Ostarine, dermacrine, gw 0742, enclomaphine log, first time on enhancement

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First log on here (new member). Reason for posting this is A.) feedback/insight from others and B.) to create a repository for others starting a similar protocol.

About myself:
I was always skinny growing up, walking weight was 135-140lbs, 10%bf at 5'8", so let's just say small. Around the middle of college I got tired of it and started lifting often. I never took it serious enough to keep everything perfect but I was consistent enough to gain ~25lbs of muscle in a four year period naturally lifting 3-4 days a week.

I stopped lifting and fitness altogether for the last 3 years because of life. As predicted, I lost most of it and got impressively skinny fat.

3-4 months ago I decided to get back into it and have been taking it pretty seriously since. I've been on a 6 day PPL split, hitting it as hard as possible. I have had one cheat day in this time and have consumed less than 10 drinks of booze as well. While my gains have come back very fast (even faster than they did as a newbie surprisingly) and the fat loss has gone smoothly (on a cut), it will still take another 8 months- year to get close to where I was 3 years ago. After much thought, I have decided to start some minor enhancement to speed up the process of getting back my old stats. I've been timid to do so because I suffer from male pattern baldness and have never done anything like this before.

Snapshot of my progress:
-Stats 3 years ago: 160lbs, 12% bf.
-Stats 3 months ago: 165lbs, 25% bf.
-Stats today: 157lbs, 16% bf.

Status photos are posted below.

Goals:
I'm not looking to add crazy amounts of muscle, just want to get close to where I was at before while minimizing potential impact on hair loss and additional side-effects. I'm completely fine if I only gain 1-2lbs of muscle, even less, as long as the recomp is easier. Dieting for the last 4 months has definitely been a slog. My take is I've been able to continue to gain muscle while on a cut, a moderate ostarine cycle should help speed things up a little.

Protocol:
I started gw 0742 about 3 weeks ago to aid with my cut. It's been a complete game changer even at a low dose of 7mg daily. I'm currently in the process of sourcing everything else in the title and getting bloods done. I drank quite a bit over the weekend for St. Paddies day parade so want to give a couple of days before I go in. Below is the protocol I will start once everything has been sourced and blood work checks out.

Week 1:
-Ostarine 10mg daily.
-Dermacrine 2 pumps daily.
-GW-0742 continue with 7-10mg a day (if necessary).

Week 2:
-Ostarine 15mg daily.
-Dermacrine 2 pumps daily.
-GW-0742 continue with 7-10mg a day (if necessary).

Week 3:
-Ostarine 20mg daily.
-Dermacrine 3 pumps daily.
-GW-0742 continue with 7-10mg a day (if necessary).

Week 4:
-Ostarine 20mg daily.
-Dermacrine 3 pumps daily.
-GW-0742 continue with 7-10mg a day (if necessary).

Week 5:
-Ostarine 20mg daily.
-Dermacrine 3 pumps daily.
-GW-0742 continue with 7-10mg a day (if necessary).

Week 6:
-Ostarine 20mg daily.
-Dermacrine 3 pumps daily.
-GW-0742 continue with 7-10mg a day (if necessary).
-Enclomaphine- Potentially start, depending on if suppression is going on, 12.5mg.

Week 7:
-Ostarine 20mg daily.
-Dermacrine 3 pumps daily.
-GW-0742 continue with 7-10mg a day (if necessary).
-Enclomaphine- Potentially start, depending on if suppression is going on, 12.5mg.

Week 8:
-Ostarine 20mg daily.
-Dermacrine 3 pumps daily.
-GW-0742 continue with 7-10mg a day (if necessary).
-Enclomaphine- Potentially start, depending on if suppression is going on, 12.5mg.

I know this is not the most intense cycle, and I'm sure I will get a lot of recommendations to just do test. After the research I've done however, it seems like these supplements fall in line with my goals of assistance with getting my gains back while minimizing side-effects, namely mpb.

I will start posting weekly logs once I begin, which should start about a week or two from now. In the mean time, I'd love to hear any feedback or insight from others. I'm really open to anything, the more you know, the better.
 
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Ime, ostarine doesn’t even gets started til 25mg...I KNOW you can make huuuggeee gains at your size, naturally...by upping the cals and consider training either full body Monday, Wed, Friday or upper/lower M/T/T/F.

Wait til you’re 175 naturally before you cycle and just might end up happier and more fulfilled.

If you go with your current cycle, I think your gains will be mostly placebo, and muscle memory. (Dermacrine is a great product and props for including it)

*Throwing in an edit, if you just want to be 160 at 12 or so bf%, I think just stick with the cardarine and stay the course, anabolics and being suppressed isn’t needed.
 
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In on this as well!
 

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Ime, ostarine doesn’t even gets started til 25mg...I KNOW you can make huuuggeee gains at your size, naturally...by upping the cals and consider training either full body Monday, Wed, Friday or upper/lower M/T/T/F.

Wait til you’re 175 naturally before you cycle and just might end up happier and more fulfilled.

If you go with your current cycle, I think your gains will be mostly placebo, and muscle memory. (Dermacrine is a great product and props for including it)

*Throwing in an edit, if you just want to be 160 at 12 or so bf%, I think just stick with the cardarine and stay the course, anabolics and being suppressed isn’t needed.
I can certainly agree with most all of this. And to be honest, this is how I’ve always felt. After a lot of thought however, I want to at least give it a shot and see how it goes.

My main issue is that while aesthetically, I am starting to look better, I’m also beginning to look pretty damn small while on this cut and I plan to cut a lot more. The goal is 9% with as much muscle as possible (hopefully I can continue to squeak out some more old gains while on this cut). I’m not in any kind of rush but I just hit 30 years old a month ago and would love to be near to what I was back when I was 25 sooner rather than later.

To help frame the scenario, I’ve decided to put ego aside and post some photos. I unfortunately don’t have many good photos of myself from back in the day so we’ll hop straight to the bad. I also didn’t take any photos when I was 167 25%bf but I was very small and very fat, exactly what you’d expect for 167 at 25%.

After 2.5 months of training again (5-6 weeks ago), here I am at ~162 19% bf:
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Here I am last week, about 3-4 months being back to training at 158lbs 15-16%bf:
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I’m definitely getting leaner but obviously getting pretty dang small and I still have a lot of fat to lose.

Regarding hitting full body 3x a week, I actually started a great routine initially that did that. What I found was that since I was effectively a noobie again, I was overtraining week-after-week and had to take it lighter towards the latter half of the week.

This is when I went to 6 day ppl and noticed faster gains since my noobie body could handle the recovery.

I’d consider going back to hitting full body 3x a week while on the ostarine if my body could take it. I went overboard with the cardio while on this cut: hitting 900-1000 NEAT calories a day per my Apple Watch. It impacted strength so started walking two hours a day instead and also purchased a stationary cycle. The strength has come back since taking it easier on the cardio which made me very happy. Just want to get my strength back as well. It’s kind of embarrassing only repping a plate and 35 on bench day!
 
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Looking lean for sure in the pics!
 

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Looking lean for sure in the pics!
Got a very long way to go, looking like dad bod deluxe over here. Maybe a UFC fighter who has been retired for 2-3 years.

I think I’m going to try and cut a couple more pounds before starting my cycle. I just want to make sure I’m coming out of the cycle at 9% so I don’t have to continue the cut once I hit pct.

Always have to be happy with progress each step of the way, even little as it may be. Baby steps.
 
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Yep consistency and baby steps are key in this game!
 

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Since I may have started this log a bit early: I was lucky to get an enclo order in the day after the vendor restocked (not sure if I can name names on here) but it will probably take 3 weeks to come in, I want to take a moment to discuss gw 0742 so far in an attempt to add some value to this thread.

I know many who have enjoyed cardarine have been curious about the compound since it is new.

I was pretty deep in this cut when I decided I could use some help. I had gone from 24%bf to about 20% and you all know how things start to get after you’ve lost about 4-5lbs. I was maintaining strength pretty well, even increasing it but volume dropped substantially as my glycogen stores were depleted and I was leaving the gym much earlier. Every time I’ve cut in the past I just get so paranoid about losing strength. It’s the Napoleon complex in me I suppose. I hate losing strength more than anything and I’d honestly take strength over mass more often than not.

I started at just 5mg and immediately noticed the effects. If you are eating at maintenance, or are early in your cut, you probably won’t notice much. Gw0742 is very subtle, you won’t have any frantic energy like caffeine or anything. My first time hitting the gym after starting it, I was able to lift even longer, and the same volume, as when I was eating at maintenance.

You know that feeling you get towards the end of a session at the gym? Where you’re worn out, thinking about if you should finish those last two sets of your last two exercises, and bail on them. On gw 0742, you never even think about how many sets you have left in your session that day. You are able to complete your full program that day, at full volume, and full intensity, despite being in a strong caloric deficit. Not only that, but you have no problem doing several hours of cardio afterwards.

The anti catabolic effects are also very noticeable, I’ve been able to gain strength while on an average daily deficit of 500-750 calories. I'm sure my situation is a little different than most since I'm starting from scratch after having built a lot of natural mass years ago. I think once you've expanded your muscle tissue once, it's exponentially easier to grow it back after training resumes. I can't say with a straight face however that gw-0742 isn't the predominant reason I've been able to grow so quickly while being on this cut.

I have noticed that it’s very easy to overtrain on this compound however. It causes kind of a disconnect between what your body can actually handle at the time and what you’re able to do. Since starting it, I’ve been getting a lot of bruising, namely on my arms, after heavy deadlift days (you can see it in my bicep in the photo posted above). I can hit those really heavy days hard, almost harder than before, but my body really feels the impact and just can’t keep up the next day. Not sure if that makes sense. I’ve always been prone to overtraining and gw 0742 has made this tendency worse.

I have not noticed any impact on heart since starting.

It’s also raised my bmr quite a lot. I’d say an average of 300-500 calories per day which has allowed me to do slightly less cardio (getting really tired of how much daily cardio I have to do, always too intense but short hiit or stupid 2 hour walks).

I highly recommend it and it’s been a game changer for myself.
 
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Ime, ostarine doesn’t even gets started til 25mg...I KNOW you can make huuuggeee gains at your size, naturally...by upping the cals and consider training either full body Monday, Wed, Friday or upper/lower M/T/T/F.

Wait til you’re 175 naturally before you cycle and just might end up happier and more fulfilled.

If you go with your current cycle, I think your gains will be mostly placebo, and muscle memory. (Dermacrine is a great product and props for including it)

*Throwing in an edit, if you just want to be 160 at 12 or so bf%, I think just stick with the cardarine and stay the course, anabolics and being suppressed isn’t needed.
For me Osta was too weak to make gains (on top of what I would've made naturally) @ 25 mg, but works well on maintaining muscle on a cut and for that purpose I didn't notest a difference in 15 mg and 25 mg. This just my experience.
 

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For me Osta was too weak to make gains (on top of what I would've made naturally) @ 25 mg, but works well on maintaining muscle on a cut and for that purpose I didn't notest a difference in 15 mg and 25 mg. This just my experience.
This is exactly the kind of feedback I was hoping to receive. I’ve gone through a hundred or so ostarine logs. While it continues to look like the safest option with mpb in mind, the other side effects experienced for gains seems 50/50. Half the threads I came across the person had material suppression with lukewarm gains.

For more concrete goals, I’d be happy with something that maybe adds ~3 lbs of keepable lean mass. Do you think a mild 8 week 20mg ostarine cycle is capable of that (on average of course, everyone is different)?

If not, is there a better alternative that will also be easy on my hair? I have been on finestaride for the last decade so I’m sure that my current regiment could potentially handle the increased conversion to dht but am unsure. Hoping someone who has real mpb comes across this.
 
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This is exactly the kind of feedback I was hoping to receive. I’ve gone through a hundred or so ostarine logs. While it continues to look like the safest option with mpb in mind, the other side effects experienced for gains seems 50/50. Half the threads I came across the person had material suppression with lukewarm gains.

For more concrete goals, I’d be happy with something that maybe adds ~3 lbs of keepable lean mass. Do you think a mild 8 week 20mg ostarine cycle is capable of that (on average of course, everyone is different)?

If not, is there a better alternative that will also be easy on my hair? I have been on finestaride for the last decade so I’m sure that my current regiment could potentially handle the increased conversion to dht but am unsure. Hoping someone who has real mpb comes across this.
I'd say it's possible with Osta, but could be possible as natty also. The rule of thumb is that anything hormonal can induce hair shedding, if predisposed to it, but generally the dht derivatives and analogs are the worst for hair. But theres difference's among those compounds also. Plenty of guys afraid of loosing their hair here, should be able to find some help there. 1-Andro + 4-Andro is a pretty popular first cycle. Very much info to be found, not too harsh on the body and would suite better for adding mucle than Osta.
 
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I'd say it's possible with Osta, but could be possible as natty also. The rule of thumb is that anything hormonal can induce hair shedding, if predisposed to it, but generally the dht derivatis and analogs are the worst for hair. But theres difference among those compounds also. Plenty of guys afraid of loosing their hair here, should be able to find some help there. 1-Andro + 4-Andro is a pretty popular first cycle. Very much info to be found, not too harsh on the body and would suite better for adding mucle than Osta.
Appreciate the recommendation, will do some research on it.

I know everyone reacts differently to compounds but it seems like the sides are a little bit more predictable consistent on the ph/aas side compared to sarms, especially considering the muscle gain advantage. Probably an overreaching comment but ostarine logs seem to tell a much different story than articles would have you believe.
 

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Looking at logs, 1-4 andro seems like a pretty smooth run anecdotally. Especially factoring in the much greater gains. Almost no one seems to recommend low dose ostarine runs. Would you say a low dose 4 andro run works pretty well?
 

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Reading more into 1 andro, on paper many have stated it’s more hair safe since it converts to 1-testosterone preventing it from increasing dht conversion. It’s also been stated as more anabolic. Not sure how much each of those statements hold water but interesting nonetheless.
 
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Looking at logs, 1-4 andro seems like a pretty smooth run anecdotally. Especially factoring in the much greater gains. Almost no one seems to recommend low dose ostarine runs. Would you say a low dose 4 andro run works pretty well?
Imo 4-Andro is a 'base product' for other anabolics that don't convert to T and E. For me it feels like it about replaces my normal androgen production while other ped(s) are keeping me suppressed. So I wouldn't do a 4-Andro only cycle myself, but maybe with high enough dosing it can be beneficial 🤷‍♂️ If you can get 4-AD, you might have better luck with, but I consider that to be a base product aswell.
 
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Reading more into 1 andro, on paper many have stated it’s more hair safe since it converts to 1-testosterone preventing it from increasing dht conversion. It’s also been stated as more anabolic. Not sure how much each of those statements hold water but interesting nonetheless.
I've never heard of hair shedding issues with 1-Andro, but with every anabolic it's possible. More anabolic than Osta? Yes, I'd say so.

But as you started this as a log, I think we've come quite far from the initial purpose. And I don't want to feel like I'm affecting your actions and decisions too much. Like @Rad83 said I too think you have some 'easy' gains to be made as natty still. If you've been on a cut several months now, then upping the cals for a few months and monitoring, that not too much fat is gained on the process, you should be in a position to make some nice lean gains without any ped's. Then you can do a cut again if to you looks like it would be beneficial.
 
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@KvanH has given some great info here.

1/4 andro properly will do far more in terms of size and strength than osta (it’s not even close).

anything suppressive (such as osta or the andro’s) is messing with your endocrine system and can potentially have a long term impact (we all know that but another study came out recently on it). As long as you are cool with that.

One should always seek to do things naturally and if you can achieve a physique that you are happy with naturally (and if you don’t have clinically low t) then it’s by far the best option (don’t get me wrong, I love anabolics myself and started with a 1-4 andro cycle, I now cruise and blast with test and god knows what year round).
 
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This is exactly the kind of feedback I was hoping to receive. I’ve gone through a hundred or so ostarine logs. While it continues to look like the safest option with mpb in mind, the other side effects experienced for gains seems 50/50. Half the threads I came across the person had material suppression with lukewarm gains.

For more concrete goals, I’d be happy with something that maybe adds ~3 lbs of keepable lean mass. Do you think a mild 8 week 20mg ostarine cycle is capable of that (on average of course, everyone is different)?

If not, is there a better alternative that will also be easy on my hair? I have been on finestaride for the last decade so I’m sure that my current regiment could potentially handle the increased conversion to dht but am unsure. Hoping someone who has real mpb comes across this.
LGD 4033. Great on a cut, won't cause DHT conversion, relatively easy to recover from (on par with ostarine IME). I'd run that at 10mg for 8 weeks with dermacrine then SERM for 4 weeks for PCT.
 
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I've never tried, but everything I've tried from Iconic Formulations has exceeded expectations.
nice...i highly recommend SA for pct.

i'm on trt and don't need to pct but when i cycle off i always include sustain alpha.
 

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I've never heard of hair shedding issues with 1-Andro, but with every anabolic it's possible. More anabolic than Osta? Yes, I'd say so.

But as you started this as a log, I think we've come quite far from the initial purpose. And I don't want to feel like I'm affecting your actions and decisions too much. Like @Rad83 said I too think you have some 'easy' gains to be made as natty still. If you've been on a cut several months now, then upping the cals for a few months and monitoring, that not too much fat is gained on the process, you should be in a position to make some nice lean gains without any ped's. Then you can do a cut again if to you looks like it would be beneficial.
Part of my intentions for starting this log were to gain critical anecdotal knowledge on everything I could potentially take so I’m very happy everyone is chiming in.

It seems like I may have rushed things a bit tbh. While I had done enough research and was prepared to take ostarine, I don’t want to quickly jump into the next thing. It was very easy to fall for the narrative that “sarms are the safest most mild options”.

I have been doing a lot more research over the weekend and the consensus is very consistent that ostarine is simply not worth it from a benefit nor benefit to side effect perspective. Most everyone seemed very happy with their low dose 1-andro cycle as well.

I apologize to everyone here but I’ve learned a lot since starting this thread and want to take a step back to rescan the available options and decide on what’s truly best for me.

I’m still making strong old gains, about a 1lb of lean mass every 2-3 weeks, while on a deficit (had about 20 lbs more muscle back in the day so it’s coming back fast), so maybe I should just see how it goes on the road to 9% for the time being.

If I get to 10% and I continue to look too small/scrawny then that might be a more appropriate time to start something more potent.

I do plan on continuing the cut however as historically, I’ve always liked a nice lean base to put lean gains on. I suffer from chronic insomnia and dieting like this has always been very difficult for me. Getting bf to a % I’m happy with year round and slowly gaining muscle has always worked best for me since it keeps annual dieting to a fast two month window when I want to get shredded for summer.

Anyways, I apologize again to everyone here. Just want to make a thoughtful & informed decision before committing 100%.
 
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LGD 4033. Great on a cut, won't cause DHT conversion, relatively easy to recover from (on par with ostarine IME). I'd run that at 10mg for 8 weeks with dermacrine then SERM for 4 weeks for PCT.
I’ve read that lgd is one of the hardest on hair but then again the more anabolic something is the higher the risk of hair loss, I.e.- strong risk with any anabolics worth taking.
 
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I’ve read that lgd is one of the hardest on hair but then again the more anabolic something is the higher the risk of hair loss, I.e.- strong risk with any anabolics worth taking.
LGD is easy on hair. I'm prone to hair loss and a receding hairline. Been using 20mg LGD. No difference on hairline. It's not very androgenic at all.
 

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LGD is easy on hair. I'm prone to hair loss and a receding hairline. Been using 20mg LGD. No difference on hairline. It's not very androgenic at all.
That’s interesting. I know so much of these responses are specific to the person but it’s so hard to get info like this from Reddit/articles.

I’ll start looking into lgd more as well as 1-andro.
 
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Part of my intentions for starting this log were to gain critical anecdotal knowledge on everything I could potentially take so I’m very happy everyone is chiming in.

It seems like I may have rushed things a bit tbh. While I had done enough research and was prepared to take ostarine, I don’t want to quickly jump into the next thing. It was very easy to fall for the narrative that “sarms are the safest most mild options”.

I have been doing a lot more research over the weekend and the consensus is very consistent that ostarine is simply not worth it from a benefit nor benefit to side effect perspective. Most everyone seemed very happy with their low dose 1-andro cycle as well.

I apologize to everyone here but I’ve learned a lot since starting this thread and want to take a step back to rescan the available options and decide on what’s truly best for me.

I’m still making strong old gains, about a 1lb of lean mass every 2-3 weeks, while on a deficit (had about 20 lbs more muscle back in the day so it’s coming back fast), so maybe I should just see how it goes on the road to 9% for the time being.

If I get to 10% and I continue to look too small/scrawny then that might be a more appropriate time to start something more potent.

I do plan on continuing the cut however as historically, I’ve always liked a nice lean base to put lean gains on. I suffer from chronic insomnia and dieting like this has always been very difficult for me. Getting bf to a % I’m happy with year round and slowly gaining muscle has always worked best for me since it keeps annual dieting to a fast two month window when I want to get shredded for summer.

Anyways, I apologize again to everyone here. Just want to make a thoughtful & informed decision before committing 100%.
These are not light decisions and you should allways do all the research and thinking through you can. What ever the decisions lead you to do, you should be fully content with it and what ensues. So no apologies needed here ✌
 
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That’s interesting. I know so much of these responses are specific to the person but it’s so hard to get info like this from Reddit/articles.

I’ll start looking into lgd more as well as 1-andro.
Reddit: you'll get exaggerated and hypochondriac responses. There some good info found sometimes in reddit, but I find most of it bull.
 
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Part of my intentions for starting this log were to gain critical anecdotal knowledge on everything I could potentially take so I’m very happy everyone is chiming in.

It seems like I may have rushed things a bit tbh. While I had done enough research and was prepared to take ostarine, I don’t want to quickly jump into the next thing. It was very easy to fall for the narrative that “sarms are the safest most mild options”.

I have been doing a lot more research over the weekend and the consensus is very consistent that ostarine is simply not worth it from a benefit nor benefit to side effect perspective. Most everyone seemed very happy with their low dose 1-andro cycle as well.

I apologize to everyone here but I’ve learned a lot since starting this thread and want to take a step back to rescan the available options and decide on what’s truly best for me.

I’m still making strong old gains, about a 1lb of lean mass every 2-3 weeks, while on a deficit (had about 20 lbs more muscle back in the day so it’s coming back fast), so maybe I should just see how it goes on the road to 9% for the time being.

If I get to 10% and I continue to look too small/scrawny then that might be a more appropriate time to start something more potent.

I do plan on continuing the cut however as historically, I’ve always liked a nice lean base to put lean gains on. I suffer from chronic insomnia and dieting like this has always been very difficult for me. Getting bf to a % I’m happy with year round and slowly gaining muscle has always worked best for me since it keeps annual dieting to a fast two month window when I want to get shredded for summer.

Anyways, I apologize again to everyone here. Just want to make a thoughtful & informed decision before committing 100%.
if i had a dime for everytime i've told someone that they should have asked questions BEFORE they started.....check to make sure there is water in the pool before diving in head first.
 

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if i had a dime for everytime i've told someone that they should have asked questions BEFORE they started.....check to make sure there is water in the pool before diving in head first.
haha, I'm definitely that dude right now... Better than getting started and asking questions later.
 

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Do y’all think dermacrine is a solid enough base for the 1andro if I do a mild cycle at 200-330mg or is the 4andro really required?

What would be the lowest dosage you’d recommend for a super mild introductory 1 andro cycle as well?

Also, if I want to test running a serm (the enclo) throughout the whole cycle would this impact the dosage or even usage of my base? I suppose this would require blood tests every couple of weeks since it seems like a hit or miss when people run enclo/clomid throughout their cycle.
 
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Do y’all think dermacrine is a solid enough base for the 1andro if I do a mild cycle at 200-330mg or is the 4andro really required?

What would be the lowest dosage you’d recommend for a super mild introductory 1 andro cycle as well?

Also, if I want to test running a serm (the enclo) throughout the whole cycle would this impact the dosage or even usage of my base? I suppose this would require blood tests every couple of weeks since it seems like a hit or miss when people run enclo/clomid throughout their cycle.
Dermacrine was designed to work with 1 and 4. 4 is better for stronger cycles.
 

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Just posting an update for thoughts (if anyone is actually concerned lol):

After a lot more additional research, thinking through everyone’s suggestions, and getting the remaining answers to my questions above, I do think a 1-andro cycle at 8 weeks and 330mg is something I’d like to eventually move forward with.

I don’t plan on jumping into it immediately however. I feel like it would be a waste to spend my first anabolic cycle on a cut.

So the revised game plan is to indulge some of the more promising natty supplements that are backed by at least some promising third party research (obnoxious amounts of turkesterone, androgin, etc. Not expecting much but it can’t hurt), continue gw 0742, and maybe add in dermacrin to test while I finish this cut.

After I reach 9%, and the cut is complete, I’m going to spend 1-2 months at maintenance. This is to just assess how many more lbs of old muscle I can get that the cut may have prevented. I also have some mk677, and this seems like a good time to try therapeutic doses of it. Who knows? Maybe I’ll have decent enough size at that point (starting to feel really small now that I’m at 12.7% bf and can tell I’ll be tiny at 9%). At that point, I’ll just make a judgement call if it’s the right time to do the 1andro cycle.

Preparation for the cycle:
- The enclo is already in the mail, and I won’t start the cycle until it comes in. I have a lot, enough for 3-4 pcts.
- While I plan on just using dermacrine, I have already ordered 4 andro as well. Seems like lethargy is the major side effect for 1 andro so I just want to be prepared for whatever could happen. I’m not going to let hair loss fears stand in the way of a smooth cycle. I don’t want to be foolish and halfway commit to something as serious as this.
- I already have 2 redeemable blood tests from quest (which were expensive and I don’t want to go to waste). If I commit to the cycle, I’ll do one right before and the next about 6 weeks through the cycle to determine if my body is doing fine or not.
- Already have an ai on hand.

Didn’t mean to waste everyone’s time but do appreciate all of the excellent feedback. I’m feeling much more prepared for whichever route I choose. If anyone wants some free ostarine, I’ve got you.
 
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Thinking things out is a good move!!
 

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Natty progress coming along. 14% body fat baby, 9% within site

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Looking Good, Big & Lean !!
 

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After dieting for 4 months straight with only 1-2 cheat days and refeeds, I could definitely feel my hormones going nuts. I decided to take a 5 day break from training and ate at maintenance. Kind of hate doing this as I view it as taking a couple of steps back.

However, if I’ve learned anything over the years, it’s that this is a marathon, not a sprint.

Side note, is it too early to say I’ve hit 13%? That’s what the calipers and body fat scale say (pics with no pump on an off day). Back at it baby.
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Another side note, I feel like I should open up a new supplement log since I am taking a lot of natty supplements at the moment (like every popular one: exubol 200, anabolic effect, hmb free acid, tribulyze (they gave me a free bottle), androgin, etc).

What do y’all think?
 
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After dieting for 4 months straight with only 1-2 cheat days and refeeds, I could definitely feel my hormones going nuts. I decided to take a 5 day break from training and ate at maintenance. Kind of hate doing this as I view it as taking a couple of steps back.

However, if I’ve learned anything over the years, it’s that this is a marathon, not a sprint.

Side note, is it too early to say I’ve hit 13%? That’s what the calipers and body fat scale say (pics with no pump on an off day). Back at it baby.View attachment 203985
Nice work dude.

Which method are you using for skinfold calls? Also, impedence scales typically vary on the high side.
 

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