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Obamney 2012 - Barack Obama And Mitt Romney Are Essentially The Same Candidate

Geoforce said:
Hypocrisy is the hallmark of the Republican party. Gov't doesn't create jobs, but President Romney will. Gov't needs to get smaller....wait we gotta drastically increase defense spending.

The left is just plain loony and the right are absolute hypocrites. They don't mind big government when it's forcing people to do what they want (keep gays from getting married, bomb brown people, etc.)
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Agreed.
 
southpaw23 said:
And AGAIN...No. The low rates are independent of the decision making process when it comes to raising state level tuition, as evidenced by the upward trend over the past 5 years, where the interest rates were not fixed. The housing bubble is a separate example and issue all together. The two examples ONCE AGAIN have nothing in common, except for the word "loan." Examine the number of homeowners vs college graduates. The disparity in loans handed out for either example, aren't even remotely close. The only way to increase production, is to invest in education. Education leads to better jobs, skilled labor, better pay, ultimately leading to higher contributions in the way of taxes. It's funny Romney stated in the first 15 minutes of the debate that he's running to create 12 million jobs, fast forward 30 minutes later and he says that government does not create jobs. Wait...what? :/
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and again, you fail to recognize the reality that there is no reason why educational costs have gone up by a far greater percentage than anything else in the economy other than easy availablity of money. Easy availability of money makes people less cautious how they spend it. The housing bubble is entirely related as a significant fraction of our college graduates are graduating with more debt than they can afford to repay with the actual jobs they are able to get with their degree. Who said the # of loans are the same or the ecomonic impact would be the same? Not me. But that doesn't preclude their being a student loan bubble that will burst, with some significant amount of economic turmoil.

And you are 100% wrong on how to increase production. Education in THE APPROPRIATE AREAS leads to a cascade of jobs. If everyone in the US got a bachelor of arts degree in "Interdisciplinary Classical Civilizations" it would not do a damn thing for production. Similarly, there is a need for entry level jobs. In a chemical plant for every 1 chemical engineer there are a varying number of lab technicians who don't require degrees.

Separately, there was no increase in educational levels in the 1940s-1950s but amazingly we had some of the greatest growth in the country we've ever had.

But I know that since you are indoctrinated, you believe what you say, so its ok.
 
EasyEJL said:
and again, you fail to recognize the reality that there is no reason why educational costs have gone up by a far greater percentage than anything else in the economy other than easy availablity of money. Easy availability of money makes people less cautious how they spend it. The housing bubble is entirely related as a significant fraction of our college graduates are graduating with more debt than they can afford to repay with the actual jobs they are able to get with their degree. Who said the # of loans are the same or the ecomonic impact would be the same? Not me. But that doesn't preclude their being a student loan bubble that will burst, with some significant amount of economic turmoil.

And you are 100% wrong on how to increase production. Education in THE APPROPRIATE AREAS leads to a cascade of jobs. If everyone in the US got a bachelor of arts degree in "Interdisciplinary Classical Civilizations" it would not do a damn thing for production. Similarly, there is a need for entry level jobs. In a chemical plant for every 1 chemical engineer there are a varying number of lab technicians who don't require degrees.

Separately, there was no increase in educational levels in the 1940s-1950s but amazingly we had some of the greatest growth in the country we've ever had.

But I know that since you are indoctrinated, you believe what you say, so its ok.
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No, that is just EASY's reasoning, in the face of examining studies that show quite the opposite. That state level institutions have been steadily increasing tuition costs by 3-5% over the last five years, despite interest rates being raised or lowered, independent of either of those factors.Those are the facts. And I agreed with you, if you bothered to read my earlier posts, that degrees in specialized areas like finance, accounting, law, engineering leads to job growth and higher pay, without skilled labor those lab technicians would be bagging groceries. See how that domino effect works? It has NOTHING to do with your examples of growth in the 1940s-1950s, since we operate in a COMPLETELY different economic environment. Kinda like we have few battleships today than we did 30 years ago. Apples to oranges.
 
EasyEJL said:
and again, you fail to recognize the reality that there is no reason why educational costs have gone up by a far greater percentage than anything else in the economy other than easy availablity of money. Easy availability of money makes people less cautious how they spend it. The housing bubble is entirely related as a significant fraction of our college graduates are graduating with more debt than they can afford to repay with the actual jobs they are able to get with their degree. Who said the # of loans are the same or the ecomonic impact would be the same? Not me. But that doesn't preclude their being a student loan bubble that will burst, with some significant amount of economic turmoil.

And you are 100% wrong on how to increase production. Education in THE APPROPRIATE AREAS leads to a cascade of jobs. If everyone in the US got a bachelor of arts degree in "Interdisciplinary Classical Civilizations" it would not do a damn thing for production. Similarly, there is a need for entry level jobs. In a chemical plant for every 1 chemical engineer there are a varying number of lab technicians who don't require degrees.

Separately, there was no increase in educational levels in the 1940s-1950s but amazingly we had some of the greatest growth in the country we've ever had.

But I know that since you are indoctrinated, you believe what you say, so its ok.
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And since you've married yourself and your ideology to a document written in the late 1700's, applying it to every thought process, even though it's 2012, we can see which one of us is among the indoctrinated and/or considered inflexible.
 
EasyEJL said:
sure, death threats are unimportant unless its someone who matters to you
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I said it was wrong. But, seriously, we should probably investigate Instagram. God only knows what's happening over there. A lot of death threats but in sepia tones.
 
southpaw23 said:
And since you've married yourself and your ideology to a document written in the late 1700's, applying it to every thought process, even though it's 2012, we can see which one of us is among the indoctrinated and/or considered inflexible.
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yes, i'd assume your type would think that contracts are just there for convenience sake, good to protect you right up until you don't like it. Then once it gets in your way, you scrap it, or weaken it.
 
southpaw23 said:
I said it was wrong. But, seriously, we should probably investigate Instagram. God only knows what's happening over there. A lot of death threats but in sepia tones.
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normal lame liberal trick, attempt to throw in red herrings with sarcasm to act as if real people putting up intentions to murder isn't important to look at. Bravo. I can see the deep respect for life your party has.
 
EasyEJL said:
sure, death threats are unimportant unless its someone who matters to you
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While I'm not advocating the death threats this happens big time to both sides. I sorta agree with southpaw on it not being a new or novel thing. Plenty of idiots spouting off about killing Obama or Romney, hopefully it's just people being idiots, but hardly a new phenomena for people running for president.

Hell I've probably heard we outta kill that n-word President 50 times in the last 4 years near my earshot.
 
EasyEJL said:
yes, i'd assume your type would think that contracts are just there for convenience sake, good to protect you right up until you don't like it. Then once it gets in your way, you scrap it, or weaken it.
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Lol you really think that "contract" is somehow infallible, or that it applies in every aspect to the world we live in today? Late 1700's vs 2012? And I'm the indoctrinated one? Lol.
 
EasyEJL said:
normal lame liberal trick, attempt to throw in red herrings with sarcasm to act as if real people putting up intentions to murder isn't important to look at. Bravo. I can see the deep respect for life your party has.
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Typical conservative emoting. Attempt to tell people if we only go back to the policies of the 1950's, things would improve. The only thing missing in that statement is logic.
 
southpaw23 said:
Typical conservative emoting. Attempt to tell people if we only go back to the policies of the 1950's, things would improve. The only thing missing in that statement is logic.
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What was it you said only a few posts ago about....
 
he was right about Obamas mentors. about the top planning occupy wallstreet. about frances fox piven, van Jones, George soros, Valerie jarret...

about Marxists coordinating with Islamists...about Islamists taking over in place of "fallen" regimes...
 
carpee said:
he was right about Obamas mentors. about the top planning occupy wallstreet. about frances fox piven, van Jones, George soros, Valerie jarret...

about Marxists coordinating with Islamists...about Islamists taking over in place of "fallen" regimes...
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Tin-foils of a feather, flock...eh you get it.
 
Geoforce said:
While I'm not advocating the death threats this happens big time to both sides. I sorta agree with southpaw on it not being a new or novel thing. Plenty of idiots spouting off about killing Obama or Romney, hopefully it's just people being idiots, but hardly a new phenomena for people running for president.

Hell I've probably heard we outta kill that n-word President 50 times in the last 4 years near my earshot.
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Trust me, he could care less about that bold part. Same guy who thought Zimmerman was a hero.
 
gregg1494 said:
Government social program needs to get smaller. Not military... I don't think he was referring the military as that part of "government". The reason the US is the most power country in the world is not because of our economy, but because of our military
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Why does our military need to continue to grow? We are already the world's biggest superpower by far. Even if we cut the military spending that would be the case for the very forseeable future. I don't think we need big government social programs anymore than we need an even more bloated military but personally if we're going to spend money I'd rather it was on our people than more war. All that "power" gets us is the need to stick our nose where it doesn't belong and play world police.
 
gregg1494 said:
Do you where our our military cuts come from, Soldiers pay, and soldier benefits. There is no such thing as a tank car dealer. and for those men and women already get nothing for what they do. And our military needs to stay up to date, which means research developing new things. New equipment, **** breaks and gets old. Its ok though, obama cut the military, and gave everyone an obamaphone!! And its not like we just go to war to go to war. "Some" people like to fly planes into buildings and kill Americans. And those people must be eliminated.
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We spend more than the next 10 biggest defense budgets. Our spending accounts for 37% of all the military spending IN THE WORLD> Exactly what level of spending more do you think we should be at? How many more trillions is the right amount? And the military hasn't shrunk one bit under Obama. It's just as bloated and active as ever. Please cite where the cuts have taken place, not where they are "rumored" to take place. If you're talking about the proposed cuts coming up you're talking about something Republicans voted for. So big government spending is good when it's on war but bad when it's on people at home?

Social programs bad, death machines good. Just trying to make sure we're on the same page. Why do we have to cut soldier pay first? Couldn't we start with the obnoxious waste on something like this:

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gregg1494 said:
Do you where our our military cuts come from, Soldiers pay, and soldier benefits. There is no such thing as a tank car dealer. and for those men and women already get nothing for what they do. And our military needs to stay up to date, which means research developing new things. New equipment, **** breaks and gets old. Its ok though, obama cut the military, and gave everyone an obamaphone!! And its not like we just go to war to go to war. "Some" people like to fly planes into buildings and kill Americans. And those people must be eliminated.
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As long as there are black budgets we have no idea if Obama cut the military. With all his bullying around with Iran and threatening to use any means to pre-emptively use force to stop Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon that can "officially" change at any second, with Obama or Romney.
 
gregg1494 said:
"Some" people like to fly planes into buildings and kill Americans. And those people must be eliminated.
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Has it ever occurred that some of this spending and nation building might be WHY people fly planes into buildings?
 
Geoforce said:
Social programs bad, death machines good. Just trying to make sure we're on the same page. Why do we have to cut soldier pay first? Couldn't we start with the obnoxious waste on something like this:
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Pisses me off to see the Pentagon support the expansion of "private contractor" use so they can get away from following the Constitution. What pisses me off more is that these "private contractors" get paid far more than our soldiers who I feel most are in it because they feel they are doing something good for our country.
 
gregg1494 said:
Social programs make people lazy, there is a difference from social safety nets to social programs.... and i like to refer to them as defense machines. But fuk with the US and you will be seeing the death side.
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Well I'd prefer to see people lazy than dead. And you're right plenty of woman and chlidren who never did anything wrong in foreign countries see our death side. Wrong place wrong time for them. But how much spending is enough? If our military needs to get bigger when would it be big enough for your liking? 50% of our economy? 75%? 100?
 
gregg1494 said:
Its common sense bro, who have been attacking the US? not Germans... if spending and nation building was the problem we would not be getting attacked from a single group.
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Maybe some crazy people within the US attacked the US? Still scratching my head along with a couple thousand architects and engineers on how WTC 7 went down at free fall speed.

Nevermind...getting off topic here, lol
 
Geoforce said:
Why does our military need to continue to grow? We are already the world's biggest superpower by far. Even if we cut the military spending that would be the case for the very forseeable future. I don't think we need big government social programs anymore than we need an even more bloated military but personally if we're going to spend money I'd rather it was on our people than more war. All that "power" gets us is the need to stick our nose where it doesn't belong and play world police.
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If you ever served you would know how little we get paid and how poor our equipment really is, this coming from someone in the conventional unit with the MOST funding.

gregg1494 said:
Do you where our our military cuts come from, Soldiers pay, and soldier benefits. There is no such thing as a tank car dealer. and for those men and women already get nothing for what they do. And our military needs to stay up to date, which means research developing new things. New equipment, **** breaks and gets old. Its ok though, obama cut the military, and gave everyone an obamaphone!! And its not like we just go to war to go to war. "Some" people like to fly planes into buildings and kill Americans. And those people must be eliminated.
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Strong this. When funding gets cut we get less training and are less combat effective when the need arises, can't fix our equipment, and our benefits get cut. I barely make $2.00 an hour and some of you think they should cut that more?

Geoforce said:
We spend more than the next 10 biggest defense budgets. Our spending accounts for 37% of all the military spending IN THE WORLD> Exactly what level of spending more do you think we should be at? How many more trillions is the right amount? And the military hasn't shrunk one bit under Obama. It's just as bloated and active as ever. Please cite where the cuts have taken place, not where they are "rumored" to take place. If you're talking about the proposed cuts coming up you're talking about something Republicans voted for. So big government spending is good when it's on war but bad when it's on people at home?

Social programs bad, death machines good. Just trying to make sure we're on the same page. Why do we have to cut soldier pay first? Couldn't we start with the obnoxious waste on something like this:

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Our military is cutting soldiers left and right to meet the amount the government wants gone. People are getting kicked out for anything and everything and a lot of them are very good soldiers who do their job very well. And, unlike you, I've seen it first hand.
 
Man, I admit that I have my assertions against Obama and I don't care for Romney either, but hopefully those people are taught a lesson.
 
Force of Green said:
Man, I admit that I have my assertions against Obama and I don't care for Romney either, but hopefully those people are taught a lesson.
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Well...I just hope its not too late, and that if Romney wins tonight that those riots dont happen. We dont need this crap in this country.
 
ax1 said:
Pisses me off to see the Pentagon support the expansion of "private contractor" use so they can get away from following the Constitution. What pisses me off more is that these "private contractors" get paid far more than our soldiers who I feel most are in it because they feel they are doing something good for our country.
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Mercenaries?
 
Force of Green said:
Mercenaries?
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Yes, such as blackwater. Obama can call the troops home, and leave the mercenaries to take care of the dirty work and he can make some fraudulent speech on TV that the war is over for political gain.
 
ax1 said:
Well...I just hope its not too late, and that if Romney wins tonight that those riots dont happen. We dont need this crap in this country.
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Me too, brother. I'm not making any predictions, but widespread civil unrest could give Barack just the excuse he needs to pull a fast one and/or truly put our country's national security at risk.
 
ax1 said:
Yes, such as blackwater. Obama can call the troops home, and leave the mercenaries to take care of the dirty work and he can make some fraudulent speech on TV that the war is over for political gain.
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Barack has run out of steam and a lot more people are more 'aware' and onto his tricks and traps, but I'm sure he's got a few more up his sleeve.
 
Force of Green said:
Barack has run out of steam and a lot more people are more 'aware' and onto his tricks and traps, but I'm sure he's got a few more up his sleeve.
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A portion of Obama supporters seriously remind me of the Hitler Youth. And any Obama supporter reading this I dont necessarily mean you :)
 
ax1 said:
A portion of Obama supporters seriously remind me of the Hitler Youth. And any Obama supporter reading this I dont necessarily mean you :)
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There are enough ignorant people who don't know what day of the week it is, let alone what the 1st ammendment is and they will rise up and riot just for the sake of enjoyment and utter stupidity in 'support' for Obama and that is EXACTLY what he wants.
 
gregg1494 said:
This. I just watched a show on Hitler and so many things about Hitler and Obama are the same, mostly there shady pasts. And how their followers are all uneducated, and ignorant. If he wins. Get your guns ready, ****s gonna hit the fan.
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Agreed 100%.

And on the 2nd ammendment note, I don't think anyone with half a brain would try to break in here. I'll have to replace half the wall if a 20 gauge gets fired.
 
ax1 said:
A portion of Obama supporters seriously remind me of the Hitler Youth. And any Obama supporter reading this I dont necessarily mean you :)
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How high are you when you type? I hope this really isn't you SOBER. Lol. You sound wackier than a voice mail message from Mel Gibson.
 
southpaw23 said:
How high are you when you type? I hope this really isn't you SOBER. Lol. You sound wackier than a voice mail message from Mel Gibson.
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I dont drink or smoke actually, lol

Obama has repeatedly called out for a Civilian Military that is just as powerful and just as well funded as our real military.

It has even been added to Obamacare, you should seriously start looking into these activities and the people involved.

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SEC. 5210. ESTABLISHING A READY RESERVE CORPS.
Section 203 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 204) is amended to read as follows:
SEC. 203. COMMISSIONED CORPS AND READY RESERVE CORPS.
(a) ESTABLISHMENT–
(1) IN GENERAL.–here shall be in the Service a commissioned Regular Corps and a Ready Reserve Corps for service in time of national emergency.
(2) REQUIREMENT.–All commissioned officers shall be citizens of the United States and shall be appointed without regard to the civil-service laws and compensated without regard to the Classification Act 2 of 1923, as amended.
(3) APPOINTMENT.– Commissioned officers of the Ready Reserve Corps shall be appointed by the President and commissioned officers of the Regular Corps shall be appointed by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate.
(4) ACTIVE DUTY.–Commissioned officers of the Ready Reserve Corps shall at all times be subject to call to active duty by the Surgeon General, including active duty for the purpose of training.
(5) WARRANT OFFICERS.–Warrant officers may be appointed to the Service for the purpose of providing support to the health and delivery systems maintained by the Service and any warrant officer appointed to the Service shall be considered for purposes of this Act and title 37, United States Code, to be a commissioned officer within the Commissioned Corps of the Service.
(b) ASSIMILATING RESERVE CORP OFFICERS INTO THE REGULAR CORPS.—Effective on the date of enactment of the Affordable Health Choices Act, all individuals classified as officers in the Reserve Corps under this section (as such section existed on the day before the date of enactment of such Act) and serving on active duty shall be deemed to be commissioned officers of the Regular Corps.
[Note here that those personally appointed by BO -- without advice and consent of the Senate -- automatically become a part of the Regular Corps. Ed.]
(c) PURPOSE AND USE OF READY RESERVE.–
(1) PURPOSE.–The purpose of the Ready Reserve Corps is to fulfill the need to have additional Commissioned Corps personnel available on short notice (similar to the uniformed service’s reserve program) to assist regular Commissioned Corps personnel to meet both routine public health and emergency response missions.
(2) USES.–The Ready Reserve Corps shall–
(A) participate in routine training to meet the general and specific needs of the Commissioned Corps;
(B) be available and ready for involuntary calls to active duty during national emergencies and public health crises, similar to the uniformed service reserve personnel;
(C) be available for backfilling critical positions left vacant during deployment of active duty Commissioned Corps members, as well as for deployment to respond to public health emergencies, both foreign and domestic; and
(D) be available for service assignment in isolated, hardship, and medically underserved communities (as defined in section 399SS) to improve access to health services.
(d) FUNDING.—For the purpose of carrying out the duties and responsibilities of the Commissioned Corps under this section, there are authorized to be appropriated such sums as may be necessary to the Office of the Surgeon General for each of fiscal years 2010 through 2014. Funds appropriated under this subsection shall be used for recruitment and training of Commissioned Corps Officers.
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gregg1494 said:
If only america wasn't full of idiots...
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The people that are threatening Mitt Romney aren't even registered voters. These people are saying things like:
“Food stamps are such a beautiful thing. Romney better hope he lose tomorrow , I **** my gun on his ass he take MY food stamps away lol” – @_MaliksWright
“I seen a suburban that had Romney 2012 , wrote in the windows .. only if i had a gun at the time -_____-“ – @datDAMN_TB
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The people who prepare and stay calm, yet alert and aware are the ones that will survive. The system is literally collapsing on itself and we're witness to it and some people are still in denial.

Some can call us whackos, looney tunes, etc. but say what you will. The ones that are aware will be the ones that will be helping the ones that remained asleep, should there be enough to go around. I'm not making sensationalist claims, because I'm off my meds LOL. I continue to try and tell people not to underestimate this matter. **** is already hitting the fan.
 
There is a rumor going around (possible) that these threats are a false flag. Fake accounts that have been setup with government software to create panic and widespread fear propaganda to create a large enough national security threat to ignite the rioting and intice real individuals to start making threats and jumping in on the bandwagon. Either way, this is a powder keg and another false flag is just the match it needs to set the explosion.
 
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