dallasboy22
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Clemenza said:
I concur.
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I concur.
youngandfree
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Obama didn't just continue the bad policies from Bush, he tripled down on every one and then added plenty more of his own. The stimulus, Obamacare, are the two biggest that he started. There are plenty more that Obama is responsible for that had he not been in office, I feel the country would have turned the corner much sooner.
EasyEJL
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necessary? no. let the free market be a free market.
southpaw23
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Lol. I defer to you in that vein, after all your "youtube" videos and blogs are things REAL NEWS are made of.
ax1
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What real news? Some etiquette, well suited college educated teleprompter reading anchor man you listed to every night?
southpaw23
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ax1
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So everybody who posts a youtube video is using Microsoft Movie Maker and doing it out of a basement?
You cant be serious bro.
southpaw23
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ax1
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This is the "Real News" you listed to....independent journalists and citizens trying to do their constitutional patriotic duties are all wrong about everything because they hide in a basement with a netbook and perhaps some video editing software.
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ax1
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Why not? Thats there for you to interpret any way you wish, its not up to me for you to decide what the world leaders are stating, putting into law, and putting down on paper what they are planning.
Am I serious if I told you the Military can legally make you indefinitely put you for forced labor? Why isnt your "Real News" sources covering this I do watch what you watch to you know.
southpaw23
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Lol. Like I said, BELIEVE WHAT YOU WILL. I swear to god, you think the world operates according to a George Lucas script. Obama is Palpatine and he's amassing a clone army. Ron Paul will be sent to redeem Obama, who Obama later finds out is his father. But wait! There's more...there's a sister. It's Sara Palin, only she can't fully control the force, because she still has to find out what the definition of "force" is, but by then it may be too late, as the republic will sink further into a dictatorship. John Boehner is actually Count Dooku...
ax1
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Try addressing the issues specifically for a change instead of resorting to trying to create an illusion in your mind of my psychological make up. Simply resorting to personal character attacks is a way for you to not engage in the issues which makes me wonder why you ever come into these threads, which also explains why in the past you have admittingly tried to boycott yourself from doing so.
Do you read anything? I dont think so...you just think the link below was made in a basement by some fat slob munching on popcorn using microsoft word editor.
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southpaw23
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It's not a character attack. It's more of an observation. I boycott these threads, because this board tends to be 99.9% conservative, some offering valid points, while others just "emote." I'm not avoiding the opportunity to dispel your arguments, videos, blogs etc. I'm simply disinterested.
ax1
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Wow.. "I'm not avoiding the opportunity to dispel your arguments, videos, blogs etc. I'm simply disinterested."
Well thats tells me and everybody else on the board alot right there when it comes to you trying to present your opinion on the topics.
And by the way I am not a conservative.
southpaw23
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ax1
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I am not a libertarian, dont ever call me that.
southpaw23
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ax1
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Lol.
Im open to all chains of thought. Libertarian, Socialist, Liberalism, Conservatism...Left, Right, Middle (whatever the hell that means, lol) Marxist, Christians, Jews, Atheists, Raelians, etc..whatever.
I dont believe in labeling myself because I really dont fit in any particular chain of thought, and I feel that creates blind bias (not saying I dont have any, Im only human).
I think they can all have good points of view and good intentions. They also can have bad views and intentions, it really depends on who you talk to. Sometimes good intentions are more prone to be taken advantage of by those with bad intentions so we all have to be careful. Personalities should be based on getting to know someone, not by marking themselves with a particular philosophical doctrine.
When it comes down to getting sources of information their particular political philosophies and affiliations is all irrelevant to me. I even strive to listen to sources I dont trust because even if inaccurate or misleading its still information that you can extract something potentially useful later on. After all you want to know what your enemies are saying.
When it comes down to political parties, they should all be boycotted, both democrats, republicans, libertarians, green party, communist....What people do on their free time is none of my business but when it comes to running elections it all becomes blind faith voting and all political parties get corrupted by money and corporations.
EasyEJL
Never enough
so tell me this, are the videos and news coming from the official sources in Syria the real news, or are the youtube videos and tweets the real news?
southpaw23
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You're comparing a government ran news system based largely on propaganda in Syria (I have friends from there) to the news system here in the US?
EasyEJL
Never enough
Not directly. But your statement that what is displayed here in the US as news by major corporations whose goal is increasing profits (not giving actual or true news) is by default more accurate than individuals giving information, and is the only trustworthy source of information seems kind of silly given the real world examples of where what is considered official news isn't as reliable as the unofficial news. Do you trust Chris Matthews to tell the truth or to do what supports his own initiatives and/or adds more viewers? Or Bill O'Reilly or name the US "journalist" of your choice. I can't think of any who isn't operating under either the "make a profit" motive or "create controversy to get more viewers" motive.
sure plenty of the youtube video people are nuts, but what is pushed via news organizations here is not particularly better. Infotainment, not journalism.
southpaw23
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MSNBC is the flipside of Fox, both are cut from the same cloth, albeit Chris Matthews is educated and has been involved in politics his entire career, whereas Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity lack formal education and fundamental political experience, in that vein I'd be willing to accept explanations from Chris Matthews on any given political issue, over the latter as his of the informed variety, whereas the others just prefer to emote. O'Reilly, tends to go overboard at times, more so for ratings, but he's an intelligent guy. I tend to watch CNN and the BBC. The Syrian ran news reporting agency is based entirely on propaganda, this is I know firsthand as I've explained that I have friends who are from there/lived there. The comparison between the major reporting agencies in the US and Syria are night and day. I fully agree with your last statement.
ax1
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If you like the current bills being passed more power to you.
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I think you missed my point. A lot of what is going on now has happened in the past, and yet we are still here. Lincoln wiped his a$$ with the constitution, and people love him. He held US citizens in prisons without being advised of the charges against them.
Do I think a lot of things are an overreaction? absolutely, but do I think it is some great conspiracy that a select few are going to take over? NO
But what do I know ax, I am just a globalist
ax1
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I think you missed my point. A lot of what is going on now has happened in the past, and yet we are still here. Lincoln wiped his a$$ with the constitution, and people love him. He held US citizens in prisons without being advised of the charges against them.
Do I think a lot of things are an overreaction? absolutely, but do I think it is some great conspiracy that a select few are going to take over? NO
But what do I know ax, I am just a globalist
I see. I dont support Lincoln, I really dont like him so thats not the best example to use for me. Just because people loved him doesnt mean I do. We are still here, but look how many died and suffered in the process.
Yeah, Its really crazy to think a group of rich and powerful from political, banking, royalty and corporate families have interest in consolidating world power.
EasyEJL
Never enough
I think you missed my point. A lot of what is going on now has happened in the past, and yet we are still here. Lincoln wiped his a$$ with the constitution, and people love him. He held US citizens in prisons without being advised of the charges against them.
Do I think a lot of things are an overreaction? absolutely, but do I think it is some great conspiracy that a select few are going to take over? NO
But what do I know ax, I am just a globalist
its funny, and one of the parts that keeps me from being particularly sure of what is happening. every generation has that same set of cries of liberties lost and yet overall standard of living continues to rise each generation too. Not sure exactly how any of the removal of liberties really can get unwound other than by a civil war, which really seems unlikely.
ax1
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Its our responsibility to make sure we make the most out of life so we can take advantage of the increased standard of living. Its unfortunate its impossible for some people around the globe, but I gotta tell ya, I love life. Those who are fortunate enough have to make sure they dont get overly distracted and thrive for information as well as and more importantly being actively involved to make sure things get better and not the other way around. We certainly cant know everything for sure and to what extent but we can get good ideas to whats happening.
Thats the only thing we can do, civil war? Im not fighting. I dont believe in violent solutions to our problems, just doing the best you can in the system even if you disagree with it and try to make a positive contribution to it.
Geoforce
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See this is where I get back to the two parties being the same. McCain (or Romney) in the corner that Obama was in with the economy tanking the way it was both are going to pass some sort of stimulus. The details may have differed slightly (more money to war machine instead of green energy), but it was something both sides were going to do. W had already had a stimulus package (checks in the mail), and W was the original bail out king.
Obamacare is something that most Republicans supported via comments and Mitt Romney himself basically originated. They just all came out against it because it was Obama and the Democrats doing it. Most of the big stuff in it had long been supported by conservatives....they just didn't support it when a Democrat did it.
I just don't know that the evidence exists that a McCain then (or Romney now) Presidency would be substantially different. At best I'm hoping the country's divide slows down a little bit. End the failed war on drugs, revamp the tax code, reign in the big money, get rid of the Patriot Act, drastically decrease our bloated defense budget and get us out of countries we don't belong in, etc. These aren't on the left or the right's agenda.
youngandfree
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If Chris Matthews is your example of highly educated newscaster, you might begin looking elsewhere. Mr. "I get a thrill up my leg" for Obama apparently sucked ass when he was on Jeopardy a while back.
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youngandfree
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southpaw23
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ax1
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Romney is very supporting of the Global Carbon Tax (off topic, right now UN discussing in conference Rio). In 2005, Romney actually implemented Co2 regulations in his policy and his administration bragged how it was “the first and only state to set CO 2 emissions limits on power plants.”
Then you can look at Obama and he has only expanded all the wars including officially making our home land the official battlefield, and he has been bullying Iran (just like Romney has the last few days speaking of preemptive war with Iran) which was clearly stated by his speech to AIPAC.
So really (and I do know you already acknowledged this in a way) both are total war machine and total green energy, totally funded by the same people (Goldman Sacchs, Bain Capital) except for some of their teleprompter reading.
ROMNEY ANNOUNCES STRICT NEW CLEAN AIR REGULATIONS TO TAKE EFFECTJANUARY
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ax1
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There was point here that seemed to slip. The very same "real news" that you watch often cites youtube video's and twitter, the very ones you have dismissed as a whole because they are all made in a basement by some demented conspiracy theorist using Microsoft Video Editor.
Geoforce
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Shh, you're frustrating the "Romney will save everything he's nothing like Obama people." Maybe (and this is being really hopeful) a Romney win and presidency that looks an awful lot like George W. and Obama will go one step further towards showing people just how badly we need another party in the mix or (ideally) getting rid of all parties. They are already in lock step on health care, wars, and so much more.
southpaw23
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ax1
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southpaw23
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youngandfree
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If you recall, your guy Matthews is on record mocking Palin numerous times saying she is too stupid to go on Jeopardy. I am merely pointing out your guy in fact dis what he wished Palin would do, and in fact got the result he publicly said Palin would have.
Btw, I have never heard on liveleak being called a conservative mouth piece, so it is a legitimate source, right?
Btw, I have never heard on liveleak being called a conservative mouth piece, so it is a legitimate source, right?
Geoforce
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I'm just not sure I see the relevance in any of this. Ken Jennings was a Jeopardy king and he isn't going around calling himself the most credible journalist in the world. Palin would probably do horrible on Jeopardy, she doesn't strike me as that intelligent of a person. Matthews didn't do well on Jeopardy either, but I don't see how performance on a game show relates to to journalistic credibility. Unless you're just pointing it out for humor sakes. In my experience Palin and Matthews both seem to be pretty big idiots
Anyways it's become too easy for anyone to call anyone that disagrees with them not credible. Left and right do this ad nauseam. "Oh quoting the Washington Post, New York Times, whatever that liberal/conservative/whatever rag." Just annoying is all. And if I hear someone else say lamestream media again I may snap.
Clemenza
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Chris matthews is a journalist like I'm an astronaut.
I don't know how you can call Palin an idiot. Putting her social politics aside, she ran a state and ran it very well. Look at her record as governor.
Unfortunately she has made a mockery of herself with her reality shows. But at least she made money that way instead of being bought off by lobbyists and insider trading like the rest of them.
I don't know how you can call Palin an idiot. Putting her social politics aside, she ran a state and ran it very well. Look at her record as governor.
Unfortunately she has made a mockery of herself with her reality shows. But at least she made money that way instead of being bought off by lobbyists and insider trading like the rest of them.
ax1
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Some people are smart in different ways. I do acknowledge she has some very good business and management skills that helped her state.
However, having her reverend rebuke her from witchcraft so she can become Governor of Alaska isnt one of her best traits.
The problem I have is, and I have no issues with religion and respect peoples choices...when it comes to policy decisions, politicians who ask god for answers on foreign policy scares me.
Just another note, her and Todd Palin "were" part of the AIP (Alaskan Independence Party) by the way, which they are looking for Alaska to recede. Do I blame them? Not really, not when washington doesnt even follow the constitution any more. We do know she has had recent contact and even sending a video message for the AIP conference during her 2008 run. Its just something people should be aware of imo when they dont live in Alaska and are supporting her.
Sarah Palin and the Alaska Independence Party. Palin addresses AIP convention
Palin Witchcraft (Short Version)
Sarah Palin Gets Protection From Witches (Long Version)
Geoforce
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She has a long list of third grade type comments. I don't know why we'd put her insane social politics aside when talking about her intelligence. Inept on foreign policy and yet almost one death away from being commander in chief? And she left Alaska during her term. I'm just not a fan, agree to disagree I guess. She's a political pundit now and probably for forever so guess it's really not super important anymore. The current Republican party for some reason gets turned on by lack of intelligence as evidenced by GWB, Palin, etc. They act like having a college degree is one of the worst things that can happen to someone. It's just weird IMO. Damn I gotta get out of this thread I despise the left and right so much
Clemenza
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I think politicians ask God for guidance. I don't see anything wrong with that.
I just watched the short version film of what you just posted... and the pastor mentions "witchcraft" one time. All he says in the prayer is basically keep evils away from Palin and guide her towards righteousness so she can better serve the people in the political arena. Your headline "PALIN WITCHCRAFT" really misconstrues what went on in that video, and I believe you did that intentionally.
I'll take Palin's church over Obama's church(es)? any day of the week.
I just watched the short version film of what you just posted... and the pastor mentions "witchcraft" one time. All he says in the prayer is basically keep evils away from Palin and guide her towards righteousness so she can better serve the people in the political arena. Your headline "PALIN WITCHCRAFT" really misconstrues what went on in that video, and I believe you did that intentionally.
I'll take Palin's church over Obama's church(es)? any day of the week.
Clemenza
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She has a long list of third grade type comments. I don't know why we'd put her insane social politics aside when talking about her intelligence. Inept on foreign policy and yet almost one death away from being commander in chief? And she left Alaska during her term. I'm just not a fan, agree to disagree I guess. She's a political pundit now and probably for forever so guess it's really not super important anymore. The current Republican party for some reason gets turned on by lack of intelligence as evidenced by GWB, Palin, etc. They act like having a college degree is one of the worst things that can happen to someone. It's just weird IMO. Damn I gotta get out of this thread I despise the left and right so much
Put her social politics aside for the sake of THIS conversation/thread because arguing social politics will ruin this thread.
Did you just say the Republican party gets turned on by lack of intelligence?...
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Geoforce
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*Sigh* Here we go again. The stock answer from righties seems to be: Yeah, but Obama's worse. "Palin's crazy, but Obama's churches are crazier." "Palin's dumb, but here's Obama saying something dumb as well." "Mitt's record sucks, but Obama's record sucks as well!" Why is that ok with everyone? Why is everyone so eager to try and make the lesser of two evil's argument? And be proud to support someone who might suck a ton, but might suck just a touch less than that other person.
And why is it automatically if someone says something anti-right it automatically gets countered with something from the left? Where did I say Obama was super intelligent or that I supported him? Any politician is going to have a gaffe from time to time, especially as much as they publicly speak. Palin has a laundry list of stupid comments is all I was saying. If you want to counter with dumb Obama remarks feel free I guess, but that isn't going to make Palin seem more intelligent. And yeah turned on, look at some of the stuff said during the primaries. Intelligence, higher education, science, all routinely attacked by people on the right. Just weird is all.
As for the religion stuff I just wish it was out of politics plain and simple. It has no place imho. Just my .02
And why is it automatically if someone says something anti-right it automatically gets countered with something from the left? Where did I say Obama was super intelligent or that I supported him? Any politician is going to have a gaffe from time to time, especially as much as they publicly speak. Palin has a laundry list of stupid comments is all I was saying. If you want to counter with dumb Obama remarks feel free I guess, but that isn't going to make Palin seem more intelligent. And yeah turned on, look at some of the stuff said during the primaries. Intelligence, higher education, science, all routinely attacked by people on the right. Just weird is all.
As for the religion stuff I just wish it was out of politics plain and simple. It has no place imho. Just my .02
Clemenza
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Whoa whoa whoa... take a look at your post. You started in with the "BUSH/PALIN ARE IDIOTS BC OF SPEAKING GAFTS". That's straight out of the democrat party/left wing handbook. To say Bush is an idiot bc he mumbles his words, is a little shallow. Call him an idiot because he spent billions of dollars bailing out banks that should have gone under.
You want to take religion out of politics? Then you're going to have to change the constitution. Good luck.