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PCT for first cycle H-Drol?

youngt8894

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Right now I am running Hdrol 50/75/75/75/75/75. I was thinking of just using an OTC pct as it seems that Hdrol is pretty mild and people have been just fine doing this. I am currently in possession of TS2 by shocker nutrtition(trib+6oxo) and Post Cycle Support as possible supps to use in my pct. At first i ordered the TS2 but after doing further research the sides looked bad so i ordered the Post Cycle Support. My question is, would it be fine to run Post Cycle Support as pct or should i add some lean xtreme and other goodies to the mix?
 
Get a SERM. Post Cycle Support is good but don't rely soley on it. I'd get another test booster as well. I took it day 10 of PCT though. Everything returned to normal just took a little longer than I wanted. The Lean Xtreme works well.
 
It's your call, but I'd add in something stronger. I had a SERM on hand and actually opted not to bring it into play after H-drol and I was shut down for a decent amount of time. Everything came back just fine, but it took longer than it should've.

You'll be happy you didn't go just OTC.
 
Im debating on the same issue, im about to run h-drol 50/50/75/75/75/ and for PCT im actually using pretty close to what you are im gonna be running post cycle support [closest thing i could find to PCT assist which is on back order everywhere]. also ill be running shocker nutrition TS2, lean extreame and DAA. Im trying to stay away from serms if i can help it several buddies have had very bad experiences. I know there most effective and actually cheaper but trying to do OTC.
 
liftsalot said:
Im debating on the same issue, im about to run h-drol 50/50/75/75/75/ and for PCT im actually using pretty close to what you are im gonna be running post cycle support [closest thing i could find to PCT assist which is on back order everywhere]. also ill be running shocker nutrition TS2, lean extreame and DAA. Im trying to stay away from serms if i can help it several buddies have had very bad experiences. I know there most effective and actually cheaper but trying to do OTC.
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Better be safe than sorry, you SHOULD run a SERM with h-drol...but if you don't want to, that's up to you...but I would keep it on hand just in case...

What were these bad issues that happened to several buddies of yours? How did they know it was based on SERMs?

I'm willing to bet that you watched videos in HS of bad things happening to other teenagers drinking etc, and you still drank...

And I'll be honest, at 139 lbs you can eat 2900 cals a day and gain weight and put on muscle, you don't need h-drol for that.
 
One of my gym buddies got liver toxicity and had problems with erection disdunction. He still is having problems with that. He ran nolva 30/30/20/10 after havoc that was 20/30/30/40. His doctor told him more than likley it was from the nolva. He didn't have any symptoms until like the third week of pct. and yes I agree I'm on a different routine right now and am actually taking in around 3300 quality calories a day. Trying to max out naturally before I brink h-drol to the game. I also have E-stane but probably gonna run h-drol first.
 
Yeah the reason i am staying away from SERMs are because of the bad side effects i have been hearing about, and that a lot of people say hdrol is so mild that a SERM isnt technically necesarry, especially because i am not going above 75mg. But i just can't imagine that my "Post Cycle Support" is enough to fully recover.
 
liftsalot said:
One of my gym buddies got liver toxicity and had problems with erection disdunction. He still is having problems with that. He ran nolva 30/30/20/10 after havoc that was 20/30/30/40. His doctor told him more than likley it was from the nolva. He didn't have any symptoms until like the third week of pct. and yes I agree I'm on a different routine right now and am actually taking in around 3300 quality calories a day. Trying to max out naturally before I brink h-drol to the game. I also have E-stane but probably gonna run h-drol first.
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I'll give you ED being caused by Nolva...
But keep in mind that H-drol affects everyone differently, some peoples libido go through the roof, and others tank....Usually when you shutdown, it will tank... So what if you do get ED while on the cycle, wouldn't you rather just use the Nolva on top of it, I mean it's not going to make matters any worse.

Liver toxicity...your buddy ran Epistane 4 weeks prior to Nolva, that means that the liver was taking a beating for 4 weeks prior to the use of Nolva.

And there's also the issue of if your friend knew what he was doing etc, was he taking support supps prior, during, and after the cycle (during PCT). Did he go out drinking? Pop tylenol pills? Too many factors to consider.

PS, the doctor has heard of Nolva before, but he hasn't heard of Epi/Havoc...

Give me a multiple choice question on a test and If I don't know the answer, I will choose the option that I've heard before...doesn't mean I'll necessarily be right.
 
Ya his cycle was clean cycle support all through out cycle and pct. Ya I know the Dr don't know much about havoc but they know what they are and what they do. Ya i know what u mean libido affects everyone different I got shut down coming off furazadrol ran solo as my first ph so that's why I'm concerned with h-drol I actually am concerning serm. Maybe you or someone can help me understand this I know nolva blocks estrogen but how does that help stimulate hpta function faster than over the counter AI's? Is it because it helps return natural Lh out putby completly blocking estrogen?
 
I plan on running the same HDROl cycle and I have reversitol v2, PCS, Lean Xtreme and DAA but would love to have nolva on hand
 
liftsalot said:
Maybe you or someone can help me understand this I know nolva blocks estrogen but how does that help stimulate hpta function faster than over the counter AI's? Is it because it helps return natural Lh out putby completly blocking estrogen?
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After a cycle is finished, steroid/androgen levels drop a ton, and your body attempts to keep a hormonal balance, so it produces hormones in order to do so. You're boys have turned the lights off and went into hibernation mode, so they won't produce T, as a result, your body is left with the option of producing large number of estrogen.

Nolvadex blocks estrogen passively. That is, they bind and attach themselves to estrogen receptors, and as a result, they occupy the estrogen receptors IMMEDIATELY.

As a result of the estrogen levels not working, the SERM causes your body to realize that there is a serious issue going on and to kickstart the boys production asap, rather than to allow them to take their sweet time. So the hypothalamus gets stimulated, which stimulates pituary gland to release gonad hormones which are the FSH and LH. The FSH signals for more testosterone to be produced, and the LH signals for more testosterone to be released.


An AI blocks estrogen actively. An AI goes after estrogen directly and reduces it by competing for the aromatase enzyme. While this is a great method for reducing estrogen, it takes roughly 2 weeks for it to work, and that is for prescription AI. OTC's also take the same amount of time, as you see most people saying "wait til week 3" when someone is using an OTC AI. It should be noted, however, that OTC is no where near as close to being effective as prescription grade AI.

People who want to increase their test levels naturally, regardless of if they did a cycle or not, usually stack an AI with a free test booster, and the AI is run 2 weeks solo, and the latter product is introduced during week 3.

Novedex XT by Gaspari (discontinued; but still available) is an example of AI, which many n00b's get confused for Nolvadex.

There is also BPI's Airmedex HD or A-HD which is an AI and sounds awfully close to the prescription AI called Airmidex, don't ya think? But is it as effective? ...... LOL!

So basically, this is why you see SERMS preached, along with the use of a natural test booster / AI product.
 
KashMoni said:
After a cycle is finished, steroid/androgen levels drop a ton, and your body attempts to keep a hormonal balance, so it produces hormones in order to do so. You're boys have turned the lights off and went into hibernation mode, so they won't produce T, as a result, your body is left with the option of producing large number of estrogen.

Nolvadex blocks estrogen passively. That is, they bind and attach themselves to estrogen receptors, and as a result, they occupy the estrogen receptors IMMEDIATELY.

As a result of the estrogen levels not working, the SERM causes your body to realize that there is a serious issue going on and to kickstart the boys production asap, rather than to allow them to take their sweet time. So the hypothalamus gets stimulated, which stimulates pituary gland to release gonad hormones which are the FSH and LH. The FSH signals for more testosterone to be produced, and the LH signals for more testosterone to be released.


An AI blocks estrogen actively. An AI goes after estrogen directly and reduces it by competing for the aromatase enzyme. While this is a great method for reducing estrogen, it takes roughly 2 weeks for it to work, and that is for prescription AI. OTC's also take the same amount of time, as you see most people saying "wait til week 3" when someone is using an OTC AI. It should be noted, however, that OTC is no where near as close to being effective as prescription grade AI.

People who want to increase their test levels naturally, regardless of if they did a cycle or not, usually stack an AI with a free test booster, and the AI is run 2 weeks solo, and the latter product is introduced during week 3.

Novedex XT by Gaspari (discontinued; but still available) is an example of AI, which many n00b's get confused for Nolvadex.

There is also BPI's Airmedex HD or A-HD which is an AI and sounds awfully close to the prescription AI called Airmidex, don't ya think? But is it as effective? ...... LOL!

So basically, this is why you see SERMS preached, along with the use of a natural test booster / AI product.
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Thanks for the info bro makes since, that always confused me how a SERM actually works and kicking in natural test production sooner than over the counter AI's. Im still kinda on the fence about running H-drol i want to really bad but dont want boobies LOL. Sounds like from what ive been reaserching its always a risk even with a SERM but of course less likey with one. I found a site that sells nolva 60 10mg for $40.00 with free shipping cheapest i could find. But now that i have all the other OTC stuff that i ran out and bought i aint got the coin for it lol. I was also just reading about DAA, had planned on using it in my PCT but just read you can get gyno and male patteren bauldness from that also :think: so now im really confussed LOL maye ill just sell all my sh*t i have on ebay and go natural LOL. Any non hormonal test boosters out there that give good results? Would TS2 be good to run solo?
 
would any of you guys recommend extremepeptide.com to buy the nolva since it is a legal "research chemical" site? Also, when i take the nolva do i start immediately the first day of PCT and should i stack it with anything like a cortisol blocker?
 
youngt8894 said:
is including a cortisol blocker really gonna do much in pct at 75mg hdrol?
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Including a cortisol control product in PCT is optional. It is supposed to be a helpful measure, so if you have the fund, I would include it in any PCT regimen, and not just from H-drol at 75mg.
 
do you think i'm fine without one if i don't have the money? I'm actually already 5 days into pct, and i'm still gaining a little strength. My weight has dropped maybe half a pound, and i gained around 12 pounds on cycle.
 
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