PA vs ARA

Danes said:
I will stick to suggestion from Dr wilson,jeffrey and hoffman and actually kissdadookie

-Supplemental PA is not working via tissue saturation in the way that ArA works. Thus it's likely working at the extracellular level so dosing it around workout time is likely how it is working.

-Taking it around meal time will likely not do much of anything, because it is the exercise stress which produces the enzymes that needs to convert the PA to LPA. These enzymes will not "leak" out to the extracellular level without the physical stressors (exercise).

-Thats why it should be taking prior training
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I remember hearing something like this before. Do you remember where this was mentioned (by the researchers)?

If the stress from exercise is necessary, why is it recommended for off days in the first place?

Also, I wasn't trying to say that I recommend people dose off days only. Just meant it is something I wanna try since right now I got a bottle of ARA to get through anyway.
 
Akagami said:
I remember hearing something like this before. Do you remember where this was mentioned (by the researchers)?

If the stress from exercise is necessary, why is it recommended for off days in the first place?

Also, I wasn't trying to say that I recommend people dose off days only. Just meant it is something I wanna try since right now I got a bottle of ARA to get through anyway.
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Dr wilson said about prior training dosage. When you take soy granules there are other beneficial phospholipids so taking it everyday is not bad idea
 
ryane87 said:
So I went to Wal-Dump to try and find it because they either carried Fear or the other one people frequently use (the name escapes me but I have it written down). The website says it is at the store but I go there and 4 workers have no idea what I'm talking about. Anyone know what department they keep it in?
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Dude that sucks .. Can you do the order online for instore pick up.. Just a thought
 
2 weeks into ArA-PA-Epicatechin -stack (X-gels 1,5g pwo, soy lecithin 4tbsp/day, Ep1c 2/day) and the DOMS has finally arrived, big time.
 
I have been on PA for 5 days now
I have skimmed through all the pages and not sure if i could mix it with Xfactor Advanced
I have the xfactor coming next week
 
So right now what kind of stack should I be getting? Trying to build some lean muscle. Im looking at (Looking for some specific products)

Micro PA
Amentomax
AnaBeta Elite

I've used king and it was just OK.
 
keef421 said:
So right now what kind of stack should I be getting? Trying to build some lean muscle. Im looking at (Looking for some specific products)

Micro PA
Amentomax
AnaBeta Elite

I've used king and it was just OK.
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Good stack?

-Fearn or Optima Soy lecithin Granules (PA,PS and other phospholipids).
-XGels (ArA)
-Anabeta Elite

Personaly, I would add HMB FA too because i have tried everything of natty stuff and HMB FA is one of the best things i have tried.

But those 3 I mentioned are amazing
 
keef421 said:
So right now what kind of stack should I be getting? Trying to build some lean muscle. Im looking at (Looking for some specific products) Micro PA Amentomax AnaBeta Elite I've used king and it was just OK.
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Any of the three you listed would be options, including Arachidonic acid.
 
Danes said:
Good stack?

-Fearn or Optima Soy lecithin Granules (PA,PS and other phospholipids).
-XGels (ArA)
-Anabeta Elite

Personaly, I would add HMB FA too because i have tried everything of natty stuff and HMB FA is one of the best things i have tried.

But those 3 I mentioned are amazing
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Clear Muscle is HMB FA right? I already have this, just checkin. Would you consider a differnt product or would this be fine?

You like Xgels over X-Factor ?
 
keef421 said:
Clear Muscle is HMB FA right? I already have this, just checkin. Would you consider a differnt product or would this be fine? You like Xgels over X-Factor ?
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X gels and X factor as the same thing
 
keef421 said:
Clear Muscle is HMB FA right? I already have this, just checkin. Would you consider a differnt product or would this be fine?

You like Xgels over X-Factor ?
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There is just one HMB FA product on the marked as I know and its Clear Muscle.

Xgels and Xfactor is the same
 
bonbon said:
There is another one, Muscletor from Manninen Nutraceuticals (in Finland), 168 caps, 1000mg/cap
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Ah didnt know actually.
I see its a brand from Oulu. I Live 90Km from finish boarder.
Their caps are 1000mg HMB FA each and not 500mg like clear muscle
 
Guys, what can you tell me about this product?

biofil.pt/public/Text.php?text_id=11

Sorry, it´s in Portuguese but i hope you understand. Is this anything good or shouldn´t i even try? Thats the one they sell here.

The resume:

Cada cápsula de BIOFIL™ LECITINA PC14% fornece:
1200 mg de Lecitina de Soja IP, contendo 62% (744 mg) de Fosfatidos de Soja, dos quais 14% (168 mg) de Fosfatidilcolina (PC), 10% (120 mg) de Fosfatidiletanolamina (PE), 11% (132 mg) de Fosfatidilinositol (PI) e 4% (48 mg) de Ácido Fosfatídico (PA)

Translated with Google:

Each capsule BIOFIL ™ LECITHIN% PC14 provides:
1200 mg of IP Soy Lecithin containing 62% (744 mg) of Soybean phosphatides, of which 14% (168 mg), phosphatidylcholine (PC), 10% (120 mg), phosphatidylethanolamine (PE), 11% (132 mg) Phosphatidylinositol (PI) and 4% (48 mg) of phosphatidic acid (PA)
 
What i suspected.. I think i have to import some quality granules from somewhere else.. so difficult to find good supplements here.
 
I can get NOW LECITHIN GRANULES 1LB/454G but i don´t see PA % anywhere.. However i already have seen here recommending this product.

Can i be sure theres enough PA content in there? What should be the correct dosage?
 
Sorry page 26 or 27

anyway, upshot is that it is generaly safe to assume a 7% PA content of most soy lecithin granule products
 
NewAgeMayan said:
Sorry page 26 or 27

anyway, upshot is that it is generaly safe to assume a 7% PA content of most soy lecithin granule products
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That's right. I'd still go for granules that have high total phosphatides percent. Fearn, Optima, LEF and Global River all seem to be standardized for a minimum of 97% phosphatides. I'm pretty sure that NOW has the same 97% as well, as quite a few sites list it in the product description, but I didn't see it on the label or their website. Either way, any of the brands listed above should be good to go.

Edit: If you have to get something that doesn't list the phosphatide content, make sure it's de-oiled.
 
The only option i have for an immediate purchase is really NOW brand or else i have to import from another country which takes ages to arrive.. I hope that works :)
 
DoubleM101 said:
The only option i have for an immediate purchase is really NOW brand or else i have to import from another country which takes ages to arrive.. I hope that works :)
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Im sure NOW will be fine, but I can understand wanting to be more confident that youre getting enough PA.

One option is to order some Fearn or LEF, and run the NOW til it arrives. Even if NOW is as low as 5% PA, if you dose 3 or 4tbsp per day youre gonna get at least 1gm PA per day.
 
dprintz said:
Question
Can you stack Ara, PA and magnitropin at the same time
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Yes, you could if you wanted.

Regarding your question about ArA, X-Gels and X-Factor are the same.
 
I will take magnitropin with breakfast then how do I take the Pa and Ara
The pa is suppose to be taken 30 to 60 minutes prior to workout and Ara fasted 45 minutes prior. Thoughts on timing
 
dprintz said:
I will take magnitropin with breakfast then how do I take the Pa and Ara
The pa is suppose to be taken 30 to 60 minutes prior to workout and Ara fasted 45 minutes prior. Thoughts on timing
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I would dose the Magnitropin pre-workout or with your pre-workout meal.

Dose PA and ArA pre-workout as well. Timing you have listed is fine.
 
Thanks
Sorry to sound stupid this is my first cycle
One last question
X factor says 825 mg of X factor advance proprietary formula
beneath that it says Arasyn 40% Arachidonic acid

Do I take 2 caps or since it says 40% I take 4
 
dprintz said:
Thanks
Sorry to sound stupid this is my first cycle
One last question
X factor says 825 mg of X factor advance proprietary formula
beneath that it says Arasyn 40% Arachidonic acid

Do I take 2 caps or since it says 40% I take 4
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4-6 gels is what you want.
 
MurphDirty said:
Hey would running PA or PA+ARA be pointless on a cut? Would you see any recomp action, or best saved for bulk?
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Like most natural anabolics, PA/ARA would prevent muscle loss on a cut but most prefer to use them for bulking/recomping. Some note that they have increased hunger when on PA though, so keep that in mind for your cut.
 
NOW reply:

Phosphatidic acid is not a critical Spec for our manufacturer therefore we have no amount to declare at this time. We will be discussing this with our vendors to evaluate its presence and its relevance in lecithins composition and benefit.



Thank you.

NOW Health Group
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Can someone clear up dosing for PA & Ara & Magnitropin & stacked?

First cycle and I am confused

I thought you were suppose to take Ara fasted?

Taking first dose of Magnitropin at breakfast
Going to take second dose of Magnitropin prior to workout and will take fasted if necessary with Ara, what do I do with PA
Help
 
dprintz said:
Can someone clear up dosing for PA & Ara & Magnitropin & stacked?

First cycle and I am confused

I thought you were suppose to take Ara fasted?

Taking first dose of Magnitropin at breakfast
Going to take second dose of Magnitropin prior to workout and will take fasted if necessary with Ara, what do I do with PA
Help
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Been answered for you already but,

dose all three pre-workout together and just go hit the weights.
 
I'm getting very mixed results what comes to the increased doms. Training intensity have been pretty much the same all the time and I think I have seen some improvement too. Sometimes I get crazy doms, other times nothing.
 
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