Over-The-Counter SERMs?

michaelpc29

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Im very new to these forums but i have been reading for days upon days and i was just wondering if any of the PCT estrogen blockers are enough for sdrol (the replacement for superdrol). I just feel like alot of these products state that they stop the conversion from test to estrogen, i was just wondering what everyones input was. Please be easy on me Im new to all of this so please explain.
 
That's why I am asking questions on a body building forum community so that i dont do anything stupid and ruin my nuts or end up with boobs. Like I said please respond with helpful answers, and not just..... your an idiot dont takem because you dont know what your doing.. and if i shouldnt take sdrol than do you have any advice on what i should start on?
 
there is no otc serms, you need to find you own through someone, as for sdrol it has some pretty harsh sides of not done right, and in some cases isnt a good cycle for a frist timer.

If you have no way of getting serms you might want to look in the PCT sections and read read read read.

you can skate by with a otc PCT but then agains its better to have a serm with superdrol
something like
Formex
Post cycle support
DTHC (diesel test hardcore)
stoked
lean fx
lean xtreme
pct assist
is all good things to run during your pct but not all at once!!!
go reading and search !!!
 
First off welcome to the boards! You'll find heaps of information in all the subforums and be sure to make use of the nifty search button. It will help you a ton. Now first things first, superdrol is pretty much at the bottom of the list of PH/DS (Pro Hormones/ Designer Steroids) that you want to take your first time. Most everyone (myself included) come here for the first time and immediately find the strongest steroids there are through research, typically superdrol pops up the most. Once we find it, we HAVe to have it lol. Not a good idea because all we're lookin for is the mother bitch of steroids that will make us look like arnold in 4 weeks flat. Stay away from the harsh ****, guys have completely screwed themselves up faster then you can say "I'm swole!". :laugh2:

As far as "OTC" Serms, alot of them do block estrogen conversion to an extent but with the majority of compounds in the steroid world they are certainly not enough. A SERM is therefore absolutely needed with any of the harsher compounds (Sdrol, Mdrol, any superdrol clone, etc..) There is a major list of harsh compounds be sure to use the search feature and you will find what you're looking for. One of my favorite threads here is a compiled list of some of the common stuff out there to use. Search for "Desiger Sterod Prohormone Profiles" Very nifty place to start.

Superdrol is in my opinion something you should graduate to eventually. Think of it in high school math terms. You first start with algebra, then you move to geometry, and then end with calculus. Superdrol is the calculus :P There are many good PH/DS for you to start with that are in that "algebra" class. Hdrol being one of the better ones. It will give you decent "DRY" gains (minimal body fat, majority lean mass), and very minimal sides. In my opinion it is one of the very least harsh compounds to choose from and a SERM isn't entirely necessary.

HOWEVER, this is going to be the most important thing you follow in the world of PH/DS. NO MATTER HOW GENTLE OR HARSH THE COMPOUND IS YOU NEED TO HAVE A SERM ON HAND. It is a rule that SHOULD be followed by everyone. SERM's are very powerful and I would highly recommend you do many searches on this topic lol. If you do your research you'll find that compounds like Hdrol can be recovered from with products like A.I. Post Cycle Support, Formex, or Reversitol.

My advice to you would be to search the following three things.
1) Beginner Cycle(s) - should give decent search results to give you an idea of things
2) SERM(s)
3) Post Cycle Support or PCS

Good luck man! Oh and btw, you will find very intelligent people here with awesome advice try to listen to some of the veterans they usually know what their talking about. Be prepared to, some guys will jump down your throat if you say something stupid, just remember they are being mean to help you keep from killing yourself :laugh2::laugh2:
 
ninjarider45 said:
As far as "OTC" Serms, alot of them do block estrogen conversion to an extent but with the majority of compounds in the steroid world they are certainly not enough.
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I think you may be confusing SERMs and aromatase inhibitors. There aren't really any OTC SERMs, and aromatase inhibitors, not SERMs, block estrogen conversion. SERMs' (Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator) primary mode of action is to antagonize/block the estrogen receptor to keep estrogens from doing their job. Aromatase is the enzyme that converts androgens to estrogens, so AIs bind to aromatase to keep the androgens from doing so, therefor preventing conversion to estrogens.
 
michaelpc29 said:
That's why I am asking questions on a body building forum community so that i dont do anything stupid and ruin my nuts or end up with boobs. Like I said please respond with helpful answers, and not just..... your an idiot dont takem because you dont know what your doing.. and if i shouldnt take sdrol than do you have any advice on what i should start on?
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I hope you find the info you desire...but at the same time, hold off on running superdrol for a bit. Personally, if you got a great PCT...I dont see why not do whichever poison you desire to do first. Every one will tell you epi or halo, but really its broscience and unprecedented.

Just know what your doing. Superdrol is supposedly one of the tougher orals to run(side wise) then again there are people on here who absolutely love it and run it often when they do cycles.

Every ones biochemistry is different.

There are no OTC replacements for SERM's, people are working on them, but nothing pans out. SERM's are quite possibly the easiest and safest (legality wise) to obtain of the AAS/PH dark side items that should be legal anyways in a "free" country -.-

Whats your age/weight/hight/training/etc info? That will let some of the more involved adn experienced members on here really give you some insight. But ultimately it is YOUR body and YOU have to listen to what it tells you. IF you do run superdrol, listen to your body, very closely. You will have sides, but if you experience any kind of internal pain, be careful...

Just dont hurt yourself, that is what people here are trying to say. Its just dealing with alot of dumb people daily has hardened alot of them, and such. Dont take anyone the wrong way if they come across as brash. They just dont want you posting "Help my balls are the size of peas" or "OMGWTF I HAVE BOOOBS!!!!11!" 3 months from now because you tried to use an OTC AI plus some nolvodex(from gaspari?) as PCT.

Be safe, Be PATIENT, study, think, and weigh the decisions carefully. Meditate on this steroid idea. I have done it for 2 years, and have really really come to appreciate them for what they are, theyr ability to aid us in our goals, and their abilities to make life hard on someone who does not respect the seriousness of what they are playing in. Here is a helpful tip. Dont take steroids, until you understand how they work. Pathways, enzymes, receptors, all the things it can bind to, free and bound effects of the substances in your body(hormones), and so on. Doing this and learning the pathways, or in some cases "suspected" pathways steroids take, you can much better understand, feel, and curve any side effects. And have a safer cycle.

Honestly I love learning about this, I will recommend picking up Seth Robers "Anabolic Pharmacology". It has multiplied my understanding ten fold, and I won it not too long ago, an amazing score! It is essentially a college course on the subject of anabolics, but put in a much more understandable presentation. That or some other good reads should be a first thing before anyone hops on, and you know what, alot of bad endings could be prevented.

Best of luck bro! Let us know what you decide to do, if you do run it, or another PH(I would recommend picking another), log it on here so people can watch, help out, give advice on lifting/diet if you have something thats off, etc. This is a great community, and when you study it, a great source of information. Just be sure to sift out the "opinions" people state as "fact". Which we all do that sometimes.
 
id listen to these guys man.they know theyre stuff and you definitely need to use a SERM if youre going to run superdrol.you may get by on an otc PCT if you run something that isnt as harsh, like hdrol(i would still recommend a SERM).6 bromo is ingredient in the AI your going to want to look at, its money.Again tho a SERM is something you should always have on hand before starting any cycle.
 
This thread is turning out to be alot of very good information for me thank you for all of your help, please keep whatever you guys are thinking coming...
 
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