People are ****ed up these days

[ReaperX]

here's 2 scenarios that occured at my office:


1. A 27 yr old male who has a little daughter at home died because he was working on a cell phone tower and fell 150 feet to his death. When we spoke to that cell phone company (a major network provider), their response was 'atleast he didn't damage any equipment while falling down.'


2. A young woman that was 29 yrs old died after being exposed to toxic levels of a chemical she was working with. Upon further examination in our investigation we discovered that all the chemicals had all labels ripped off. All hazard warnings, the whole nine yards. She left behind 3 kids.

The company said they tore off those labels due to 'trade secret'. We are seeking legal prosecution against this company.


These are just 2 stories among many that I have encountered.

 

[ReaperX]

Anyways, I respect both opinions of people. Maybe it is just that at work I see too many people die for reasons that they don't need to.

 

[DmitryWI]

Anyways, I respect both opinions of people. Maybe it is just that at work I see too many people die for reasons that they don't need to.

No I hear you too, sometimes it's hard to see better side of people when all you see and hear negative stuff, but i truly believe most people aren't evil.

 

[Trauma1]

Anyways, I respect both opinions of people. Maybe it is just that at work I see too many people die for reasons that they don't need to.

I see this almost daily myself. I see the drunks that kill innocent people/families, but i also see the people that are willing to donate a kidney to save another. At first i only saw the bad myself, but it wasn't until i truly opened up my perception that i saw life in a different light.

I don't deny the fact that there are truly sick people in this world, i'm just saying that the good often goes un-noticed and underappreciated.

This reminds me of a famous quote from William Blake's "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell":

"If the doors of perception were cleansed every thing would appear to man as it is, infinite." - William Blake

 

[RenegadeRows]

I have to go with Adams on this one. Yes, parts of the US like urban areas aren't getting much better ... but thats no reason to sell your stock and buy a cabin in the woods.

I always say be the change you wanna see in the world. That's all you can really do, I mean you can't control how others act, might as well set the example.

And karma's a *****

 

[Jayhawkk]

Just when you thought that people were evil at heart and had no redeeming values or morals...

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WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush on Monday presented the nation's highest military award to a 19-year-old soldier who died saving the lives of four comrades in Iraq by jumping on a grenade tossed into their military vehicle.

The honored soldier, Army Pfc. Ross McGinnis, "gave all for his country," the president said somberly.

"No one outside this man's family can know the true weight of their loss. But in words spoken long ago, we are told how to measure the kind of devotion that Ross McGinnis showed on his last day: 'Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.'"

The president spoke in the East Room at a ceremony attended by Vice President **** Cheney, prior recipients of the Medal of Honor, military leaders, McGinnis' parents, Tom and Romayne, and his two sisters, Becky and Katie. The four soldiers protected by McGinnis' actions were all in attendance.

McGinnis was in the gunner's hatch of a Humvee on Dec. 4, 2006, on a patrol in Iraq, when a grenade sailed past him and into the vehicle where the four other soldiers sat. He shouted a warning, then jumped on the grenade while it was lodged near the vehicle's radio.

"By that split-second decision, Private McGinnis lost his own life, and he saved his comrades," Bush said.

McGinnis grew up in the rural town of Knox, Pa., about 60 miles northeast of Pittsburgh.

He enlisted in the Army after some struggles in school. Friends and family say they were watching him transform into a man.

Bush called him a regular guy, a dependable friend with a big heart and a carefree spirit. He also had a robust sense of humor, as was known as the only one in boot camp who could make his drill sergeant laugh, the president said.

As a military aide read the formal citation of McGinnis' honor, Bush gave the late soldier's mom a smile. When the audience rose and offered an ovation, Bush gave Mrs. McGinnis a kiss on the cheek and shook her husband's hand.

The president said it was a high privilege for him to present the Medal of Honor, recognizing valor beyond anything that duty could require.

"May the deep respect of our whole nation be a comfort to the family of this fallen soldier," Bush said. "May God always watch over the country he served, and keep us ever grateful for the life of Ross Andrew McGinnis."

 

[Jayhawkk]

If that doesn't at least put a lump in your throat from the courage and self sacrifice of this Soldier... then I don't know what to tell ya.

 

[Manimalia]

Help and assistance extends beyond large scale charity events. To be honest, I feel like those things are a publicity stunt to a certain extent.

x2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Manimalia]

And you can think how you wish. I have seen the walk for autism personally affect my (Soon to be) brother in law (Fragile-X Syndrome), and how much the march of dimes does for baby care and salvation is non-debatable.

Not saying it doesnt go all the way down to personal level. I have volunteered for the fisher house (Google it) more times than I can count, and have given to homeless more times than none.

I am not trying to say I am some saint or anything, but this seems to have turned into personal good vs. good.

But then again conspiricy theory does extend beyond the message boards.

Adams

yes, you are not a saint. making and passing out a few bucks is NOT even what reaper is talking about. you've taken the whole subject and used your own tiny angle as an argument.

i'm surprised he didn't hop off of it back to the point.

 

[Trauma1]

I remember reading that Jay. What a heroic and completely selfless act. :clap2:

 

[Manimalia]

I completely agree with you here. While it may not always be visible on the surface, there is good that lies within us all. Working in the emergency room for so many years i've witnessed good in people that i would never have imagined.

I also agree with Mr. Adams that humans are very much a self-preserving species in general. When and if humanity is ever faced with a seriously cataclysmic event, you would see even those most distant from all that is good pull together for the sake of mankind.

It's often that the good in people doesn't show itself until faced with the worst of times......

you got it, trauma. another way of saying that, though, is-and this is reaper's argument as well as mine- that they will pull for the good only if there is no longer a choice in the matter. the end of others among themselves would only be one physical/psychological step closer to their own end. it's still self-preservation no matter how you cut it.

 

[Manimalia]

For every f...ed thing that happens there are twenty acts of kindness, it all depends what you want to see in your life. News stories are all about ratings, people don't wanna see stories about some happy people walking on the beach holding hands being in love or something, we wanna see who killed and raped who, accidents on the free ways, etc.

think about the timeline of existence. morally unacceptable acts had been at their peak in the old ages and leveled off decently within that veritable age of reason-the 20th century.

i think now the reaper is observing the backslide and making note of it on AM, and we're all just over-complicating his observation.

 

[Manimalia]

It is not even limited to local news. That is just a portion of it. What about genocide that occurs in different countries throughout the world ? Anyone ever see the movie 'Blood Diamond' ?


I respect the fact that a lot of ppl want to believe the notion that there is a lot of good in the world. Not saying that there isn't, but there is an equal amount of bad that exists as well.

I do personally believe that humanity has been cheapened excessively and will continue to be as time continues.


Abortion being legal ? Need I say more ?

we need two "good" and "evil" barometers. i bet the "evil" barometer would be higher. it's not just hit and runs; it's the catty look a secretary might give us, it's the indifference to seeing someone picked on; it's ignorance; and so on.

 

[Trauma1]

think about the timeline of existence. morally unacceptable acts had been at their peak in the old ages and leveled off decently within that veritable age of reason-the 20th century.

i think now the reaper is observing the backslide and making note of it on AM, and we're all just over-complicating his observation.

I'm not over-complicating anything. I believe it was presented as a one-sided view that humanity is innately evil. I'm sorry, but that's a load of B.S.

 

[Manimalia]

i'm not some nihilistic cynic or anything like that guys. i want y'all to know that; i like all you guys. i think i just say these things because they keep me empowered to stay, for the most part, self-reliant.

there IS good in this life. but in my time and my father's time, the bad has been there just as before these times and seems to be on the rise. and it's a hard reality to face, the bad side of things, that no one with a good heart will get used to, that we will always share our feelings on.

not to get too maury povich here, but i just wanna say, that i support all of your beliefs as well. people have ability to change to be good or bad. we're all here on this planet full of good and bad influences. sorry for blathering.

 

[ReaperX]

It's not everyday that I see someone get hit by a car, then have the person that hit them drive off as fast as they can.

 

[Manimalia]

I'm not over-complicating anything. I believe it was presented as a one-sided view that humanity is innately evil. I'm sorry, but that's a load of B.S.

while the bible says we are all somewhat innately evil, i don't agree either. i agree with you. no one who commits an "evil" act does so because they want to be "evil." people do what they think is right for them.

a mother throws her baby in a dumpster to die. she's not evil. she wanted to preserve her ability to shoot up and ditch the guilt of having to be accountable for a life. she couldn't be accountable for that life because she couldn't even account for her own. because this life is too much for some.

why didn't she just bring it to a shelter? because of ignorance and not caring enough about the baby's life because she doesn't care enough about her own confusing existence.

she wants to be as close to death as she can and she doesn't even know it. she may walk the streets at night like a living person, but she only feels good when she slips into oblivion from that needle. it's release. it's like death without suicide.

this is self-preservation, giving herself the ability to be as oblivious to everything as possible. and she may feel bad about it all, and she may think it's evil, but remember she felt bad about it, and did not logically want it. any of it.

so i agree in a way, there is no "evil" per say.

 

[ReaperX]

while the bible says we are all somewhat innately evil, i don't agree either. i agree with you. no one who commits an "evil" act does so because they want to be "evil." people do what they think is right for them.

a mother throws her baby in a dumpster to die. she's not evil. she wanted to preserve her ability to shoot up and ditch the guilt of having to be accountable for a life. she couldn't be accountable for that life because she couldn't even account for her own. because this life is too much for some.

why didn't she just bring it to a shelter? because of ignorance and not caring enough about the baby's life because she doesn't care enough about her own confusing existence.

she wants to be as close to death as she can and she doesn't even know it. she may walk the streets at night like a living person, but she only feels good when she slips into oblivion from that needle. it's release. it's like death without suicide.

this is self-preservation, giving herself the ability to be as oblivious to everything as possible. and she may feel bad about it all, and she may think it's evil, but remember she felt bad about it, and did not logically want it. any of it.

so i agree in a way, there is no "evil" per say.

I don't know about that one.

 

[Manimalia]

I don't know about that one.

we just give it different names, reaper. the terms "good and evil" denote religion. and i am all for religion, as it can enrich lives (i think this regardless of some saying how much trouble it causes; mostly atheists say these things. i myself, am agnostic/ a skeptic).

but anywho, i would think philosophy-personified would call "good and evil" by different names, such as "self-preserved and selfless" acts, among others. just talking terms.

 

[Trauma1]

while the bible says we are all somewhat innately evil, i don't agree either. i agree with you. no one who commits an "evil" act does so because they want to be "evil." people do what they think is right for them.

a mother throws her baby in a dumpster to die. she's not evil. she wanted to preserve her ability to shoot up and ditch the guilt of having to be accountable for a life. she couldn't be accountable for that life because she couldn't even account for her own. because this life is too much for some.

why didn't she just bring it to a shelter? because of ignorance and not caring enough about the baby's life because she doesn't care enough about her own confusing existence.

she wants to be as close to death as she can and she doesn't even know it. she may walk the streets at night like a living person, but she only feels good when she slips into oblivion from that needle. it's release. it's like death without suicide.

this is self-preservation, giving herself the ability to be as oblivious to everything as possible. and she may feel bad about it all, and she may think it's evil, but remember she felt bad about it, and did not logically want it. any of it.

so i agree in a way, there is no "evil" per say.

Are you talking about 'original sin'? Being born into the world with original sin doesn't make you an "evil" person. However, that's as far as i'll go with that because i don't argue religion or politics at any level.....it's pointless.

Once again, why is the focus on a bad situation? I think your demonstration of 'self preservation' is actually a textbook tale of the horrors of addiction on the human body and mind. That's not self preservation, it's clearly an addiction example. Self Preservation is to protect oneself from harm or destruction, or the innate desire to stay alive.

As human beings we're not perfect, however that doesn't make us evil either. I like to think that many learn from their mistakes and become a better people as a result in the end, however many will not for whatever reasons they may be.

I firmly believe that many factors do influence and shape who you become in life, however even with that in mind, you still control your own destiny and who/what you become. If you think negative, you will be negative. It doesn't get any simpler than that.

 

[DAdams91982]

This thread is dust.

It went from civil debate, to assumptions, and attacks.

Manwhateverilia you knob. To pidgeon hole me because I make a comment is far beyond ignorant of the conversation. Listen up squarepants, I have a much larger angle on the world than your arkansas eyes can handle. I will leave it at that. If you knew anything about me, you would know I have served globally, and have seen good everywhere. So take off the girl pants and be civil in this conversation.

Adams

 

[Trauma1]

This thread is dust.

It went from civil debate, to assumptions, and attacks.

Manwhateverilia you knob. To pidgeon hole me because I make a comment is far beyond ignorant of the conversation. Listen up squarepants, I have a much larger angle on the world than your arkansas eyes can handle. I will leave it at that. If you knew anything about me, you would know I have served globally, and have seen good everywhere. So take off the girl pants and be civil in this conversation.

Adams

:goodpost:

And yes, you're indeed a good man charlie brown.

 

[Manimalia]

This thread is dust.

It went from civil debate, to assumptions, and attacks.

Manwhateverilia you knob. To pidgeon hole me because I make a comment is far beyond ignorant of the conversation. Listen up squarepants, I have a much larger angle on the world than your arkansas eyes can handle. I will leave it at that. If you knew anything about me, you would know I have served globally, and have seen good everywhere. So take off the girl pants and be civil in this conversation.

Adams

there's no need to become rude. i simply didn't care for the way YOU put yourself in focus, just the way YOU did now. you took a thought from the original poster and went off on a tangent about all the good things you have done. maybe you should have formed a broader/more solid/more relevant argument.

and another thing, i'm not about to have a forum-based tinkle contest. i'm not so dumb as to be baited. your inflammatory, rude, and ignorant remarks have no effect on me. you are no more than i am, and even if you were, it won't be proven through a computer...sarge.

 

[Manimalia]

Are you talking about 'original sin'? Being born into the world with original sin doesn't make you an "evil" person. However, that's as far as i'll go with that because i don't argue religion or politics at any level.....it's pointless.

Once again, why is the focus on a bad situation? I think your demonstration of 'self preservation' is actually a textbook tale of the horrors of addiction on the human body and mind. That's not self preservation, it's clearly an addiction example. Self Preservation is to protect oneself from harm or destruction, or the innate desire to stay alive.

As human beings we're not perfect, however that doesn't make us evil either. I like to think that many learn from their mistakes and become a better people as a result in the end, however many will not for whatever reasons they may be.

I firmly believe that many factors do influence and shape who you become in life, however even with that in mind, you still control your own destiny and who/what you become. If you think negative, you will be negative. It doesn't get any simpler than that.

the hypothetical woman, she preserved her state of being unaccountable for anything, including herself. i totally agree with you, trauma. i don't want to seem like i'm arguing. i guess i'm just uselessly speaking of terms when it all comes down to it. the point is the same no matter what words are used. so, i'll once again confirm it, i agree with you completely. and i apologize if i seemed to be posting inflammatory words.

 

[Manimalia]

This thread is dust.

It went from civil debate, to assumptions, and attacks.

Manwhateverilia you knob. To pidgeon hole me because I make a comment is far beyond ignorant of the conversation. Listen up squarepants, I have a much larger angle on the world than your arkansas eyes can handle. I will leave it at that. If you knew anything about me, you would know I have served globally, and have seen good everywhere. So take off the girl pants and be civil in this conversation.

Adams

..................you said it.

 

[Jayhawkk]

Per se

/exits

 

[Manimalia]

per se (sometimes misspelled "per say" or "persay") is:

* A Latin phrase used in English arguments for "by itself" or "by themselves"

taken from the almighty wikipedia. thanks for correcting me on that one, jay. i, upon having seen this, realized i'd seen it before spelled the right way, but i just haven't used the term enough to get it set in right. i have a feeling, between you correcting me, me looking it up, me reading on it, and me posting my findings on here, i'll remember how to spell it next time regardless of that time likely being far from this moment.

thank you, sir. i take no offense in being corrected, even on the smallest of things.

 

[Jayhawkk]

LOL, I never knew how to spell it until I ended up using it on such a constant basis... I was corrected once on keelhaul

 

[DAdams91982]

there's no need to become rude. i simply didn't care for the way YOU put yourself in focus, just the way YOU did now. you took a thought from the original poster and went off on a tangent about all the good things you have done. maybe you should have formed a broader/more solid/more relevant argument.

and another thing, i'm not about to have a forum-based tinkle contest. i'm not so dumb as to be baited. your inflammatory, rude, and ignorant remarks have no effect on me. you are no more than i am, and even if you were, it won't be proven through a computer...sarge.

Again, your view is skewed. HE brought in a personal event, I brought in a personal event. HE put his views in focus, I put my views in focus. NOW YOU put yourself in focus. Where are you not getting this?

Im not trying to bait you, or start a pissing match. You made an assumption of myself, I in turn showed you the error of your ways.

'nuff said.

Adams

 

[b unit]

It's not everyday that I see someone get hit by a car, then have the person that hit them drive off as fast as they can.

makes you wonder, what the f~ck is going on?

where's Frank Castle, aka The Punisher when we need him?

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[DmitryWI]

Manimalia, dude, there's no "only black or white" in this world, like you want to convince someone here :think: They both exist, what you chose to have or/and see in your life is up to you.
Have you ever seen movie or read the book called "The Secret" or book "Conversations with God" by Neal Donald Walsch?
I don't wanna turn this thread into some kind of religious/spiritual debate, but you should check those out, it might show you the world from a little different angle. Who knows you might even like it.

 

[Manimalia]

dmitry and dadams, i'll come clean and tell you both that i understand what you both are saying. the world, i can admit, confuses the **** out of me. i think both of you bring good points, the most positive of and constructive of points. honestly, i become a bit crazed when i get to thinking about existence. i won't get into religions either, but i'll say this to clarify my ramblings:i don't know why/how exactly existence came to be and that's enough to drive me nuts in this world full of answerable questions. why do i exist? that question is the source of my everything, and i'll likely never know why.

so i apologize. i get a bit nuts when something brings up that question in my head. people who generally feel that they have no answer to this question, the biggest question, tend to be a bit....crazy....sometimes, in my experience anyways. i love religion and wish i had been born into a family that embraced faith. forgive me, y'all

Eric.

 

[DmitryWI]

If you really want answers to those questions, then again I would recommend "Conversations with God" book to read. It's not one of those Bible or religion based books, it's something... different? new? I don't know... It answered a lot of questions for me, not all of them but made me think...

 

[T-Bone]

Check out this video.

What is wrong with people these days?,

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[ReaperX]

I was listening on the radio again. This was even more depressing to be honest.


It was talking about soldiers in Iraq and their wives. There was a bunch of callers calling in, etc, etc and one guy said that when he was in Iraq, one of his fellow solider's wife sent a video tape. The first 10 minutes was their son's birthday, then she filmed herself cheating on him with some other guy, so it was basically like a porno. Everyone saw it.

After that they took his guns away from him immediately and put him under suicide watch.

So here his situation is:

-In Iraq (hell hole)
-Wife cheated on him
-Away from his family
-Probably depressed
-Embarassed in front of everyone.



......there were a lot of similar stories like this which I don't doubt. On top of that a lot of ppl in Iraq have support from their family, wives, etc from the states, so once those things go south, what's supposed to happen then ?






Anyways, then there was another caller that called and is like, my friend's wife is cheating on him, and I'm not sure if I should tell him since he's in Iraq, or just wait till he gets back, etc, etc.

 

[ReaperX]

What is wrong with people these days?,

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Yeah I saw this the other day. It appeared that there were not too many people running to him or concerned after it happened.


.......but oh yeah a few people called 911, whoop-de-doo.

 

[ReaperX]

the bigger focus is not so much the 'action', but what the person's true intent is in their heart.


even if someone does some 'good deed', there's nothing to say that it isn't done for selfish reasons, etc, etc,.

 

[T-Bone]

the bigger focus is not so much the 'action', but what the person's true intent is in their heart.


even if someone does some 'good deed', there's nothing to say that it isn't done for selfish reasons, etc, etc,.

Right, like people that go to Church just for show or social hour. They don't really pay attention and you know just by looking at how they act that they really don't want to be there.

 

[Palo Alto Labs]

What is wrong with people these days?,

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I would have helped...

but devils advocate...people are afraid to help.. they will get sued these days.


thats just sad thou... i couldnt imagine seeing someone hit an old dude and for me to just keep walking

 

[Trauma1]

I would have helped...

but devils advocate...people are afraid to help.. they will get sued these days.


thats just sad thou... i couldnt imagine seeing someone hit an old dude and for me to just keep walking

You hit the nail right on the head dave. Even the common law of 'Good Samaritin' is a joke. I know somebody that was sued and lost for helping someone in need.

I surely would have helped the guy, but i also worked trauma for the last 9 years and know what to do with what i have in that type of situation, which in all reality without equipment isn't much anyway. However, just being there for someone that is injured is helpful in itself.

Funny enough this happened in Hartford, ct......not too far from waterbury where i grew up.

 

[T-Bone]

You hit the nail right on the head dave. Even the common law of 'Good Samaritin' is a joke. I know somebody that was sued and lost for helping someone in need.

I surely would have helped the guy, but i also worked trauma for the last 9 years and know what to do with what i have in that type of situation, which in all reality without equipment isn't much anyway. However, just being there for someone that is injured is helpful in itself.

Funny enough this happened in Hartford, ct......not too far from waterbury where i grew up.

I'm from CT also Trauma. Lived in Middlefield and Middletown. This is part of the reason I moved up North. To get away from all the craziness down there. Most people down there are too high strung and stressed out, drive like it is a race and are just un-freindly. I don't like the crime rate either.

 

[T-Bone]

I'm thinking of moving even farther up north now....

 

[Trauma1]

I'm from CT also Trauma. Lived in Middlefield and Middletown. This is part of the reason I moved up North. To get away from all the craziness down there. Most people down there are too high strung and stressed out, drive like it is a race and are just un-freindly. I don't like the crime rate either.

Damn, no kidding. I was up in middletown quite often. Cheers my CT brother. :drunk: