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I need to run var at 60 and winstrol at 40, it just doesn't do much anymore for me at lower dosage except if I'm cutting hard. Id say a beginner dosage would be 40-50 var and 30-40 winstrol.
 

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Hell, even arm day can be brutal on var.
 

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Ya lol. I learned that the hard way first time I went on var and started doing super sets and triple sets of biceps and triceps
Honestly, I don't get this side as bad as most. I'm obviously in the minority, though.
 

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Ya lol. I learned that the hard way first time I went on var and started doing super sets and triple sets of biceps and triceps
With HIT workouts i rarely run into problems with the pumps because the volume is so low. But my god high volume days were a killer. Couldnt finish sets toward the end.
 
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Honestly, I don't get this side as bad as most. I'm obviously in the minority, though.
Ya you’re very lucky loll I usually don’t have much back pumps problem on orals but var gave me back pumps while having sex and I legit had to stop sometimes 🤕
 
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I’m thinking about throwing var into my lean bulk test/npp just for the fun of it but I dunno about that it would be a first time use in such circonstances... what you guys thinking about that?
 

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I’m thinking about throwing var into my lean bulk test/npp just for the fun of it but I dunno about that it would be a first time use in such circonstances... what you guys thinking about that?
You'll very rarely see me advise against Var.
 

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I love the pumps so far. They arent painful, but im also not doing super high volume.
 
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any sides from the anavar? BP? hairloss? anything?
I actually haven't noticed anything in terms of hairloss during the cycle, even though I'm also injecting DHB and low-dose daily test prop (~30 mg).

I know this sounds bad, but I haven't tested my BP during the cycle yet, so I'm not sure where it's at. TBH, the only overt side effect I've noticed so far is some weird stomach tightness (like right my sternum) if I take the Anavar (currently at 80mg/day) without much other food in my stomach.
 

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I actually haven't noticed anything in terms of hairloss during the cycle, even though I'm also injecting DHB and low-dose daily test prop (~30 mg).

I know this sounds bad, but I haven't tested my BP during the cycle yet, so I'm not sure where it's at. TBH, the only overt side effect I've noticed so far is some weird stomach tightness (like right my sternum) if I take the Anavar (currently at 80mg/day) without much other food in my stomach.
might be some reflux? just a guess
 

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dont take var as a PWO on deadlift day?
Var above 80mg gave me ridiculously painpul pumps and cramps,
I’m thinking about throwing var into my lean bulk test/npp just for the fun of it but I dunno about that it would be a first time use in such circonstances... what you guys thinking about that?
First time running a new cycle, bestvto keep it to hust the base compounds i.e. test and another injectible (npp in your case).

O/w , you wint get a feel for gow you react/whatctge base compounds do for you.

Besides that, no problem adding var to a test/npp cycle tgo.

If you research vars effects on cirtisol and so on, the ideal dose is 50mg a day, at most,60mg a day.. (split into 2-3 dosages due to half life of var).

I've ran at least a dozen var cyckes, usually with just test e at 400mg/week (200mg injections every 4th day) or transdermal test base powder to equate to around 400mg test a week.
 

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Var above 80mg gave me ridiculously painpul pumps and cramps,


First time running a new cycle, bestvto keep it to hust the base compounds i.e. test and another injectible (npp in your case).

O/w , you wint get a feel for gow you react/whatctge base compounds do for you.

Besides that, no problem adding var to a test/npp cycle tgo.

If you research vars effects on cirtisol and so on, the ideal dose is 50mg a day, at most,60mg a day.. (split into 2-3 dosages due to half life of var).

I've ran at least a dozen var cyckes, usually with just test e at 400mg/week (200mg injections every 4th day) or transdermal test base powder to equate to around 400mg test a week.
How did the var treat you?
 

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Var above 80mg gave me ridiculously painpul pumps and cramps,


First time running a new cycle, bestvto keep it to hust the base compounds i.e. test and another injectible (npp in your case).

O/w , you wint get a feel for gow you react/whatctge base compounds do for you.

Besides that, no problem adding var to a test/npp cycle tgo.

If you research vars effects on cirtisol and so on, the ideal dose is 50mg a day, at most,60mg a day.. (split into 2-3 dosages due to half life of var).

I've ran at least a dozen var cyckes, usually with just test e at 400mg/week (200mg injections every 4th day) or transdermal test base powder to equate to around 400mg test a week.
That's the second time I've seen that phrase "Test base powder" recently.
What are you referring to?
Are you referring to TD Test?
 
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Var above 80mg gave me ridiculously painpul pumps and cramps,


First time running a new cycle, bestvto keep it to hust the base compounds i.e. test and another injectible (npp in your case).

O/w , you wint get a feel for gow you react/whatctge base compounds do for you.

Besides that, no problem adding var to a test/npp cycle tgo.

If you research vars effects on cirtisol and so on, the ideal dose is 50mg a day, at most,60mg a day.. (split into 2-3 dosages due to half life of var).

I've ran at least a dozen var cyckes, usually with just test e at 400mg/week (200mg injections every 4th day) or transdermal test base powder to equate to around 400mg test a week.
Never said anything was new to me in that cycle mate! It’s just that I’ve ran multiple toxic orals lately and I want to give my body a break on those. I’ve ran var about 5 times but always on a definit wanting to shred more. I was questioning how var would react on a lean bulk as I’ve never used it that way.
 

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Never said anything was new to me in that cycle mate! It’s just that I’ve ran multiple toxic orals lately and I want to give my body a break on those. I’ve ran var about 5 times but always on a definit wanting to shred more. I was questioning how var would react on a lean bulk as I’ve never used it that way.
Gotcha. Yeah, I'd pass on var for your test/npp cycle.
 

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How did the var treat you?
Very well at 50-60mg ED forv4-8 week cycles.

Past 70mgish ED, my wgole body hirt....cramps in forearms at work etc(worked landscape construction back than)...10/10, do not reccomend going past 60mg a day of var.
 

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Half way through week 4 update:

I skipped legs yesterday because i hiked up a mountain side for my cardio the day prior. My legs were sore and cramped up pretty good a couple times.

The extra cardio seems to of helped. I am down a couple pounds, i weigh about 200 as of today. I am leaner for sure.

I think i have terrible genetics for an aesthetic build. My whole body is pretty lean... except i have love handles
 
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Half way through week 4 update:

I skipped legs yesterday because i hiked up a mountain side for my cardio the day prior. My legs were sore and cramped up pretty good a couple times.

The extra cardio seems to of helped. I am down a couple pounds, i weigh about 200 as of today. I am leaner for sure.

I think i have terrible genetics for an aesthetic build. My whole body is pretty lean... except i have love handles
Same on the genetics. I have a spare tire gut and a fat chest that are the absolute last bits of fat to come off every single time. It’s annoying as hell.
 
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Often i feel people start bulking without abs, gets big and the abs are still the same. Its really complicated to get everything perfect but i think rather than saying my genetics are bad to try and do things differently. The fact is that there's no golden diet for everyone. If you're on gear i really suggest to switch from high carbs to low carbs and from low fat to high fat or vice versa. Try to get around maintenance calories or slightly above but only slightly. I like this approach on gear as you dont run in to the problems of losing muscles, instead youll add but you won't add fat.

I assume youre higher carb as most people are, if so try fats and mostly from nuts, fish, avocado, dark chocolate, eggs.
 

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Often i feel people start bulking without abs, gets big and the abs are still the same. Its really complicated to get everything perfect but i think rather than saying my genetics are bad to try and do things differently. The fact is that there's no golden diet for everyone. If you're on gear i really suggest to switch from high carbs to low carbs and from low fat to high fat or vice versa. Try to get around maintenance calories or slightly above but only slightly. I like this approach on gear as you dont run in to the problems of losing muscles, instead youll add but you won't add fat.

I assume youre higher carb as most people are, if so try fats and mostly from nuts, fish, avocado, dark chocolate, eggs.
Im eating very low carbs, lots of protein and fats.

You are absolutely right, when i eat lots of carbs i get flabby.

Ive been tweaking my diet, ive been low carbs for a couple months. Im in the process of upping my protein and taking out even more fats.

I hear you and you are absolutely right. I just wonder if genetically i store more fat on my love handles. The reason i say that is because i am lean everywhere on my body except there.

I also bulked up without any anabolics and i was eating a lot of carbs. I gained a pound a week because i was attempting to lean bulk.. but it didnt work out as i would have liked it. So maybe if i bulked up with less carbs and more fats/protein if that would have helped.

But all that said, i still am only carrying fat on my love handles and a tiny bit on my abs. Every where else is lean. Isnt that genetics?
 
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I have **** genetics as well. I even paid to have a genetic test done by a company that specializes in testing customers' DNA for the presence/absence of gene alleles that are associated with athletic performance, metabolism, etc.

Basically, I'm in the bottom 5th percentile of males when it comes to bodybuilding aptitude, based on a number of factors (one of the main ones is a total lack of skeletal fast twitch fibers -- if the test results are to be believed, I'm a member of the 1-2% of the human population that doesn't have any fast twitch fibers, based on the complete lack of the ACTN3 allele). Apparently slow-twitch fibers are... less than ideal to have when it comes to muscle building.
 

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I have **** genetics as well. I even paid to have a genetic test done by a company that specializes in testing customers' DNA for the presence/absence of gene alleles that are associated with athletic performance, metabolism, etc.

Basically, I'm in the bottom 5th percentile of males when it comes to bodybuilding aptitude, based on a number of factors (one of the main ones is a total lack of skeletal fast twitch fibers -- if the test results are to be believed, I'm a member of the 1-2% of the human population that doesn't have any fast twitch fibers, based on the complete lack of the ACTN3 allele). Apparently slow-twitch fibers are... less than ideal to have when it comes to muscle building.
Bummer! Are you a gifted runner?
 
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Bummer! Are you a gifted runner?
Yeah, if you're talking about slower-paced long distance running. I don't run as much anymore since I decided to do the roids thing, but i can easily run 15+ miles at a moderate 7:30 - 8 minute mile pace. Back when I'd try to do HIIT speed runs at the track, the overall experiences were excruciating and I never seemed to get ANY faster, so when I do run I just do what comes naturally to me (longer distances, slower paces).
 
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Im eating very low carbs, lots of protein and fats.

You are absolutely right, when i eat lots of carbs i get flabby.

Ive been tweaking my diet, ive been low carbs for a couple months. Im in the process of upping my protein and taking out even more fats.

I hear you and you are absolutely right. I just wonder if genetically i store more fat on my love handles. The reason i say that is because i am lean everywhere on my body except there.

I also bulked up without any anabolics and i was eating a lot of carbs. I gained a pound a week because i was attempting to lean bulk.. but it didnt work out as i would have liked it. So maybe if i bulked up with less carbs and more fats/protein if that would have helped.

But all that said, i still am only carrying fat on my love handles and a tiny bit on my abs. Every where else is lean. Isnt that genetics?

I see. The problem is once you've added fat you have to really burn it off for a while before the body adapts. If youre not on gear you kinda have to accept youd lose muscles, on gear just a maintenace diet, maybe even slightly under, say instead of 3k 2.8k with something like anavar or winstrol with test and these love handles will be gone.
 

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Week 4 and 4 days.

Did back and bi’s

I realized why my strength isnt shooting up dramatically. Im missing half an arm. So thats my hinderance because my back has to compensate for not bring able to use biceps. And my chest has to compensate for lack of tricep
 

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Week 4 and 4 days.

Did back and bi’s

I realized why my strength isnt shooting up dramatically. Im missing half an arm. So thats my hinderance because my back has to compensate for not bring able to use biceps. And my chest has to compensate for lack of tricep
 

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Week 4 and 4 days.

Did back and bi’s

I realized why my strength isnt shooting up dramatically. Im missing half an arm. So thats my hinderance because my back has to compensate for not being able to use biceps. And my chest has to compensate for lack of triceps.

But regardless, my lat pulls increased by 12 lbs for sets of 8 today. Curls are stronger. Everything else is slightly stronger. Which i think says alot considering my given deficits

Oh yeah, my bicep feels like its going to bulge out of my arm
 
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I see. The problem is once you've added fat you have to really burn it off for a while before the body adapts. If youre not on gear you kinda have to accept youd lose muscles, on gear just a maintenace diet, maybe even slightly under, say instead of 3k 2.8k with something like anavar or winstrol with test and these love handles will be gone.
Yes.

This.


Personally, I’m just accepting that yes, I don’t have abs, and am bulking.

I’m pretty good at not getting a lot fatter while bulking on gear. I think.

I’ll just cut down later on, this bulk has been over a year in the making.

I accept that I’ll need to be more strict on my cut. I’m very good at starving.

Others might be wise to understand these concessions.
 
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Yes.

This.


Personally, I’m just accepting that yes, I don’t have abs, and am bulking.

I’m pretty good at not getting a lot fatter while bulking on gear. I think.

I’ll just cut down later on, this bulk has been over a year in the making.

I accept that I’ll need to be more strict on my cut. I’m very good at starving.

Others might be wise to understand these concessions.

Honestly keeping abs is nice but often it hinders muscle gain. It kinda depends on what you want and if its okay for you to add fat. I dont think you can say what's right in this situation.
 
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Honestly keeping abs is nice but often it hinders muscle gain. It kinda depends on what you want and if its okay for you to add fat. I dont think you can say what's right in this situation.
Yeah, at this point I have to tell myself "it's OK, I'm bulking," to be OK with any increase in bodyfat. Didn't have abs and weigh over 155 at any point in my life until recently, and I've become quite fond of them. Almost obsessively fond of them. Even when I know, like was posted previously, that I can start eating at maintenance or slight deficit, continue training, and the bodyfat will drop right back down thanks to the gear gods.
 

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Im thinking of running 750mg 4ad, 60-100mg var and 120mg trendione for 8 weeks... should be fairly lean after the 4ad water comes off.

Not as good as test but should work i think.
 
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Yeah, at this point I have to tell myself "it's OK, I'm bulking," to be OK with any increase in bodyfat. Didn't have abs and weigh over 155 at any point in my life until recently, and I've become quite fond of them. Almost obsessively fond of them. Even when I know, like was posted previously, that I can start eating at maintenance or slight deficit, continue training, and the bodyfat will drop right back down thanks to the gear gods.

Gotta love when you go passed that barrier we all got. It takes a few weeks/months for the body to accept the new weight and while not the best, its the easiest way keeping weight if you accept some fat gain.
 

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My knees have been messed up all weekend. Does trest help with that like nandrolone?

If so i might throw some in this cycle
 

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If trest wouldnt help, i dont have any other options to help my knees as far as supps. Now i wonder what i should do for cardio
 
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Nah, did not help my knees -but trest can give you tits, fairly quick.

Strangely enough trest has been quite good with me, i had two nights sweating like crazy but after that no sides. I have a theory you get more tolerant with estrogen over time. I used to get sensitive nipples at 300mg of testosterone two years ago.
 
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Strangely enough trest has been quite good with me, i had two nights sweating like crazy but after that no sides. I have a theory you get more tolerant with estrogen over time. I used to get sensitive nipples at 300mg of testosterone two years ago.
I have the same theory. I used to need a lot more AI to put the fire out, when using less test/wet compounds
 

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