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Its easy to check every one of them.
Obamney 2012 - Barack Obama And Mitt Romney Are Essentially The Same Candidate
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Its easy to check every one of them.
southpaw23
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I don't twitter with Justin Bieber and his friends, so I don't know. I'm more concerned with the electronic voting machines in PA, one of which records the opposite candidate when you make a selection. That machine is NOW being taken out of service. I'm concerned with Ohio and Florida, not a twitter account.
southpaw23
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Voter fraud is negligible. Don't believe the hype.
ax1
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Problem with some of these voting machines (and not all of them, and in many states the ones Im referring to are banned), is that they use a patented propriety algorithm to count up the votes. Basically its top secret, and a US court confirmed so. The people will never have any way of checking them. The other issues is there are politicians who have financial stakes in companies that produce these machines.
southpaw23
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ax1
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Then the "leftists" say this is racism.
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EasyEJL
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its been reported by a variety of news sources. Of course, not MoveOn or TheDailyKos
ax1
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We do need to be careful (including myself) not to judge any particular group and assume everyone is like that as a whole. For example, I know some liberals who are absolutely nothing like the ones that I see on TV and totally are in disgust with Obama.
southpaw23
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You care more about twitter accounts than a voting machine that selects the opposite candidate? Lol. Awesome. And I don't read moveon or the DailyKos. Try and find a new one to pull from the playbook.
southpaw23
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I don't know, a lot of my friends who are "left" leaning are ALL University educated, including myself. Many with M.B.A's and advanced degrees in their fields. Then I have friends on the right, ALL of whom are blue collar workers with a high school level education, or took a semester or two at a community college. But you're right, left leaning individuals are not that intelligent.
EasyEJL
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Gee, threats of assasination against Obama get handled rapidly and thoroughly, threats of assasination against Romney get treated as a joke. Awesome.
southpaw23
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You got those statistics from Alex Jones?
EasyEJL
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I don't know, a lot of my friends who are "left" leaning are ALL University educated, including myself. Many with M.B.A's and advanced degrees in their fields. Then I have friends on the right, ALL of whom are blue collar workers with a high school level education, or took a semester or two at a community college. But you're right, left leaning individuals are not that intelligent.
Having a liberal system tap you on the head and say "you are one of us" like the education system does is not at all indicative of intelligence. Its indicative of indoctrination into a system.
The left has a huge majority of less than high school education btw.
ax1
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The Department of Homeland Security, FBI as well as local law enforcements all track social media and take them very seriously...at least most of the time.
More people are brutally honest on the internet that they realize. Crimes have been prevented and solved using social media.
Anyways when there is a trend of rioting, assasination/murder and burning cities down on social media this is something we should all have concern for. Personally I do not like seeing this, and neither Romney or Obama should be physically threatened as much as I dont like them.
southpaw23
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Lol. Now education is considered liberal? I'll take it. Gaining admittance into top educational institutions, when the litmus standards are high, is an exact indicator of intelligence. Not the other way around.
EasyEJL
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No, it isn't. As is evidenced by your own party claiming "George Bush was an idiot" even though he had higher SAT scores than most of you, and graduated from Yale. The degree itself is no indicator of intelligence, just indication of being part of the system.
ax1
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It actually means your good at taking tests in regards to the material you study for the courses you take. There is nothing wrong with that, but intelligence can measured in many different ways. Being a scientist means your good in taking courses in science and passing the examinations, it doesnt necessarily mean your intelligent.
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southpaw23 said:
Degrees are in now way a measuring stick for intelligence. They show good work ethic and an EDUCATION but neither of these are Intelligence. Also, the point he is making is that many professors instill liberal ideals in their students which leads to people spouting opinions that they did not necessarily form on their own.
southpaw23
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I spoke to you a long time ago, where you claimed his SAT scores were higher than Al Gores, when I posted the actual facts, you never responded. It's quite easy to get into top institutions when you have the support of a powerful political family machine at play, when your father attended the same school. And he was an idiot by any measure. He was far from a broad thinker, he simply emoted.
ax1
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They do voice out, but they seem to be in the minority these days. Then there is the big issue of censored corporate controlled media, so most Americans dont get to hear their voice. They are cornered to alternative media, but that is also slowly being bought out by the higher top so the system of propaganda is coming to fruition and it molds and conditions many American's chain of thought. They have successfully conditioned people to think in false left/right liberal/conservative paradigms and left the idea that there is no other option except being extreme of either one or in the middle.
EasyEJL
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And i'd suggest that you and all your liberal friends are even bigger idiots. You obviously are one if you can state that a degree is a measure of intelligence, but Bush having one is meaningless. There is this little thing called logic, but of course liberals are unable to comprehend that, due to their stupidity.
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So who is keeping up with the atrocities going on in Philly now? The ejected seats, the Obama mural in a voting station completely against law, another showing of the Black Panthers for intimidation.
And I am sorry but written threats on social media is paramount to mailing one into the white house themselves in the information age. Different avenue, same message. Call me petty, but I do care about that against any of our elected officials, regardless of my opinions on the person or affiliation.
And I am sorry but written threats on social media is paramount to mailing one into the white house themselves in the information age. Different avenue, same message. Call me petty, but I do care about that against any of our elected officials, regardless of my opinions on the person or affiliation.
southpaw23
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Well, I really really hated Bush all those years. I do have to say that what you see on TV is not a measure of intelligence, especially when it comes to politics. Politics is a political puppet show. People normally judge on acting skills and looks when it comes to debates for example and base their vote off of that, its really sad.
southpaw23
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Of course you would. Lol. There's a little thing called "context." I've read your various posts and expo-says, that's the one thing that is usually in short supply.
ax1
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Yes, of course. Im not against people going to college and learning a particular skill set and knowledge to get a job and better themselves and make a better pay. Its a good thing.
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I saw this too. I am amazed that people can get away with this, but I guess as long as its BO its ok.
southpaw23
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It's not okay, simple as that.
jimbuick
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southpaw23 said:
It doesn't mean that at all and I am really enjoying the "holier than thou" routine. I have a lot of friends with degrees that can barely get minimum wage without experience. A degree doesn't necessarily mean a better job or a better life, the moat important part of success is the will to succeed.
Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, etc.
southpaw23
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How old are your friends? Everyone starts out with a base level salary, depending on whatever industry they are in, after a few years, that all changes. We all started out making anywhere between 40k to 60k, after 5 years, the landscape looks much different.
ax1
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It gets a little complicated too when all the sudden everybody gets an education. How does everybody with an education get a job? I saw this happen in China...there are so many college graduates a large portion of them end up being waiters or something along those lines. Jobs have so many options to choose who can work for them, they end up picking only the best of the class.
I went to college, it has nothing to do with my career and I honestly regret going (in some ways.)
Education is as simple as being motivated, going to the public library, picking up a book and reading.
jimbuick
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southpaw23 said:
Many of them are waitresses or working at McDonalds for about what I make. (Enlisted U.S. Army) While my mother, a college dropout, has been pulling in 100k a year my whole life. Like I said before, a degree does not automatically equal success it's all about working hard and making the conscious effort to be successful.
southpaw23
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Nothing at all, in fact there is honor in that. But that is where it begins and ends for me. I'm not going to listen to the cable repair guy try and explain to me why he thinks the economy is bad, and when you ask him to explain his candidate's plan, you get..."ugh, huh, ugh, ah, communist, socialist, ugh, ah, eh, I don't the know, but I know the other is guy is bad." That's hardly a thought process.
ax1
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But if that cable guy supported the same guy you like (well I think you like, lol) you have an established connection and its all good and dandy and you can knock those "ugh, huh, ugh, conservatives, gun grabbing cowboy tobacoo chewing reds" right?
ax1
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That would mean the Obamacare bill would collapse.
southpaw23
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Which is why when you're researching the positions of various candidates, you look at their positions on things like extension of Pell Grants, or conversely those who want to cut funding for Pell Grants, which is a lifeline for kids whose parents can't afford to pay for them, even though one candidate in this election told a college student to ask her parents for money if she couldn't afford to go. Those who favor lowering the interest rates on student loans, so you can pay them off faster upon graduation. Those are things you need to examine. Not the guy who screams tin-foil nonsense, calling someone a socialist, communist, etc, simply because they are incapable of articulating any other position.
southpaw23
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southpaw23
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Okay.
ax1
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I dont think Southpaw meant that. He meant that often a label gets slapped on someone without having much acknowledgment to the policies taking place and other specific issues. Its just classic politics throwing labeling at your opposition which it becomes like the "n" word for the particular party using it.
southpaw23
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ax1
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Forgive him...South is a leftist, marxist, communist and I cant explain why.
southpaw23
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EasyEJL
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if the interest rates are lower and loans are easy to get, it encourages schools to charge more, and students borrow more. If I am selling a new BMW and it will be payments of $500 a month, almost nobody in the population pays attention to whether the selling price is $35k or 40k, its just the payment.
On top of that, we now graduate 2x as many liberal arts bachelors as we did in the 80s, and slightlty LESS engineering related bachelors than we did in the 80s. Why should the government subsidize the cost of someone getting a masters degree in "Supernatural literature of the 18th century" who is only in the masters program to continue to defer loans since they couldn't get a job with their bachelors in literature? Why should the tax payers subsidize the poor choices of others? If you said tie the student loan rates to the degree program, and had lower rates for degree programs of professions we need more of, at least that could make sense.
southpaw23
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Except the actual facts have little in common with the example provided. State colleges have been raising tuition by 3-5% over the past 5 years. Schools aren't being encouraged to raise tuition, they are doing that in spite of interest rates. I agree wholeheartedly with the second paragraph. I had two options offered to me, finance and law. I chose finance. Lib arts should be considered the very last option. The reason it's chosen, primarily, is because the coursework isn't considered academically rigorous.
EasyEJL
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the low rates make it easier. What have wages been like over the past 5 years? Inflation? school prices are still increasing faster than either because they can, because there is too much government subsidization and meddling in loans. The housing bubble was caused by too many easy to get loans on houses that people couldn't afford. We're going to see a student loan bubble as we're graduating too many students with no societally useful skill to earn enough money to repay the loan. Except this time, the loans are directly written from the US government, not by a bank.
southpaw23
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And AGAIN...No. The low rates are independent of the decision making process when it comes to raising state level tuition, as evidenced by the upward trend over the past 5 years, where the interest rates were not fixed. The housing bubble is a separate example and issue all together. The two examples ONCE AGAIN have nothing in common, except for the word "loan." Examine the number of homeowners vs college graduates. The disparity in loans handed out for either example, aren't even remotely close. The only way to increase production, is to invest in education. Education leads to better jobs, skilled labor, better pay, ultimately leading to higher contributions in the way of taxes. It's funny Romney stated in the first 15 minutes of the debate that he's running to create 12 million jobs, fast forward 30 minutes later and he says that government does not create jobs. Wait...what? :/
Geoforce
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Hypocrisy is the hallmark of the Republican party. Gov't doesn't create jobs, but President Romney will. Gov't needs to get smaller....wait we gotta drastically increase defense spending.
The left is just plain loony and the right are absolute hypocrites. They don't mind big government when it's forcing people to do what they want (keep gays from getting married, bomb brown people, etc.)