lol, keeps you mentally happy with it's cosmetic fullness when your flat as from them low days.
 
High Volume pre workout made me look full and vascular even when I was 6kg down and people were telling me I looked gaunt lol.
 
bdcc said:
High Volume pre workout made me look full and vascular even when I was 6kg down and people were telling me I looked gaunt lol.
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With how shredded you are I'm sure adding in a product like high volume is unreal. Your veins probably have veins. :D
 
Can Follidrone and HV be taking at the same time pw?
I take my 2 cap Follidrone 30-45 min pw and was planing to add HV as well to it, but I'm not sure should I have it at 2 scoop or 1 as Follidrone has well has some pump effects?
 
palwan said:
Can Follidrone and HV be taking at the same time pw?
I take my 2 cap Follidrone 30-45 min pw and was planing to add HV as well to it, but I'm not sure should I have it at 2 scoop or 1 as Follidrone has well has some pump effects?
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They can be taken at the same time.

Start with 1 scoop, then if needed try 1.5 and then 2 if you wish. You may not need a full 2 scoops to get the benefits you are looking for (benefit of such a well dosed product). :)
 
palwan said:
Can Follidrone and HV be taking at the same time pw?
I take my 2 cap Follidrone 30-45 min pw and was planing to add HV as well to it, but I'm not sure should I have it at 2 scoop or 1 as Follidrone has well has some pump effects?
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Fine to dose at the same time as bolt stated. Surely start with 1 scoop.
 
^ ^ I went to gym before replays, and take it at 2 scoop to see what it does, have to say I was kind of very calm and relax ,full of energy added extra 5KG to my bench press and super pumps, no side effects. Have to admit it is top notch supplement for those who look for insane pumps.

As you both suggest, I will try it with 1 scoop tomorrow and see the difference, and it will also last longer.
 
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