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I've been on test @ 350mg/week for about 6 weeks and oxandrolone for 1 week. i was running oxandrolone @ 3/4 of a 50mg tab for a week to test the waters. now ill bump up the dose to 50mg. i have enough for 12 weeks, but i might just run it for 6.

Goal is to cut.

I'm 6'3, 205. Ive been eating in a 500 calorie deficit (2500 cals a day max, with few exceptions) for over a month and i haven't lost a pound so im guessing the test is doing its work?

I ate 3/4 of a pizza to myself yesterday and didnt get bloated, so i think the oxandrolone is working.
 
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just curious why do you think oxandrolone would help against bloating ? I have used it myself with test so I know a bit what it does. Ran it a bit higher and longer then you did. For bloating from estrogen I take anastazole. I just added the oxodrolone for its reported effect on belly fat (not sure if it worked belly is gone but a caloric deficit has a lot to do with it too).

What i heard is that cardarine is often used to keep the lipid profile good when taking steroids. Of course no human testing has been done on this but I seen on other bodybuilding boards that people have improved lipid profile when using it. I saw one guy posting his lipid profile before and after use of it and there was improvement (during a cycle of steroids)
 

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just curious why do you think oxandrolone would help against bloating ? I have used it myself with test so I know a bit what it does. Ran it a bit higher and longer then you did. For bloating from estrogen I take anastazole. I just added the oxodrolone for its reported effect on belly fat (not sure if it worked belly is gone but a caloric deficit has a lot to do with it too).

What i heard is that cardarine is often used to keep the lipid profile good when taking steroids. Of course no human testing has been done on this but I seen on other bodybuilding boards that people have improved lipid profile when using it. I saw one guy posting his lipid profile before and after use of it and there was improvement (during a cycle of steroids)
Its just supposition on my part, the reason i think oxandrolone helped with bloating is because i ate 3/4 of a pizza to myself and didnt get bloated as i normally would.
 
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that's really just a result of the total androgen load. if you ate a pizza a day, you would eventually get bloated and fat. You cant out lift a bad diet but you can sure help the effort with steroids.
 

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that's really just a result of the total androgen load. if you ate a pizza a day, you would eventually get bloated and fat. You cant out lift a bad diet but you can sure help the effort with steroids.
So you dont think its the oxandrolone doing that? or are you saying its the combo of test and oxandrolone?
 

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1 week update.

I feel a little stronger, but it could have just been a good day at the gym. I added at least a rep to everything. recovery time does not seem to be particularly effected. My energy is up. Thats about it for now.
 
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for me it took a lot longer then 1 week for the oxondrolone to work. Most users see it work after 3-4 weeks. Not in week one it took a bit of time for it to work for me.
 
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I'm currently running a cycle of DHB + Anavar (currently at 80 mg/day), and I look leaner than I ever have at any other point in my life. I pretty much "have abs" for the first time ever, even though I've been doing a lot less cardio and have been eating pretty much whatever the hell I want (just making sure to take in a lot of protein, of course). When I ran TBol back during the fall/winter, I looked leaner, but not this lean. I'm pretty much looking for excuses to take my shirt off at this point.
 

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I'm currently running a cycle of DHB + Anavar (currently at 80 mg/day), and I look leaner than I ever have at any other point in my life. I pretty much "have abs" for the first time ever, even though I've been doing a lot less cardio and have been eating pretty much whatever the hell I want (just making sure to take in a lot of protein, of course). When I ran TBol back during the fall/winter, I looked leaner, but not this lean. I'm pretty much looking for excuses to take my shirt off at this point.

Nice! My wife says im leaner too, but it could just be the test since ive only been on for a week. How do you feel in general? energy, agression etc
 
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that's really just a result of the total androgen load. if you ate a pizza a day, you would eventually get bloated and fat. You cant out lift a bad diet but you can sure help the effort with steroids.

Exactly, steroids keeps you from getting fat. Oxandrolone do have a tendency to bloat, theres nothing "dry" about it even if it helps get rid of fat. If you want to be dry its winstrol you should go for.
 
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or hex... or it appears this new 3 ad.. I look full n big after 3 days on the **** but im in a total deficit.
 
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Exactly, steroids keeps you from getting fat. Oxandrolone do have a tendency to bloat, theres nothing "dry" about it even if it helps get rid of fat. If you want to be dry its winstrol you should go for.
Or stack em.
 

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I'm currently running a cycle of DHB + Anavar (currently at 80 mg/day), and I look leaner than I ever have at any other point in my life. I pretty much "have abs" for the first time ever, even though I've been doing a lot less cardio and have been eating pretty much whatever the hell I want (just making sure to take in a lot of protein, of course). When I ran TBol back during the fall/winter, I looked leaner, but not this lean. I'm pretty much looking for excuses to take my shirt off at this point.
pics or it didnt happen ;)
 
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A friend of mine own a conpany in Eroupe, really on the money **** qnd he wouldn y life to me. He pressed pills regulztly. So I asked one day about thrsev59md dbol, 50 mg Anavar, 50 mg Winny. His response was go nobhighrrvthsb 29vlg on Anavar and Winny and no higher than 10 dbol. He said there is no way he could press a 50 mg dbol pill and have it not crumble. Same with Winny and var 20. He did say there is aa possibility and you get lucky but he's bitvwastingvthat product hoping they don't fall apart. He emphisised dbol over 10 as the worst. Said no way he could press 50 mg dbol. So maybe what you have is OK'
Personzlly I don't get this fascination with Anavar unless you're a woman. Weak drug, weak gain waste of money. You would o better getting rid of the vqr and upping dose of test.
 

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A friend of mine own a conpany in Eroupe, really on the money **** qnd he wouldn y life to me. He pressed pills regulztly. So I asked one day about thrsev59md dbol, 50 mg Anavar, 50 mg Winny. His response was go nobhighrrvthsb 29vlg on Anavar and Winny and no higher than 10 dbol. He said there is no way he could press a 50 mg dbol pill and have it not crumble. Same with Winny and var 20. He did say there is aa possibility and you get lucky but he's bitvwastingvthat product hoping they don't fall apart. He emphisised dbol over 10 as the worst. Said no way he could press 50 mg dbol. So maybe what you have is OK'
Personzlly I don't get this fascination with Anavar unless you're a woman. Weak drug, weak gain waste of money. You would o better getting rid of the vqr and upping dose of test.
A lot of people have had very positive results with var. The benefits are well documented. What about it don’t you understand?
 
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A lot of people have had very positive results with var. The benefits are well documented. What about it don’t you understand?
He is right testosterone on itself is far stronger then anavar and anavar is quite expensive. Gains on testosterone are far bigger. The only thing anavar has going for itself is the idea that it helps get rid of belly fat. This however is not 100% proven. Anavar is quite expensive compared to other steroids so is it worth the bang for your buck ?

Anyway I have used it and can't say if it was the diet, the test or the anavar that helped me get rid of my fat on my belly. Probably 70% diet and 30% anavar / test.

Just an opinion of cours like yours.
 
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He is right testosterone on itself is far stronger then anavar and anavar is quite expensive. Gains on testosterone are far bigger. The only thing anavar has going for itself is the idea that it helps get rid of belly fat. This however is not 100% proven. Anavar is quite expensive compared to other steroids so is it worth the bang for your buck ?

Anyway I have used it and can't say if it was the diet, the test or the anavar that helped me get rid of my fat on my belly. Probably 70% diet and 30% anavar / test.

Just an opinion of cours like yours.

Hold on there. While i do agree anavar is weak i lm not sure its weaker than testosterone. Imagine takomg 40mg of var ed, thats 280mg of test a week. There's no way youd get better results with test. Most of the gains with higher doses of test is water and while var can hold water its not to the degree of test. If you go 500mg of test youd have to go around 71mg of var a day and thats quite high. Weight and muscle tissue are two different things.
 
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I've been on test @ 350mg/week for about 6 weeks and oxandrolone for 1 week. i was running oxandrolone @ 3/4 of a 50mg tab for a week to test the waters. now ill bump up the dose to 50mg. i have enough for 12 weeks, but i might just run it for 6.

Goal is to cut.

I'm 6'3, 205. Ive been eating in a 500 calorie deficit (2500 cals a day max, with few exceptions) for over a month and i haven't lost a pound so im guessing the test is doing its work?

I ate 3/4 of a pizza to myself yesterday and didnt get bloated, so i think the oxandrolone is working.
Not lost a pound in a month? Something is defo not right. Test + Anavar in a deficit you will still be losing weight. You '' may '' add a little muscle on but the fat reduction would outweigh the muscle gain.

How are you tracking food? Accurately? With your height and weight 2500 cal's is still low i would say unless your pretty sedentary? Which i doubt.... I cut on 2500 cal's at 5ft9 160 pounds. I am fairly active though but nothing major.

I would look at your diet more than anything. Such an important aspect when cutting weight.
 

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A friend of mine own a conpany in Eroupe, really on the money **** qnd he wouldn y life to me. He pressed pills regulztly. So I asked one day about thrsev59md dbol, 50 mg Anavar, 50 mg Winny. His response was go nobhighrrvthsb 29vlg on Anavar and Winny and no higher than 10 dbol. He said there is no way he could press a 50 mg dbol pill and have it not crumble. Same with Winny and var 20. He did say there is aa possibility and you get lucky but he's bitvwastingvthat product hoping they don't fall apart. He emphisised dbol over 10 as the worst. Said no way he could press 50 mg dbol. So maybe what you have is OK'
Personzlly I don't get this fascination with Anavar unless you're a woman. Weak drug, weak gain waste of money. You would o better getting rid of the vqr and upping dose of test.
Mine is from a US pharmacy, so im sure its close to 50mg
 

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Not lost a pound in a month? Something is defo not right. Test + Anavar in a deficit you will still be losing weight. You '' may '' add a little muscle on but the fat reduction would outweigh the muscle gain.

How are you tracking food? Accurately? With your height and weight 2500 cal's is still low i would say unless your pretty sedentary? Which i doubt.... I cut on 2500 cal's at 5ft9 160 pounds. I am fairly active though but nothing major.

I would look at your diet more than anything. Such an important aspect when cutting weight.

I count the calories and fats and carbs for each meal. 3 of my "meals" are protein isolate with peanut butter. Easily countable. I could be off by a small amount, but probably not much.

My other two meals are actual food. i shoot to make them 400-500 calories. They usually consist of chicken, some carbohydrate like rice or sweet potato plus veggies, and maybe some fruit. I dont weigh the chicken, but i look at the label and see how much the entire package weighs and i make my serving sizes from that, and rice is easily countable by cups. Yeah i know thats crude but i sincerely doubt my counting is off by a lot.
 

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Not lost a pound in a month? Something is defo not right. Test + Anavar in a deficit you will still be losing weight. You '' may '' add a little muscle on but the fat reduction would outweigh the muscle gain.

How are you tracking food? Accurately? With your height and weight 2500 cal's is still low i would say unless your pretty sedentary? Which i doubt.... I cut on 2500 cal's at 5ft9 160 pounds. I am fairly active though but nothing major.

I would look at your diet more than anything. Such an important aspect when cutting weight.
I dont really agree with this. A few months ago, i was cutting on 1800 calories with havoc, dermatrest and 11oxo. I was 6’2 208. Weight didnt budge but 2” came off my waist.

The body does weird stuff on gear.
 
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I dont really agree with this. A few months ago, i was cutting on 1800 calories with havoc, dermatrest and 11oxo. I was 6’2 208. Weight didnt budge but 2” came off my waist.

The body does weird stuff on gear.
Exactly this. Just because your not losing weight doesn’t mean your not cutting. If you take body measurements you can compare. You should be able to tell visually in the mirror. Depending on what compounds I’m running I usually start to see my body changing daily at that point. Unless you have a need to be a certain weight I personally wouldn’t worry about it to much.
 
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Exactly, steroids keeps you from getting fat. Oxandrolone do have a tendency to bloat, theres nothing "dry" about it even if it helps get rid of fat. If you want to be dry its winstrol you should go for.
A lot of UGL Anavar IS Winnie and many times guys will claim crazy dryness unaware they actually took Winnie. How often this happens I don’t know. But beware of inexpensive Var.
 

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I went to the doctors yesterday and my bp was 170/something. I thought my hemotocrit had crept up but when i went in to donate blood, my hemoglobin was 13.5. So i guess im going to hop on cycle support.
 
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I went to the doctors yesterday and my bp was 170/something. I thought my hemotocrit had crept up but when i went in to donate blood, my hemoglobin was 13.5. So i guess im going to hop on cycle support.
13.5 is low end isn’t it?
 

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Mine was 16.7 and I’ve never donated and my Doc was like “that’s great! maybe once it actually gets high, we can get you to donate”
Yeah super low. 13 is the cut off. i wish i knew it was that low, if i did i wouldnt have donated. Lesson learned. Next time ill get my hematocrit checked first through labcorp.
 
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Yeah super low. 13 is the cut off. i wish i knew it was that low, if i did i wouldnt have donated. Lesson learned. Next time ill get my hematocrit checked first through labcorp.
Dude enjoy it while you can. I worry about clots and heart attacks every day and mine are in range currently. It’ll get up there if you’re blasting and cursing eventually
 

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A lot of UGL Anavar IS Winnie and many times guys will claim crazy dryness unaware they actually took Winnie. How often this happens I don’t know. But beware of inexpensive Var.
I've never used winny, but have done numerous var cycles.

Var, wether I ran it on or off a test cycle, always jacked me up (super saturation of creatine, roughly explained) within 5 days or so.

No other steroid has had such an immediate effect on body comp like var, dunno how anyone who knew wtf they were doing could mistake winny for var.
 
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A lot of UGL Anavar IS Winnie and many times guys will claim crazy dryness unaware they actually took Winnie. How often this happens I don’t know. But beware of inexpensive Var.

This is very common but having ran both you can really tell quite easily if it's one or the other. They help leaning out but thats where the comparison ends
 
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He is right testosterone on itself is far stronger then anavar and anavar is quite expensive. Gains on testosterone are far bigger. The only thing anavar has going for itself is the idea that it helps get rid of belly fat. This however is not 100% proven. Anavar is quite expensive compared to other steroids so is it worth the bang for your buck ?

Anyway I have used it and can't say if it was the diet, the test or the anavar that helped me get rid of my fat on my belly. Probably 70% diet and 30% anavar / test.

Just an opinion of cours like yours.
Anavar has very pronounced strength gains at higher doses. One would make much better strength gains, combined with fat loss aS well as have better body re composition stacking the two.. Think of it like this 150mg of test stacked with a 100mg of Var absolutely craps on taking just 250mg of test alone. Why? Because VAR works!! Oh and VAR is not that expensive unless it’s pharma.
 

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2 week mark will be this following monday. I am noticing definite changes in body composition now. love handles and fat on my belly are disappearing. Strength has not changed much yet. I feel more calm and less tense than usual despite my BP being elevated.
 
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Anavar has very pronounced strength gains at higher doses. One would make much better strength gains, combined with fat loss aS well as have better body re composition stacking the two.. Think of it like this 150mg of test stacked with a 100mg of Var absolutely craps on taking just 250mg of test alone. Why? Because VAR works!! Oh and VAR is not that expensive unless it’s pharma.
Yes I know that but not many people will take 100mg of var the damage to liver is high. 500 mg of test on the other hand is cheaper and has no problems with the liver and will give more muscle (no retention water if you take some anastazole).

So on a mg gram base anavar looks stronger but it is limited by it liver toxisity to take in higher doses. So testosterone rules for sure.

My opinion of course and yes I have run anavar, here in Thailand its quite easy to get (and so are most other steroids)
 
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Anyone know how long most people can run a relatively high dose (80 - 100 mg/day) of Anavar for before suffering legit liver damage?
 
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Anyone know how long most people can run a relatively high dose (80 - 100 mg/day) of Anavar for before suffering legit liver damage?
I’m certain there’s those that would disagree, but your body has amazing built in self preservation and survival mechanisms.
The reason you’ll never see anyone on any forum ever, with liver damage isn’t because we are all getting labs, it’s because once it gets bad, you will feel like warmed up death.
You could probably run high dose Var 28 weeks before cirrhosis could occur, but you wouldn’t make it to week 16. You’ll be vomiting, won’t be able to get out of bed, your eyes will burn and be yellow, your skin will itch like a mutherfucker, your piss will be brown, and you won’t be able to eat.
ALL BEFORE long term damage is even close to happening. You could probably get a lot of time out of Var, so go for it, your body will absolutely tell you when it’s done.
 
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I’m certain there’s those that would disagree, but your body has amazing built in self preservation and survival mechanisms.
The reason you’ll never see anyone on any forum ever, with liver damage isn’t because we are all getting labs, it’s because once it gets bad, you will feel like warmed up death.
You could probably run high dose Var 28 weeks before cirrhosis could occur, but you wouldn’t make it to week 16. You’ll be vomiting, won’t be able to get out of bed, your eyes will burn and be yellow, your skin will itch like a mutherfucker, your piss will be brown, and you won’t be able to eat.
ALL BEFORE long term damage is even close to happening. You could probably get a lot of time out of Var, so go for it, your body will absolutely tell you when it’s done.
A friend of mine went high doses on orals and after 14 weeks he ended up in the hospital with the symptoms you described. Not good for his training lost a lot of his gains and swore never to overdo orals again.
 
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A friend of mine went high doses on orals and after 14 weeks he ended up in the hospital with the symptoms you described. Not good for his training lost a lot of his gains and swore never to overdo orals again.
That’s some serious dedication and tenacity right there
I have yet to run a 6th week. I’m so damn done by end of week 5, I can’t wait to get off.
 

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I’m certain there’s those that would disagree, but your body has amazing built in self preservation and survival mechanisms.
The reason you’ll never see anyone on any forum ever, with liver damage isn’t because we are all getting labs, it’s because once it gets bad, you will feel like warmed up death.
You could probably run high dose Var 28 weeks before cirrhosis could occur, but you wouldn’t make it to week 16. You’ll be vomiting, won’t be able to get out of bed, your eyes will burn and be yellow, your skin will itch like a mutherfucker, your piss will be brown, and you won’t be able to eat.
ALL BEFORE long term damage is even close to happening. You could probably get a lot of time out of Var, so go for it, your body will absolutely tell you when it’s done.
No need to use 100mg var/day.

I got plenty from 50mg daily....ime, once you ramp up psst 75mg, it is hell in joints. Lower dose var is beneficial for joint health, otoh...check PubMed.

Really 500mg test/week with 50mg var ed for 12 weeks (clomid on cycle from day 1) is very safe and wint have you losing GAINZ or feelibg like **** in PCT.
 
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I’m certain there’s those that would disagree, but your body has amazing built in self preservation and survival mechanisms.
The reason you’ll never see anyone on any forum ever, with liver damage isn’t because we are all getting labs, it’s because once it gets bad, you will feel like warmed up
No need to use 100mg var/day.

I got plenty from 50mg daily....ime, once you ramp up psst 75mg, it is hell in joints. Lower dose var is beneficial for joint health, otoh...check PubMed.

Really 500mg test/week with 50mg var ed for 12 weeks (clomid on cycle from day 1) is very safe and wint have you losing GAINZ or feelibg like **** in PCT.
Why would you run Clomid from day one of a 12 week Test and Var cycle. Clomid isn’t an AI and Clomid won’t help with gyno either.. This must be a misprint. You wouldn’t even start an AI until week 3 or 4 anyway.
 
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I’m certain there’s those that would disagree, but your body has amazing built in self preservation and survival mechanisms.
The reason you’ll never see anyone on any forum ever, with liver damage isn’t because we are all getting labs, it’s because once it gets bad, you will feel like warmed up
No need to use 100mg var/day.

I got plenty from 50mg daily....ime, once you ramp up psst 75mg, it is hell in joints. Lower dose var is beneficial for joint health, otoh...check PubMed.

Really 500mg test/week with 50mg var ed for 12 weeks (clomid on cycle from day 1) is very safe and wint have you losing GAINZ or feelibg like **** in PCT.
Why would you run Clomid from day one of a 12 week Test and Var cycle. Clomid isn’t an AI and Clomid won’t help with gyno either.. This must be a misprint. You wouldn’t even start an AI until week 3 or 4 anyway.
 
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Why would you run Clomid from day one of a 12 week Test and Var cycle. Clomid isn’t an AI and Clomid won’t help with gyno either.. This must be a misprint. You wouldn’t even start an AI until week 3 or 4 anyway.
You have a lot to learn.
 
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Anyone know how long most people can run a relatively high dose (80 - 100 mg/day) of Anavar for before suffering legit liver damage?
A long time. Years. But that would be stupid.
 
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Liver toxicity is sort of like having a patch of moss that every time you run oral steroids, you’re whacking it with a hammer. Parts of it will start to wither away slowly, but also will be regrown later.

If you spend too long whacking your patch of moss, it won’t be able to heal itself, and parts of it will stay scarred.

Eventually, you will run out of moss to whack as it’s ability to heal over time diminishes. And then you can no longer tolerate oral steroids.
 
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Liver toxicity is sort of like having a patch of moss that every time you run oral steroids, you’re whacking it with a hammer. Parts of it will start to wither away slowly, but also will be regrown later.

If you spend too long whacking your patch of moss, it won’t be able to heal itself, and parts of it will stay scarred.

Eventually, you will run out of moss to whack as it’s ability to heal over time diminishes. And then you can no longer tolerate oral steroids.
**** that’s the best way Ive seen it explained. Makes so much sense but never thought to explain it that way. I try to spread some more awareness around here about short term liver strain because a lot of guys don’t realize what the liver can do once the stressor is removed.
Kudos.
 
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Liver toxicity is sort of like having a patch of moss that every time you run oral steroids, you’re whacking it with a hammer. Parts of it will start to wither away slowly, but also will be regrown later.

If you spend too long whacking your patch of moss, it won’t be able to heal itself, and parts of it will stay scarred.

Eventually, you will run out of moss to whack as it’s ability to heal over time diminishes. And then you can no longer tolerate oral steroids.
Wow so scientifically wrong!!
 
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How would you explain it scientifically?
Jesus man, just google fatty liver man. I bet they won’t say it’s like pieces of moss falling off a moss patch. Lol!! FYI Tudca will do absolutely NOTHING until you discontinue taking the toxic substance at hand. It doesn’t negate toxicity it helps repair once you done. A lot of fools on this forum think it will help on cycle, but it won’t.
 
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Jesus man, just google fatty liver man. I bet they won’t say it’s like pieces of moss falling off a moss patch. Lol!! FYI Tudcq will do absolutely NOTHING until you discontinue taking the toxic substance at hand. It doesn’t negate toxicity it helps repair once you done.
But all the fools on this forum think it will help on cycle a but it won’t.
I guess the fools on this forum decided to go with the Scientific papers and Drs opinions on the subject, rather than ...... Where are you getting your info again?
 
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I guess the fools on this forum decided to go with the Scientific papers and Drs opinions on the subject, rather than ...... Where are you getting your info again?
Show me one study where Tuda reversed the effect of fatty liver and cirrhosis of a ACTIVE ALCOHOLIC that dink’s 10 drinks a day while on superdrol. But is showing no signs of raised liver enzyme but only showing signs of repair from tudca.


Again it does help repair once you stop ingesting the toxic substances. Listen to the reps bro $$$ run the Tudca pre, on and post cycle just to be safe. 😛
 

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