PapaPump's CJC-1295/GHRP-6 6-month Run

[pumbertot]

Ok, let's try this: All those who are using GHRP and/or CJC and injecting IM, riase your hands.

Mine is not raised.

I do sometimes if im lazy and I have a pegmgf/mgf/slin IM inject and just add them to the syringe.

Dont be a wise-ass with me little boy. :bruce1: j/k.

Hey pump any updated pics? You wanted to see me, well thats my right bicep with my old best friend (Mr 650kV Zapper) around 6 years ago.

 

[papapumpsd]

I do sometimes if im lazy and I have a pegmgf/mgf/slin IM inject and just add them to the syringe.

Dont be a wise-ass with me little boy. :bruce1: j/k.

Hey pump any updated pics? You wanted to see me, well thats my right bicep with my old best friend (Mr 650kV Zapper) around 6 years ago.

he heee!

Hmmm, I contemplated on taking some pics, but what's the point of publicly humiliating myself? :donut:

I should, though, just take some for progress-sake.

I was going to ask you if that was your arm in your avi. Pretty solid man! Yes, you're bigger than me, and no, there was never any doubt. ha ha.

What's w/the stun gun? Do you use that on the kids or what?

 

[pumbertot]

he heee!

Hmmm, I contemplated on taking some pics, but what's the point of publicly humiliating myself? :donut:

I should, though, just take some for progress-sake.

I was going to ask you if that was your arm in your avi. Pretty solid man! Yes, you're bigger than me, and no, there was never any doubt. ha ha.

What's w/the stun gun? Do you use that on the kids or what?

Havent owned it since 2005, before my kids were born but yeah thats probably a good idea. No since I worked as a Doorman on and off for over 12 years, its great when you are well outnumbered. Crowd control.

Well you looked god in your earlier pics, would be usefull to see the progress especially as you arent running AAS.

One day you will get to see full pics of me, once Ive recovered all the lost pec size from the last 3 years of wasting(being half attached).

 

[papapumpsd]

Havent owned it since 2005, before my kids were born but yeah thats probably a good idea. No since I worked as a Doorman on and off for over 12 years, its great when you are well outnumbered. Crowd control.

Well you looked god in your earlier pics, would be usefull to see the progress especially as you arent running AAS.

One day you will get to see full pics of me, once Ive recovered all the lost pec size from the last 3 years of wasting(being half attached).

Doorman? You mean a bouncer?

Yes, ok, I'll take some photos. My strength is up and my gf says my calves/legs look bigger so I must be gaining muscle. I have been slackin' on the diet though....earlier on I was a human garbage disposal.....eating everything in sight.

 

[pumbertot]

Doorman? You mean a bouncer?

Yes, ok, I'll take some photos. My strength is up and my gf says my calves/legs look bigger so I must be gaining muscle. I have been slackin' on the diet though....earlier on I was a human garbage disposal.....eating everything in sight.

Yeah bouncer, thought you yanks called them Doormen.lol.

The opposite for me, Ive been really strict with mostly zero carb meals, except PWO shake for last 4 weeks.
Also I started my first ever run of DNP 4 days ago.
Hot hot hot!!!!!

 

[papapumpsd]

Yeah bouncer, thought you yanks called them Doormen.lol.

The opposite for me, Ive been really strict with mostly zero carb meals, except PWO shake for last 4 weeks.
Also I started my first ever run of DNP 4 days ago.
Hot hot hot!!!!!

Many of my meals are zero carb (just protein/fiber/fat). I need to continue to buckle down. This new g/f...I tell ya...she's one of those people that can make a chocolate cake and only eat a little sliver once in a while. WHO DOES THAT?! I have a huge sweet tooth and the GHRP is NOT helping me avoid carbs. lol. Don't worry, the mirror is REALLY kicking my a$$!

DNP.....I have heard that it is very dangerous stuff, but I have not personally looked into it too much. I know you've been around the BB block a while and prob. understand all the pros/cons to it bro. I just think it's too risky for weight loss. A good thermo cuts my appetite and gets me amped. Good enough for me. I haven't used one in ages though. Good luck and careful w/the DNP.

 

[Bobaslaw]

Actually in his thread im sure Dat mentioned some other local effect GHRP6 has. Unless I dreamt it, but I certainly remember seeing something. Dat please chime in, tell me im not crazy.
Well I am of course but I mean in this instance.

You are correct... however, it still has no bearing whether you are crazy or not

Posts 268 and 271 of "Dat's Temporary Notepad" provide a couple of studies on "local" myocyte GHS-R action. Post 273 is a response with a few additional related thoughts.

Regarding you being Crazy, though (as I read post 273 again). It's Ironic how the very 1st line in Post 273 has to to with all 3 of us being F-ed in the head, lol.

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[pumbertot]

You are correct... however, it still has no bearing whether you are crazy or not

Posts 268 and 271 of "Dat's Temporary Notepad" provide a couple of studies on "local" myocyte GHS-R action. Post 273 is a response with a few additional related thoughts.

Regarding you being Crazy, though (as I read post 273 again). It's Ironic how the very 1st line in Post 273 has to to with all 3 of us being F-ed in the head, lol.

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Haha the 3 loons.

 

[ragnar]

Dont assume because you have not suffered an injury that means your technique is safe either, just doesnt work that way with the flat benchpress. It is a scientific fact that at the bottom of the movement the pec insertion at the humerous is in a vulnerable position and under extreme stretch regardless of the position of the shoulders/shoulder blades.

Hey, Pumb. Thanks for the thoughts. I don't want to muddy Papa's peptide thread with a discussion of the bench press, but I would like to say that I think there are numerous variables to account for when someone tears a pec during the exercise. So it might be a bit too simple to blame an injury on the stretch at the pec insertions. I'm not saying, of course, that that's not the case in your particular situation. I just don't think that your experience can be universally applied. Anyway, as I said earlier, I'm not an apologist for the bench press and I have no dog in this fight. But feel free to shoot me a PM if you want to exchange more thoughts, bro.

 

[datBtrue]

... I would like to say that I think there are numerous variables to account for when someone tears a pec during the exercise.

Actually SoCo4Fun posted a study, post #10 in the best thread on the internet Invalid Link Removed that specifically addressed this topic.

"Research has demonstrated that a wide grip (>1.5 biacromial width) may increase the risk of shoulder injury, including anterior shoulder instability, atraumatic osteolysis of distal clavicle, and pectoralis major rupture. Reducing grip width to ≤1.5 biacromial width appears to reduce this risk and does not affect muscle recruitment patterns, only resulting in a ±5% difference in one repetition maximum." - The Affect of Grip Width on Bench Press Performance and Risk of Injury​

Stop by post #29 and pay your respects to Farah Fawcett while you're at it.

Stop by post #33 & #34 to learn how you should bench press for maximum muscle gain.

 

[datBtrue]

...Also I started my first ever run of DNP 4 days ago.
Hot hot hot!!!!!

Eat some carbs...stay well hydrated...take plenty of antioxidants....supplement with T3 by day 10...

DNP results will never be as good as they are the first time. You'll establish a new easy to hold setpoint in your weight.

Pssst bro....did you know that your arm is red? Don't ever over cook yourself.

 

[ragnar]

Actually SoCo4Fun posted a study, post #10 in the best thread on the internet Invalid Link Removed that specifically addressed this topic.

Yeah, I repped you awhile back for that thread, Dat!

The study posted supports what I've tried to say. It's not the bench press per se that's the problem but the way that it's performed.

But even here there are a number of variables. E.g., the authors recommend stopping the bar 4-6cm short of the chest. But that doesn't ideally account for different body types. I'm a barrel-chested guy with relatively short arms. My pecs are at least a few and a half inches thick. So I may be experiencing even less anterior tilt of the humerii than a lanky flat-chested guy who's stopping the bar a few cm short of his chest. Thus, telling people to just stop short of full ROM is a bit simplistic, IMHO.

And this is to say nothing of the variables introduced by training load, frequency, rotator cuff balance, flexibility of the internal rotators, caloric intake, AAS, etc., when it comes to injuries while bench pressing.

All I'm saying is that it's too easy to vilify the bench press and it's not entirely fair in a lot of cases. But I'll drop the matter as far as this thread is concerned. At the rate that Papa's growing on the CJC and GHRP, it won't be long before he's big enough to body slam me!

 

[datBtrue]

...that doesn't ideally account for different body types.... Thus, telling people to just stop short of full ROM is a bit simplistic, IMHO.

Agreed. But at least it gets people thinking about their arm position and the point where the delts take on more work.

What I find the most simplistic is the conventional wisdom that you MUST, irregardless of your forearm length, touch your chest with the bar.

With my proportions I can not get my hands down even with my chest unless I have a weighted bar that forces it down those last few inches. That is dangerous and unproductive.

So yes I agree with you about set rules people with different structures MUST follow.

And this is to say nothing of the variables introduced by training load, frequency, rotator cuff balance, flexibility of the internal rotators, caloric intake, AAS, etc., when it comes to injuries while bench pressing.

True. I agree with you.

All I'm saying is that it's too easy to vilify the bench press and it's not entirely fair in a lot of cases. But I'll drop the matter as far as this thread is concerned.

No don't do that. This thread is a men's locker room. We've got fat asses, skinny asses and just plain asses sitting around whining about our aches and pains, staring at the Farrah Fawcett poster that was put up 30 years ago and talking bodybuilding.

At the rate that Papa's growing on the CJC and GHRP, it won't be long before he's big enough to body slam me!

Papa is p@ssy whipped. :whip: I had to say it. His girl has him eating chocolate cake...one sliver at a time! I don't think he'll be body slamming anyone anytime soon.:lol:

 

[papapumpsd]

Agreed. But at least it gets people thinking about their arm position and the point where the delts take on more work.

What I find the most simplistic is the conventional wisdom that you MUST, irregardless of your forearm length, touch your chest with the bar.

With my proportions I can not get my hands down even with my chest unless I have a weighted bar that forces it down those last few inches. That is dangerous and unproductive.

So yes I agree with you about set rules people with different structures MUST follow.



True. I agree with you.



No don't do that. This thread is a men's locker room. We've got fat asses, skinny asses and just plain asses sitting around whining about our aches and pains, staring at the Farrah Fawcett poster that was put up 30 years ago and talking bodybuilding.



Papa is p@ssy whipped. :whip: I had to say it. His girl has him eating chocolate cake...one sliver at a time! I don't think he'll be body slamming anyone anytime soon.:lol:

That's it! It's go time big boy!!....You better borrow Pumb's stun gun cause you gonna need that and a rusty bike chain!

:rofl:

 

[pumbertot]

Hey, Pumb. Thanks for the thoughts. I don't want to muddy Papa's peptide thread with a discussion of the bench press, but I would like to say that I think there are numerous variables to account for when someone tears a pec during the exercise. So it might be a bit too simple to blame an injury on the stretch at the pec insertions. I'm not saying, of course, that that's not the case in your particular situation. I just don't think that your experience can be universally applied. Anyway, as I said earlier, I'm not an apologist for the bench press and I have no dog in this fight. But feel free to shoot me a PM if you want to exchange more thoughts, bro.

Probably came out wrong with my benchpres scaremongering tactics! No you do make some very valid points that will increase the safety of the exercise, all I'm saying is too many people assume those with pec ruptures while benching were doing something incorrectly such as sloppy movement or not warming up which is far from the truth in most instances.

The width of the grip is definitely a factor. And im like dat, where when benching just an empty bar its very hard for it to touch my pecs so since I always benched deep and on that fatefull day I was on a narrow bench too, that could well have been a major factor. Also my love, at the time, for high test based cycles also would be afactor in terms of both strength and possible negative effects on collagen synthesis.

Dat im taking in plenty of water, antioxidants and at present some T4 as I havent been able to conjure up a T3 supply yet(bloody Oz!!!). But ive been eating mainly fibrous carbs for past 4 weeks and was sticking too this(except PWO shake). Was hoping to let the body effect fat stores better, but do you advise to add in some complex carbs too?

Oh yeah that photo was just after 2 weeks in Turkey in summer of 2002, I was well fried with daily temps of 40C. Im not as young or stupid these days.

 

[datBtrue]

That's it! It's go time big boy!!....You better borrow Pumb's stun gun cause you gonna need that and a rusty bike chain!

I tried to use the stun gun to zap your balls but your girl told me she keeps them in a box under lock and key. :lol:

 

[datBtrue]

Dat im taking in plenty of water, antioxidants and at present some T4 as I havent been able to conjure up a T3 supply yet(bloody Oz!!!). But ive been eating mainly fibrous carbs for past 4 weeks and was sticking too this(except PWO shake). Was hoping to let the body effect fat stores better, but do you advise to add in some complex carbs too?

If you feel good doing what you're doing then stick with it.

I liked to take in a little cold fruit as a good carb source on DNP...but the first time I ran it I was in a 40+ degree Celsius envronment so I had to stay cool & keep very hydrated.

Several pounds of water weight comes off several days post-cycle and thats when you can notice the fat loss.

 

[pumbertot]

If you feel good doing what you're doing then stick with it.

I liked to take in a little cold fruit as a good carb source on DNP...but the first time I ran it I was in a 40+ degree Celsius envronment so I had to stay cool & keep very hydrated.

Several pounds of water weight comes off several days post-cycle and thats when you can notice the fat loss.

Oh and once a day I have 250g of either frozen blueberries or blackcurrents since they are a rich source of antioxidants.
Yeah its high 30s here this summer and the humidity is a killer.
Im sweating profusely 24/7.

I had read about the water weight you carry during the run. Ive read about 21 day cycles which Id like to do. Is it safer to continue longer os should I stop at that? With all the precautions im taking I thought I could run it for maybe 7 weeks.

 

[Distilled Water]

Whats the biggest difference between DNP and usnic acid?

 

[pumbertot]

Whats the biggest difference between DNP and usnic acid?

Apart from coming from different chemical classes(molecular structures) it would be that Usnic Acid is hepatoxic whereas DNP is not toxic to any organs.

 

[disgraziato]

Papa-
I've been researching cjc/ghrp-6 for 2 months now with good results starting to show......how long have you been running now? Whats the results so far from start?

 

[Distilled Water]

Apart from coming from different chemical classes(molecular structures) it would be that Usnic Acid is hepatoxic whereas DNP is not toxic to any organs.

Thanks pum!

 

[papapumpsd]

Papa-
I've been researching cjc/ghrp-6 for 2 months now with good results starting to show......how long have you been running now? Whats the results so far from start?

Well, I had to back down on my dosing. Right now I'm pinning AM/PM....100cjc/300GHRP6. So far so good. Hopefully I'll be able to add in the noon shot.

I'm up ~12lbs (5.45kg) but there's water weight (and fat) in there no doubt. I can tell you I wouldn't be mistaken for Ronnie Coleman, even if I got a dark tan.

I've been running it for ~6 weeks.

 

[datBtrue]

Oh and once a day I have 250g of either frozen blueberries or blackcurrents since they are a rich source of antioxidants.
Yeah its high 30s here this summer and the humidity is a killer.
Im sweating profusely 24/7.

I had read about the water weight you carry during the run. Ive read about 21 day cycles which Id like to do. Is it safer to continue longer os should I stop at that? With all the precautions im taking I thought I could run it for maybe 7 weeks.

You can do low doses for longer periods of time.

What happens at high dose is that by day 10 the lack supplemental thyroid hormone starts to reduce the rate of loss.

My concern with safety has always centered on oxidative stress to the eyes. Thats it.

What also seems to happen is that during the first week there is some euphoric feeling that comes along or at least you feel that you can handle DNP for a long while. By the 21st day it is just miserable....at high dose. Low dose is fine by day 21. So it is best to see how you are feeling as you go along and then make a decision as to duration.

My primary goal was to use it to metabolize fatty incursions that I had in the liver as a result of previous gastro problems. This was benign and not alcohol induced nor was it induced by fatness (as thats never been a problem). I believe I was successful in that regard.

 

[papapumpsd]

11/17/2008 (Mon.) Update

Nothing exciting to talk about.

I do want to make a note of my right forearm and hand pain. Feels like I strained my middle finger and the tendon or other tissue that's about 3" up from the wrist, in my forearm. Funny thing is, I haven't lifted anything for a while and I don't recall hurting myself recently. I woke up a couple days ago and it was painful to make a fist.

When I make a fist, there's a pain that feels like I strained something in my grip. My middle finger feels like it's sort of going numb when I make a grip, but it's hard to pinpoint which finger is causing the pain as they like to move in groups.

My morning stiffness/achiness is still present. I feel like I'm 110 yrs old upon waking. My grip strength is like a child's. I couldn't even open a new bottle of water. Had to have my 105lb g/f do it. Honest, I'm not that big of a b!tch...usually! :lol:

See circled region in below image. This is where it is tender when I press on it w/my thumb.

 

[papapumpsd]

11/18/2008 (Tues.)

Forearm is better today! I took some Tylenol yesterday and it seemed to have helped. I can't explain why my forearm/hand were feeling that way.

My hands do have that tight feeling to them when you make a gentle fist. Today it's very mild though

I haven't had any H-berry today. No headache to speak of yet. I may start up on a 3x ED protocol (add the nooner back in). I'll see how I feel the next few days.

 

[pumbertot]

11/18/2008 (Tues.)

Forearm is better today! I took some Tylenol yesterday and it seemed to have helped. I can't explain why my forearm/hand were feeling that way.

My hands do have that tight feeling to them when you make a gentle fist. Today it's very mild though

I haven't had any H-berry today. No headache to speak of yet. I may start up on a 3x ED protocol (add the nooner back in). I'll see how I feel the next few days.

I think the pain is from the water retention caused by natty GH. Sort of like carpal tunnel syndrome. I get it from both HGH and CJC/GHRP6 combo.

 

[ragnar]

What I find the most simplistic is the conventional wisdom that you MUST, irregardless of your forearm length, touch your chest with the bar.

I agree fully, Dat. In fact, the only absolute language I would use in reference to the bench press would be this:

(1) Some trainees, because of structural limitations, MUST NOT lower the bar completely to the chest.

(2) Trainees structurally suited to the exercise MUST have the scapulae retracted and depressed when the bar touches the chest.

This is especially true for those of us old enough to have had a Farrah Fawcett poster hanging in our bedrooms (or whoever recognizes the line in my signature).

Anyway, Papa doesn't look to be someone who would have trouble with full ROM bench presses. Of course, only he knows for sure. But I'm confident that he knows what he's doing.

 

[ragnar]

...all I'm saying is too many people assume those with pec ruptures while benching were doing something incorrectly such as sloppy movement or not warming up which is far from the truth in most instances.

Oh, I agree, Pumb. It's almost always more complicated than that with exerienced guys.

The width of the grip is definitely a factor. And im like dat, where when benching just an empty bar its very hard for it to touch my pecs so since I always benched deep and on that fatefull day I was on a narrow bench too, that could well have been a major factor. Also my love, at the time, for high test based cycles also would be afactor in terms of both strength and possible negative effects on collagen synthesis.

Again, I agree. Far too many guys use far too wide of a grip, flare the elbows too much, and lower the bar too close to the clavicle. I was guilty of all of these things in my youth.

The fact that you were using a different bench and were on high levels of test certainly gives me pause. I think that sometimes we underestimate how much we redistribute stress when making even small changes in body position, etc. This is especially true, I think, when we're using maximal loads. And, tending toward the conservative side, I'm leery of going beyond TRT levels (or touching something like Winny) ever since my back injury.

 

[ragnar]

11/18/2008 (Tues.)

Forearm is better today! I took some Tylenol yesterday and it seemed to have helped. I can't explain why my forearm/hand were feeling that way.

You know that I feel your pain, Papa. I, too, feel like a feeble old man when I get out of bed in the morning. Walking down the stairs from my bedroom gets more challenging each day with these achy knees. The funny thing is that I never had any knee problems prior to the GH.

I also have aches in my forearms and hands, and an almost constant tingling in my fingertips. I swear that I drop at least a half dozen pills onto the floor each day because of these darn fingers. And then my knees won't bend enough to pick the pills up! :frustrate

 

[disgraziato]

I have def. noticed stiffness as of late, esp. in the wrists and elbows. Takes me a good 3 or 4 sets before I can loosen it up and start training heavier...but its pretty painful.

 

[papapumpsd]

11/19/2008 (Thurs)

Weight: 215lbs

I appear bigger (more muscular) so that makes me happy. It's not all fat

I had a good workout today. Did chest/traps/tris/back/abs

I only do ~1 exercise per muscle group and hit them 2x EW. The only muscles sore on my today are chest and tris. I did decline bench and worked up to 315 x 8 for final set. Felt good.

For back, I did bent over BB rows followed by a couple sets of lat pulldowns.

It is Friday yet?!

 

[disgraziato]

Bro-
With the protocol, do you find that doing multiple bodyparts and only 1 set per is better than 1 bodypart per day? I too have put on alot of weight - in a month 25lbs....some fat,absolutely, but def. tons of mass....

 

[papapumpsd]

Bro-
With the protocol, do you find that doing multiple bodyparts and only 1 set per is better than 1 bodypart per day? I too have put on alot of weight - in a month 25lbs....some fat,absolutely, but def. tons of mass....

Is it better? Well, it's better for me. I like to hit each muscle 2x EW. I could NEVER hit one bodypart per day. I would be way too sore to hit it >1x EW. I get sore from one exercise per muscle group often times.

I do not work a sore muscle. So, in order for me to hit ea. muscle 2x EW, I need to do less exercises & less sets so I don't get excessively sore. My working sets have intensity, especially my final working set which is usually to failure.

I really don't have a workout protocol set in stone. I'm constantly changing exercises up, sets, speed of movement, ROM, etc. I lift based on my energy levels, flexibility, "feel good" rating for the day, ect.

Recently though, I have been toying with various ROMs (Range Of Motions) and weights in an attempt to find the sweet spot, which, IMO, would be defined as the weight that allows me to bang through a good 8-10 set with each rep's concentric and eccentric speed and motion being identical.

Thanks for chiming in bud

TGIF!

 

[disgraziato]

np, I appreciate your thread, it's nice to compare effects with fellow researchers...

 

[papapumpsd]

11/21/2008 (Fri)

Weight: 216lbs

I will try to post some photos today.

 

[papapumpsd]

11/22/2008 (Sat.)

Photos taken today. I'm ~216lbs here.

The one of me in the t-shirt was prob. taken a couple weeks ago or something.....can't remember. The g/f was being a goof and got a shot of me stuffing my face. Surprised the camera held up.

WOW these images look like garbage. Sorry...not sure why. But you get the idea.

 

[ragnar]

Lookin' full, Papa!

 

[papapumpsd]

Lookin' full, Papa!

I know, full of water, huh?! :lol:

Thanks Rag.

 

[ragnar]

I know, full of water, huh?! :lol:

Thanks Rag.

It looks to me like you've put on considerable thickness since your IGF-1 log, bud. If I saw you and had to guess your weight, I'd put you considerably higher than 216. In fact, as I look at your pictures, I wonder how the one inch of height that I have on you allows for a 25-pound difference in our body weights. We have remarkably similar builds and compositions at present. Are you sure we weren't separated at birth? I get the same sides from increased GH that you do, including the dreaded water retention.

 

[datBtrue]

Hey Papa have you found that balance yet where recomp effects take place?

By that I mean where your waist/belly shrinks a little week to week but your overall thickness & weight go up?

You said you wanted to lose some fat...you are holding water...and you have plenty of thickness...and this is going to be a nice long run of peptide usage...so you might want to make some changes to give you subtle week to week changes.

If the GHRP-6 makes you hungry pre-bed then take it a little earlier and then eat 20 minutes later and hit the sack on a full stomach.

Anyway I'm not sure exactly where you want to take your body. If you want a Matt Dufresne body you need some more mass over time. If you're happy with the mass you have then you might want to bring the bodyfat down and focus on weak areas.

If you are still b1tching about side-effects then I can tell you if you drop some bodyfat the sides will be less and the water won't be as bad.

 

[papapumpsd]

Hey Papa have you found that balance yet where recomp effects take place?

By that I mean where your waist/belly shrinks a little week to week but your overall thickness & weight go up?

You said you wanted to lose some fat...you are holding water...and you have plenty of thickness...and this is going to be a nice long run of peptide usage...so you might want to make some changes to give you subtle week to week changes.

If the GHRP-6 makes you hungry pre-bed then take it a little earlier and then eat 20 minutes later and hit the sack on a full stomach.

Anyway I'm not sure exactly where you want to take your body. If you want a Matt Dufresne body you need some more mass over time. If you're happy with the mass you have then you might want to bring the bodyfat down and focus on weak areas.

If you are still b1tching about side-effects then I can tell you if you drop some bodyfat the sides will be less and the water won't be as bad.

Hey bud! I think I have nearly found that balance (recomp) right now actually. I'm still toying with my cals and eating habits and cardio. I am going to keep tweaking until I can actually lose a bit of fat each week as I'd like to be a bit leaner as I keep adding mass. I'm not comfortable at this level (aesthetically speaking).

I completely agree with your logic of losing some fat week to week since this'll be a longer run and I'll be able to add mass while dropping a bit of fat as I progress.

I am planning on adding in an oral, but that won't be until after Xmas most likely. I can't afford to be much bigger as my clothes will be worthless. I've already bought bigger sizes and that's all I'm going to buy! If I did a DS/PH now, I'd prob. gain 10-15 more lbs and it'd be just too much. So, I'll lean out a bit 1st then hit the oral up.

Regarding the GHRP-6 and hunger, my evening dose is usually pre-bedtime but I do eat before I hit the sack. My issue is that when I'm low carbing it (carb cut-off ~6pm on NON training days), my body tricks me into eating. By this I mean it gets me up in the middle of the night to eat carbs. It's sleep eating and it's REALLY annoying when I'm trying to recomp. Last night though, I actually slept all the way through the night. I do not know why. I really need to work on keeping myself in bed.

Oh, and no, I'm not happy with the mass I have. Judging by my progress thus far, my shorter-term goal is ~205lbs @ 7% by April. That's assuming a 4-6 week run on an oral and me keeping my CJC/GHRP going for the full 6-months.

What % bodyfat do you think I'm at now? If I'm ~16% now, I'll need to gain 9-10 lbs lean muscle and drop ~20lbs fat to reach my 205 @ 7% goal. Is that possible in the next ~4 months? I'll just have to try and see

Oh, and if anyone would like to give me pointers on weak spots, please, do so. I know my photos are pretty cruddy and I don't have a lot of angles to base judgement on, but if any standout, please comment.

I'm dying to get my legs moving as soon as I can get my back pumps taken care of. I had to do leg press again Fri. night. felt good at 10pps x 8. Weight is moving up.

 

[ragnar]

Hey bud! I think I have nearly found that balance (recomp) It's sleep eating and it's REALLY annoying when I'm trying to recomp.

Dude, do you mean you're eating without being conscious of the fact? Do you know what you're actually eating? That would be wild!

I'd guess you to be around 15% bodyfat. That's what I'm at following my back injury. And, as I mentioned earlier, we're similar in composition. I don't know if I'd put you above the 15% mark. You're smooth, but I see separation between muscle groups. Plus, the bloat can make you look smoother than you actually are.

As for weakesses, judging by the middle picture above, I'd say you need to work on that helmet hair!

 

[papapumpsd]

Dude, do you mean you're eating without being conscious of the fact? Do you know what you're actually eating? That would be wild!

I'd guess you to be around 15% bodyfat. That's what I'm at following my back injury. And, as I mentioned earlier, we're similar in composition. I don't know if I'd put you above the 15% mark. You're smooth, but I see separation between muscle groups. Plus, the bloat can make you look smoother than you actually are.

As for weakesses, judging by the middle picture above, I'd say you need to work on that helmet hair!

LOL, helmet hair. Ya, I know, I'm no artist, that's for sure! :lol:

Well, for my sleep eating, sometimes I'm partly conscious. It's strange because my brain gets me out of bed for some ridiculous and completely phony reason (spiders in my bed, take a leak, some noise I need to go investigate, etc). Now that I'm up and stumbling around, I make my way to the kitchen and I'm foraging around. I'm partly conscious because I remember a lot of this. But, my brain says, "Yo, you need carbs. You can't workout w/o carbs, so ya, go ahead and eat them!". And some other part of my brain says, "Ya, I'm such an idiot, of course I need carbs. It's ok for me to eat now." And....I eat.

Sometimes I do not recall what I've eaten There have been mornings when I wake up and there are 2 cereal bowls next to my bed! WTF?! When did I get up? When did I eat that?! Weird man.

MUST....CONTROL....SLEEP EATING! :donut:

 

[ragnar]

There have been mornings when I wake up and there are 2 cereal bowls next to my bed! WTF?! When did I get up? When did I eat that?! Weird man.

Holy crap! That means that, unless you're a two-fisted cereal eater, you were up twice in one night! Maybe you need to put little alarms on the cupboards and fridge so you'll wake up whenever your body goes on a quest for mid-night feeds! But, hey, as long as there's not a bloody knife or pair of strange boxers next to your bed, it's all good! :rofl:

 

[disgraziato]

LOL, papa it looks like were on the same page....I keep having to buy jeans and shirts cuz my **** doesn't fit me anymore.....and I know those larger clothes will be worthless when I do my spring cutter....but its either new clothes or potato sacks....not a fashion guru but that would be over the line, I think...:burger:

 

[papapumpsd]

11/24/2008 (Mon.)

Well, I will be incorporating T3 @ 25mcg ED for ~3 months starting in the next week or so.

Following some advice from another bro...thanks for the T3 recommendation

I'm hoping it'll help relieve some of the GH sides. And it should help me drop a little fat as I progress. I'm not too fond of ephedrine and the related hyperactivity I get from it (don't like feeling tweaked out) so I try to stay away from those types of thermos. Plus, I enjoy my COFFEE!

 

[MentalTwitch]

What about some natty diuretics? The only issue would be blood pressure then. OR Clen, but once again blood pressure.

You look like a bear to say the least but well controlled and not just fat.
Hows the strength been? Joints?

Yea, as everyone said and you know water is there but itll fall off in no time with cardio and once the cycle nears end.

Keep it up!

 

[papapumpsd]

What about some natty diuretics? The only issue would be blood pressure then. OR Clen, but once again blood pressure.

You look like a bear to say the least but well controlled and not just fat.
Hows the strength been? Joints?

Yea, as everyone said and you know water is there but itll fall off in no time with cardio and once the cycle nears end.

Keep it up!

Mornin' MT I have some Dandelion but I think I have the wrong extract as Bobaslow eluded to. Now that you have mentioned a natty diuretic, that's what I fogot to order Sun. night! DAMMIT! I thought I was forgetting something but couldn't place it. Oh well, I'll have to order again (Dandelion extract).

Strength has been good. Leg press was last Fri as noted in my log. DB hammers felt good.....60lbs x 8-10 last set. Things are moving along nicely here. I'm going to be tweaking my diet further to drop some weight. If I hit 220 I'll cry. I need to back down to 210 in the next month (water and fat need to go).

 

[MentalTwitch]

Mornin' MT I have some Dandelion but I think I have the wrong extract as Bobaslow eluded to. Now that you have mentioned a natty diuretic, that's what I fogot to order Sun. night! DAMMIT! I thought I was forgetting something but couldn't place it. Oh well, I'll have to order again (Dandelion extract).

Strength has been good. Leg press was last Fri as noted in my log. DB hammers felt good.....60lbs x 8-10 last set. Things are moving along nicely here. I'm going to be tweaking my diet further to drop some weight. If I hit 220 I'll cry. I need to back down to 210 in the next month (water and fat need to go).

gotcha, same page at least.
Well for the holidays im sure people are going to go ..."ohhh crap!" i love being around my family for stuff, they all say i keep growing....MWAAHAHAHAHAHA