Overthinking/analyzing my ph

[jades1120]

Hey all. I'm looking to do start my first ph cycle and one of the things I read over and over in here is "do your research" "you're not ready if you don't know what ___ is"...I've done nothing but search stores that sell, people's reviews and experiences with certain ph's, what to use for pct...
I'm getting to the point where I feel I'm almost overthinking it. I haven't purchased a thing yet because A) I want to make sure I can get my SERM B) I want to be confident in my choice. Obviously some of my hesitation is because I'm new and I want to do it right but there are several products that really intrigue me. I'll give you my stats and goals and would love some advice for a ph.

27 years old
6'5"
210 lbs
aprox. 14% bf

Looking to bulk, I push hard in the gym and I will get the most out of whatever ph I choose. I currently don't work so I can devote every minute to good diet and intense workouts.

Considering: Part of me wants to try Methastadrol, partly because I am confident that I will be able to do the cycle right with current work (no work) situation. I will be able to really focus on my on cycle and pct along with diet and workout plan. Like I said I really want to get the most out of this experience. Otherwise I know Epi is really popular for starting up. It sounds safer but is it worth lesser gains? Am I being an idiot and could the gains be comparable? I guess its all a roll of the dice since everyone reacts differently. I'll take any and all advice. Thanks.

Sorry for another newbie post...

 

[OnionKnight]

the problem with starting strong is you havnt done a pct before. 99% of people that start strong lose everything during pct because they just havnt experienced it before. thats why its better to start slow with epistane or hdrol. recovery is really easy as long as you have your clomid or torem (dont get nolva alone plz).

btw, a lot of people will claim they kept everything a lot more often than admit they lost everything. what usually happens is your strength will rocket up andyoull gain 10-15 lbs. then they lose all the strength they got and keep 8 lbs or so. did they really keep everything? did they even gain anything that they couldnt do alone?

i did my first cycle unemployed. it was pretty cool getting to focus on it entirely and not having to pop pills or supports in the middle of work while giving retarded explanations of why youre taking vit B lol

 

[jades1120]

Good point about losing strength. If I go with something like Epi, what steps would you recommend in pct to ensure I keep most if not all of my strength gains? I feel I have a good grasp on what to take for pct, I'm asking more from a training/dieting standpoint. What is it exactly that causes first time users to lose what they gained?

 

[FL3X MAGNUM]

Good point about losing strength. If I go with something like Epi, what steps would you recommend in pct to ensure I keep most if not all of my strength gains? I feel I have a good grasp on what to take for pct, I'm asking more from a training/dieting standpoint. What is it exactly that causes first time users to lose what they gained?

Do not over train. Try not to push to failure often.
And EAT A LOT.

 

[jades1120]

Do not over train. Try not to push to failure often.
And EAT A LOT.

Oh boy, now I'm going to overthink my training...haha makes sense though, I need to recover to build. Thanks for the advice.

 

[OnionKnight]

well the biggest reason is no serm. but you dont have to worry so much on that

next mistakes are they dont eat enough. you should eat as much or more during pct. some people have some stupid fantasy about cutting during pct, thats fukin dumb. they also lower the trainin intensity which means they lack the stimulus to maintain or gain during pct. by intensity, i mean lift heavy during cycle and keep it heavy during pct. your main goal is to keep your new max, not improve or lower. when i did epistane, i actually got stronger during my pct.

sometimes things just happen though you cant help. an example is getting overzealous with your cycle and letting yourself get injured (happened to me). or since its winter time, you might get sick mid cycle, which will ruin everything (happened to me too because college is like a plague sesspool)

then you have the people that just train like ignorant magazine monkeys. the ones that do full body spllits that consist of no compound movements and solo days for arms and abs. gl tracking those kinds of workouts

fuk, flex beat me to it lol

 

[jades1120]

Good stuff. You're really helping me feel more comfortable about doing Epi. Before I would've said, "settling with Epi" but I think it will do just fine for me. I'm so excited for this cycle. Probably going to start ordering my stuff in next week or so when I settle on a brand. I'll be sure to keep my eating big, that shouldn't be a problem at all. I'm definitely not looking to cut at all so I'll have that bulking mindset straight through the end of my pct. Thanks for all of your advice. Can you tell me about your personal experiences with Epi? Any sides, how was your pct/gains...

 

[OnionKnight]

well first off, hold your order till black friday if you could. nutra will put all the ancillaries like ai, test boosters, supports on sale and save you a bunch of cash. research chem sites will also throw out some good deals

to make it short, i did epistane 30/30/45/45/45/45 on a below maintenance diet

188->192 lbs
265 bp -> 285 bp - > 295 bp during pct
275x5 squats -> 295x5 squats -> 315x3 pct. im admittably weak at my squats
385x5 deads -> 405x3 deads. stayed the same during pct

deads are a funny one. almost impossible for me to move up now because of some douche bag trainer. he wants to me waste hella energy setting them down softly instead of slamming them down like i should be doing. i hate my gym with a passion right now, but its all i have. not too many bare bones out where i live

the key here is that i was on a cutting diet and i gained some ridiculous strength. i switched from cut to above maintenance during pct. and my pct consisted of erase, daa, and clomid 50/50/25/25. i stayed the same weight during pct

as for sides, alls i got was some acne on my back. but i did this during spring so im gonna blame the weather change and sweat. it wasnt anything crazy like back rash or cysts or anything gross like that. i didnt get back pumps. i wasnt short fused or anything (still not sure where roid rage came from). i still fuked my gf a lot. epistane was badass to me. i also preloaded bulk hawthorne to save some money. didnt get any first week headaches either (very common)

 

[jades1120]

Wow that looks great. I'm sure I'll get a little bit of an acne problem, I feel that I'm prone to that. It's really good to hear about the sex drive though, I'm married and my wife wouldn't be too pleased if I was absent for 2 months haha
I know how you feel about the deadlifts. Some gyms just suck and if it's what you've got it's what you've got. I was stuck going to a ymca for a while a couple months ago, crazy traffic in the weight room and only one squat rack...not cool

I appreciate you throwing out your experience with Epi, and thanks for the advice for black friday, what great timing!

 

[FL3X MAGNUM]

I've found that on cycle most of my libido problems can be blamed on performance anxiety and not actual shutdown issues..
If I go in to the situation worrying about "things" it's guaranteed to be problematic.

You can spend all cycle worrying that your shutdown is going to cause problems or you can just forget that the potential is even there lol.

 

[Montego1]

I've found that on cycle most of my libido problems can be blamed on performance anxiety and not actual shutdown issues..
If I go in to the situation worrying about "things" it's guaranteed to be problematic.

You can spend all cycle worrying that your shutdown is going to cause problems or you can just forget that the potential is even there lol.

Hrrrrrm......I'm gonna leave that one alone Just wait till you start getting nitrate boners bud lol.

 

[FL3X MAGNUM]

Hrrrrrm......I'm gonna leave that one alone Just wait till you start getting nitrate boners bud lol.

Pics or it didn't happen?

 

[mw1]

Good stuff. You're really helping me feel more comfortable about doing Epi. Before I would've said, "settling with Epi" but I think it will do just fine for me. I'm so excited for this cycle. Probably going to start ordering my stuff in next week or so when I settle on a brand. I'll be sure to keep my eating big, that shouldn't be a problem at all. I'm definitely not looking to cut at all so I'll have that bulking mindset straight through the end of my pct. Thanks for all of your advice. Can you tell me about your personal experiences with Epi? Any sides, how was your pct/gains...

Epi and Hdrol are both very similar in regards to gains and sides. I would recommend one of those with Cycle Assist on cycle. What PCT were you planning to use? I basic pc of Nolva /DAA should suffice

 

[jades1120]

Epi and Hdrol are both very similar in regards to gains and sides. I would recommend one of those with Cycle Assist on cycle. What PCT were you planning to use? I basic pc of Nolva /DAA should suffice

I was planning on Clomid, DAA and was thinking about a natural test booster (maybe test isn't necessary?). What do you think about tudca for Epi? Is that overkill?

 

[OnionKnight]

I was planning on Clomid, DAA and was thinking about a natural test booster (maybe test isn't necessary?). What do you think about tudca for Epi? Is that overkill?

not if you can afford it

 

[mw1]

I was planning on Clomid, DAA and was thinking about a natural test booster (maybe test isn't necessary?). What do you think about tudca for Epi? Is that overkill?

Tudca is good for liver support but im sure Cycle Assist will have you covered in that regard

 

[GeekPoop]

I've found that on cycle most of my libido problems can be blamed on performance anxiety and not actual shutdown issues..
If I go in to the situation worrying about "things" it's guaranteed to be problematic.

You can spend all cycle worrying that your shutdown is going to cause problems or you can just forget that the potential is even there lol.

x2 on this. if you think you have a problem, you're going to have a problem.

I was planning on Clomid, DAA and was thinking about a natural test booster (maybe test isn't necessary?). What do you think about tudca for Epi? Is that overkill?

you're fine. optional coritsol supp like reduce xt, but you seem to have it covered!

 

[jades1120]

I'm feeling good about this. Thanks for all of the support and input guys. I will try to not worry about shutting down haha "positive thoughts!"

 

[snyderd1972]

Epistane is very underrated in my opinion. Just as effective as superdrol over the long run because you can run it longer. Back pumps were an issue for me 4-5 gms of taurine took care of that but it seemed like the taurine took a couple of days to kick in.

One more thing it is very easy to become dehydrated on cycle drink alot of water.