PA vs ARA

anabolix said:
Another good place to check, however my local VS does not carry it.
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It's on the VS website so they should be able to order it for you & they'll call when it arrives at the store. Just need to pay when it's ordered. No cost on shipping to the store.

Or just spend at least $25 on line & get free shipping directly to you.
 
bobbybondmo said:
That Ferm PA is tasty stuff!!
Just got a can of it. Thanks guys...
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Speaking of tasty, i put my SL in a cup of almond milk and let it sit a couple minutes. By the time i drink it, it goes right down and tastes good. Ive found that soaking SL for a few minutes makes the pods silky soft and much smaller. I would be interested to hear how others take theirs.
 
On workout days, does it make a big difference to have PA pre-workout?
And how long does it take before you notice effects?
Does PA seem muscle sparing during a cut?
 
Not sure why Fearn is pushed so hard but Vitacost is cheaper and if you read the nutritional facts all around better.
 
I think Vitacost sell Fearn for about $7
 
Check out the 32 oz version Vitacost brand.
 
Will do !
 
For those purchasing from vitamin shoppe, just remember that they were on the list pushing for DASCA 2014.

Just be aware where your money might be going.
 
Good Info !
 
chedapalooza said:
After 2.5 weeks I didn't really notice much of anything At all... I think I'm gonna just stop using it lol
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You didnt notice much muscle growth in 2.5 weeks? It is 'PA', not 'PH'.

The short term effects of PA/soyl dosing are not necessarily indicative of the long term ones.
 
I didn't lift, didn't take any supplements, and ate around maintenance for a week with the flu. I lost 14 lbs and have noticeably smaller delts now. Here's hoping it was just the creatine and PA leaving my system
 
chedapalooza said:
After 2.5 weeks I didn't really notice much of anything At all... I think I'm gonna just stop using it lol
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You didn't notice much cause you haven't gave it a chance.
 
After how long should one start see noticeable results (I'm not talking about aas like ones)? And for how long should it be used ?
 
Everyone's progression rate will vary of course, but you *should* see 'greater' results than you would normally (by 'greater' think 'more accelerated'). But just remember, this stuff isnt going to override genetics and and all those other intolerable natty limits. Personally, I would recommend taking PA/soyl for at least 2-3months, it should be fine for much longer stretches.
 
chedapalooza said:
Yes, but we are the crazy ones. Be careful with that kind of talk or you will be shunned and none of your posts will be taken seriously again.

Srs
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If this was aimed in part at my post above then I apologise that my response made you feel this way. In my defence, I didnt realise you had been experiencing any digestive discomfort from soyl.

I did think it relevant/important to remind you that the main benefit of supplementing with a PA source is its potential to increase muscle hypertrophy, which as you know is typically a slow long term process (or at least not as 'acutely noticeable' as some of the more talked about short term effects).
 
chedapalooza said:
Yes, but we are the crazy ones. Be careful with that kind of talk or you will be shunned and none of your posts will be taken seriously again.

Srs
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I don't think anyone shunned you, and I'm not defending myan, but nearly 20 days isn't enough time to accurately gauge this ingredient.

Plus, are you training for hypertrophy? Are you consuming enough energy to gauge hypertrophic gains?

If it doesn't agree with you from a digestive perspective, perhaps try a digestive enzyme? Maybe take it with your preworkout carbs? You paid for something; might as well do your best to make the product work.
 
rowz4broz said:
i would like to dose at 1.5 g's but damn that would be pricey for 3 bottles :o
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Get the most out of the least. 1g of Xgels is plenty for a first run.

If you jump in too high then you wouldnt have any idea if you could have gotten the same results with 1g ;)
 
interesting, why is it that i read that 1.5 G is the sweet spot then ? if i can run it at 4 per day that would be awesome
 
I'm currently running Ara for 3 months as follows ( wo 3 days a week):
First 4 week at 4 softgels ( 1g ) on workout days and 4 softgel only one off day = total 16 softgel a week
Second 4 week at 6 softgels (1,5g) on workout days = 18 softgels a week
Final 4 week at 8 softgels ( 2g) on workout days = 24 softgels a week
 
Feiwong said:
I'm currently running Ara for 3 months as follows ( wo 3 days a week):
First 4 week at 4 softgels ( 1g ) on workout days and 4 softgel only one off day = total 16 softgel a week
Second 4 week at 6 softgels (1,5g) on workout days = 18 softgels a week
Final 4 week at 8 softgels ( 2g) on workout days = 24 softgels a week
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I believe your schedule is backwards. You want the ArA loaded by increasing dose and then maintained.

If I'm wrong, someone please correct me.
 
The Engineer said:
I believe your schedule is backwards. You want the ArA loaded by increasing dose and then maintained.

If I'm wrong, someone please correct me.
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You're right.

You use bigger doses up front to saturate the cell membranes and then you can continue taking it as maintenance doses using lower dosages.
 
Feiwong said:
For a 3 days a week wo It's best 1,5 or 2g taken wo days only?
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OH. Missed that. Just keep taking 1.5 grams every as you are then. If you want to reach saturation faster, just start taking the 2 gram dose now and then reduce it down to 1.5 to make it last longer.

Good question though... I think most people if not all had a lifting schedule of at least 4 days a week... and those were dosed at 1.5 grams to 2 grams per workout day until they finish the bottles.
 
I got bloated too. I'm in a calorie deficit and I noticed I feel "gross" all day and even when I wake up. I never feel dry or lean, but I do feel better pumps in the gym. hmm...
 
dwightikans said:
I got bloated too. I'm in a calorie deficit and I noticed I feel "gross" all day and even when I wake up. I never feel dry or lean, but I do feel better pumps in the gym. hmm...
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This was my situation exactly and it stopped almost immediately after ceasing the PA. I even used gut health with it to no avail.
 
NewAgeMayan said:
If this was aimed in part at my post above then I apologise that my response made you feel this way. In my defence, I didnt realise you had been experiencing any digestive discomfort from soyl.

I did think it relevant/important to remind you that the main benefit of supplementing with a PA source is its potential to increase muscle hypertrophy, which as you know is typically a slow long term process (or at least not as 'acutely noticeable' as some of the more talked about short term effects).
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The Engineer said:
I don't think anyone shunned you, and I'm not defending myan, but nearly 20 days isn't enough time to accurately gauge this ingredient.

Plus, are you training for hypertrophy? Are you consuming enough energy to gauge hypertrophic gains?

If it doesn't agree with you from a digestive perspective, perhaps try a digestive enzyme? Maybe take it with your preworkout carbs? You paid for something; might as well do your best to make the product work.
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It's all good fellas I was feeling chippy at the time. No hard feelings!
 
dwightikans said:
I got bloated too. I'm in a calorie deficit and I noticed I feel "gross" all day and even when I wake up. I never feel dry or lean, but I do feel better pumps in the gym. hmm...
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Bloatedness while in an energy deficit could be indicative of electrolyte imbalance. Again, I would not blame the product.
 
The Engineer said:
Bloatedness while in an energy deficit could be indicative of electrolyte imbalance. Again, I would not blame the product.
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Well I am bloated after about 5 days of PA....was not bloated before...and nothing has really changed as far as my diet is. I am go from 4 tbls to 2tbls for a few days and then ramp back up.
 
wait a second so originally i came into this thread looking for information about ArA i was about to purchase some but came to the realization it was too expensive (ill wait for a sale still do wanna run it)

so i decided to look up this other sup PA (Phosphatic Acid?)

so lemme get this straight

I buy this Invalid Link Removed

Eat 6 teaspoons and thats all I need? and PA will compete with ArA in terms of gains??


thats nuts if true i can save a lot of money.

how would the dosing work for this?

In terms of workout and non workout days


thanks
 
bobbybondmo said:
Well I am bloated after about 5 days of PA....was not bloated before...and nothing has really changed as far as my diet is. I am go from 4 tbls to 2tbls for a few days and then ramp back up.
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I did the same it was MUCH more bearable... And I took it earlier in the day. Still didnt find it to be worth the discomfort (after only 2.5 weeks) just glad I stopped using it. Oh well. This is one bandwagon I can't personally jump on right now! Maybe in the future!
 
rowz4broz said:
wait a second so originally i came into this thread looking for information about ArA i was about to purchase some but came to the realization it was too expensive (ill wait for a sale still do wanna run it)

so i decided to look up this other sup PA (Phosphatic Acid?)

so lemme get this straight

I buy this Invalid Link Removed

Eat 6 teaspoons and thats all I need? and PA will compete with ArA in terms of gains??


thats nuts if true i can save a lot of money.

how would the dosing work for this?

In terms of workout and non workout days


thanks
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2 tablespoons, you should be good to go.

Philosophy said:
Soy is known for the above side effects.
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Soy lecithin has the things that causes these side effects (estro) essentially processed out of it.
 
kissdadookie said:
2 tablespoons, you should be good to go.




Soy lecithin has the things that causes these side effects (estro) essentially processed out of it.
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Are you sure? I'm not well versed in such topics, however a quick search found that soy lecithin was strongly estrogenic in vitro. Add the fact that most are dosing much more than what is used as an emulsifier.
 
Philosophy said:
Are you sure? I'm not well versed in such topics, however a quick search found that soy lecithin was strongly estrogenic in vitro. Add the fact that most are dosing much more than what is used as an emulsifier.
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Pretty sure. It's been processed so much that even GMO and non-GMO are indistinguishable from each other.
 
At 4 tbsp pre-workout, the muscle fullness ("bloating") was too much and no noticeable difference of acute strength on a week like that. I have dropped back to 2 tbsp on workout days only and don't see this excessive bloating anymore.
 
Philosophy said:
Are you sure? I'm not well versed in such topics, however a quick search found that soy lecithin was strongly estrogenic in vitro. Add the fact that most are dosing much more than what is used as an emulsifier.
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I'm using soy lechithin granules and forskolin now

I need an AI due to gyno

I just started 30g soy lechithin granules (2400mg pa) and it got a tad worse but forskolin always does it to me

I don't know what I want to reduce first since forskolin is only 50mg
 
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