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PA Supplements Vs Soy Lecithin

InItForGainz

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Is there any difference in effects/benefits between a PA supplement, such as MuscleTech's PhosphaMuscle, and a PA food source, such as Soy Lecithin Granules?

So would dosing 3g of PA from Soy Lecithin Granules provide the same physical effects and benefits of PA from dosing 3g of PA through PhosphaMuscle?

Has anybody actually used both forms?
 
InItForGainz said:
Is there any difference in effects/benefits between a PA supplement, such as MuscleTech's PhosphaMuscle, and a PA food source, such as Soy Lecithin Granules?

So would dosing 3g of PA from Soy Lecithin Granules provide the same physical effects and benefits of PA from dosing 3g of PA through PhosphaMuscle?

Has anybody actually used both forms?
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I've used both forms multiple times in the form of:

Phosphatidic Acid Gels
OL Tr1umph
Soy Lecithin Granules

The only difference is the fat macros, and arguably SL granules/Tr1umph have additional health benefits.
 
I've used both. Lecithins are cheaper and provide the same benefits. For me though it's just easier to use the caps then trying to drink the Lecithins. However Lecithins can be a bonus if you're thinking of stacking PA with ARA due to Soy Lecithins being an emulsifier.
 
ma70 said:
I've used both forms multiple times in the form of:

Phosphatidic Acid Gels
OL Tr1umph
Soy Lecithin Granules

The only difference is the fat macros, and arguably SL granules/Tr1umph have additional health benefits.
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Did you notice a difference in effects and benefits from the PA caps and they SL granules?
 
ma70 said:
I've used both forms multiple times in the form of:

Phosphatidic Acid Gels
OL Tr1umph
Soy Lecithin Granules

The only difference is the fat macros, and arguably SL granules/Tr1umph have additional health benefits.
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This. Only benefit for those using phosphamuscle is if they can't afford to have extra calories in their diet
 
Synapsin said:
This. Only benefit for those using phosphamuscle is if they can't afford to have extra calories in their diet
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Or rent if they're in the UK. PhosphaMuscle is £60 ($75) per bottle over here.
220Kcals for the 3g of PA isn't too bad, especially as the fats are good natural sources, and even better that it's pretty much carb free
 
InItForGainz said:
Or rent if they're in the UK. PhosphaMuscle is £60 ($75) per bottle over here.
220Kcals for the 3g of PA isn't too bad, especially as the fats are good natural sources, and even better that it's pretty much carb free
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lmao, that too. Yeah the PA products are expensive, but probably due to it being patent(ed?) pending.
 
I use Solgar's Lecithin Granules. 7.5 grams pre workout. And 7.5 grams with a meal later in the day. Increases appetite and strength noticeably. Fuller muscle bellies. Haven't tried the supplement forms and don't intend to.
 
pro45 said:
I use Solgar's Lecithin Granules. 7.5 grams pre workout. And 7.5 grams with a meal later in the day. Increases appetite and strength noticeably. Fuller muscle bellies. Haven't tried the supplement forms and don't intend to.
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How do you take them? Do they dissolve?
 
InItForGainz said:
How do you take them? Do they dissolve?
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Went thru a tub of NOW granules and they dissolve into a gel in water in about 20 min. They have a walnut flavor but actually go back alright mixed with some flavored whey, especially chocolate. My 1 hour prewo meal is always whey or whey+Greek yogurt and a carb source like granola, oats, or cream of rice and a tbsp pb (or the granules when I'm using PA).
 
You can also just shoot that gel back, or even undissolved granules if you don't mind how they stick in your mouth.
 
Considering phosphamuscle is significantly more expensive than Tr1umph, it kind of blows my mind that anyone chooses concentrated PA supps. 8g of healthy fat doesn't bother my macros at all.

With Tr1umph you get:
-Tons of other ergogenic aids (LCLT/Betaine/Creatine/ElevATP/AlphaSize/etc/etc)
-More PA per dose (913mg vs 750mg)
-All the other beneficial phospholipids found in lecithin (phosphatidylcholine, etc)

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...and you get all that in 4 delicious flavors. Seems like a no-brainer to me.
 
ma70 said:
I've used both forms multiple times in the form of:

Phosphatidic Acid Gels
OL Tr1umph
Soy Lecithin Granules

The only difference is the fat macros, and arguably SL granules/Tr1umph have additional health benefits.
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This is the bulk of what I noticed when I would switch between them.
 
Lynks8 said:
Considering phosphamuscle is significantly more expensive than Tr1umph, it kind of blows my mind that anyone chooses concentrated PA supps. 8g of healthy fat doesn't bother my macros at all.

With Tr1umph you get:
-Tons of other ergogenic aids (LCLT/Betaine/Creatine/ElevATP/AlphaSize/etc/etc)
-More PA per dose (913mg vs 750mg)
-All the other beneficial phospholipids found in lecithin (phosphatidylcholine, etc)

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...and you get all that in 4 delicious flavors. Seems like a no-brainer to me.
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As much as I'm an OL fan and want to try Tr1umph I can't afford to pay £50/$62 for one tub. Thanks for the info though.
 
I found the granules to be a pain to take everyday, the taste isn't bad but it's not good either, just wasn't something I looked forward to.....the difference it made was noticeable but small.....not enough for me to be willing to buy them again even at the cheap price
 
Would mixing the granules in with food, let's say Oats for example, hinder the effects of the PA or are the benefits of PA a build up over time thing?
 
InItForGainz said:
Would mixing the granules in with food, let's say Oats for example, hinder the effects of the PA or are the benefits of PA a build up over time thing?
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It will stimulate mTor no matter what, but it is best timed within your workout period (pre/post).
 
InItForGainz said:
Would mixing the granules in with food, let's say Oats for example, hinder the effects of the PA or are the benefits of PA a build up over time thing?
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I'll tell you what - during a Cut, those two tablespoons feel like an 8 course meal to me! :D I love just "eating" them.
 
Granules are easy to get down and pretty tasty. Chew em and wash it down with some water or pre. Only issues is that it gets all in your teeth, and more than two tablespoons has upset/bloated my stomach on an occasion, hindering training a bit.

Triumph is amazing.
 
ma70 said:
It will stimulate mTor no matter what, but it is best timed within your workout period (pre/post).
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Ape McGrapes said:
Granules are easy to get down and pretty tasty. Chew em and wash it down with some water or pre. Only issues is that it gets all in your teeth, and more than two tablespoons has upset/bloated my stomach on an occasion, hindering training a bit.

Triumph is amazing.
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I think I'm just going to mix them with my pre-workout meal of proats.
I'd like to try Tr1umph but it's just too expensive in the UK
 
Quick question, there is a big difference in the amount of PA between different SL brands? Because i've found SL granules at my local discount but the amount of PA is not listed in the ingredients. If i want to buy Fearn or Optima i've to order online and the shipment costs for a tub will be 20+ euro ! Thanks
 
ThorBara said:
Quick question, there is a big difference in the amount of PA between different SL brands? Because i've found SL granules at my local discount but the amount of PA is not listed in the ingredients. If i want to buy Fearn or Optima i've to order online and the shipment costs for a tub will be 20+ euro ! Thanks
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The accepted range of PA is going to be 4-7%, pretty much regardless of the brand (sources: studies, COAs, spec sheets, etc).
 
Does the timing of Phosphatidic Acid matter or are the results/pumps just as good regardless, seeing as they seem to build up over time?
Was thinking about taking the 25g of Soy Lecithin (3g PA) in a pre-bed protein shake, so that I could be consistant with dosing and avoid the stomach upset.
 
InItForGainz said:
Does the timing of Phosphatidic Acid matter or are the results/pumps just as good regardless, seeing as they seem to build up over time?
Was thinking about taking the 25g of Soy Lecithin (3g PA) in a pre-bed protein shake, so that I could be consistant with dosing and avoid the stomach upset.
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It is most beneficial pre-workout, but peri-workout is okay. Regardless, it should be taken every day, and note that adding it with protein will not have some "super mTor stimulating" effect.
 
ma70 said:
It is most beneficial pre-workout, but peri-workout is okay. Regardless, it should be taken every day, and note that adding it with protein will not have some "super mTor stimulating" effect.
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I know there's no extra mTor stim effect when taking it with protein. I was thinking of using it in a shake to mask the taste and help to thicken it up a little, and to help keep me full overnight.
Any idea how long it'll be before I start seeing/feeling the effects of PA from daily SL?
 
I just started using MPA Supps' Pharmgrade - it was just released and has 800mg of PA as well as BCAAs. This is my first experience taking a PA product and it tastes great (watermelon candy). I usually drink it intraworkout. I might look into Tr1umph though because it's a "one-stop" shop - right now I'm taking all these separate supps stacked with X-gels and ABE: PES Alphamine, 1st Phorm creatine monohydrate, the Pharmgrade, and Primaforce ALCAR preworkout, Primaforce LCLT....

One question about Tr1umph though - is L-alanine the same as beta alanine? That always causes me the worst sharp tingles in my hands.
 
razz2525 said:
I just started using MPA Supps' Pharmgrade - it was just released and has 800mg of PA as well as BCAAs. This is my first experience taking a PA product and it tastes great (watermelon candy). I usually drink it intraworkout. I might look into Tr1umph though because it's a "one-stop" shop - right now I'm taking all these separate supps stacked with X-gels and ABE: PES Alphamine, 1st Phorm creatine monohydrate, the Pharmgrade, and Primaforce ALCAR preworkout, Primaforce LCLT....

One question about Tr1umph though - is L-alanine the same as beta alanine? That always causes me the worst sharp tingles in my hands.
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L-alanine is not beta alanine and will not cause the tingles! L-alanine is a basic amino acid which has its uses in cellular swelling.
 
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