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NTNM - Diet , my un-scientific approach to leanness

Something for sharing on TRT:

I'm transitioning from Test/e to Test/u. I somehow feel better on Test/u, its less pinning too. With a half life of 15 days, I pin 250mg/w -once a week and feel great. To me it feels like it does not aromatize as readily as Test/e.

Research states that Test=Test -no matter the ester, I doubt it. It may be that my test/e is contaminated, that could explain why I feel so much better on test/u. No idea -but undecanoate for the win!
 
SFreed said:
Speaking of eating, I'm heading out for some Mexican and Margaritas to celebrate getting one year closer to being a crabby old man. Pretty sure I'll make many bad food choices before the night is over. Wish me luck!!
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Enjoy your night mate! Have a lot of fun!! :)
 
SFreed said:
Speaking of eating, I'm heading out for some Mexican and Margaritas to celebrate getting one year closer to being a crabby old man. Pretty sure I'll make many bad food choices before the night is over. Wish me luck!!
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Sounds tasty and fun, have fun!
 
hairygrandpa said:
Something for sharing on TRT:

I'm transitioning from Test/e to Test/u. I somehow feel better on Test/u, its less pinning too. With a half life of 15 days, I pin 250mg/w -once a week and feel great. To me it feels like it does not aromatize as readily as Test/e.

Research states that Test=Test -no matter the ester, I doubt it. It may be that my test/e is contaminated, that could explain why I feel so much better on test/u. No idea -but undecanoate for the win!
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What’s the difference between test e and u? I’ve never heard of test u.
 
CJNator said:
What’s the difference between test e and u? I’ve never heard of test u.
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Supposedly the difference is only in half life, due to the ester. Test Enanthate has a HL of 5 days, Test Undecanoate has a HL of 15 days.
Test/u can be injected at higher amounts and acts like a depot. I pinned about 1200mg of test u the week before going on vacation, not at once, but daily 200mg for 6 days.
Did not pin for 3 weeks afterwards.

Don't try to calculate in your head how much test will be in your blood stream after pinning 1200mg, it does not work how anyone would think. A half life calculator is of great help.

The weird thing is, I feel MUCH better on test/u, still trying to figure out why.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Supposedly the difference is only in half life, due to the ester. Test Enanthate has a HL of 5 days, Test Undecanoate has a HL of 15 days.
Test/u can be injected at higher amounts and acts like a depot. I pinned about 1200mg of test u the week before going on vacation, not at once, but daily 200mg for 6 days.
Did not pin for 3 weeks afterwards.

Don't try to calculate in your head how much test will be in your blood stream after pinning 1200mg, it does not work how anyone would think. A half life calculator is of great help.

The weird thing is, I feel MUCH better on test/u, still trying to figure out why.
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Interesting, I’ll have to let my buddy know of this test type. What do you mean by feel better? What has improved in your feelings?
 
CJNator said:
Interesting, I’ll have to let my buddy know of this test type. What do you mean by feel better? What has improved in your feelings?
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Everything. More energy, more stamina, less lethargy, less AI needed. When switching, you have to take BOTH esters for awhile, because test/u takes a long time to get blood levels up.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Everything. More energy, more stamina, less lethargy, less AI needed. When switching, you have to take BOTH esters for awhile, because test/u takes a long time to get blood levels up.
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IMO maybe because it’s not fast acting so it not as taxing on your body? The saying “life’s it’s not a sprint, it’s a marathon” probably relates to that.
 
CJNator said:
IMO maybe because it’s not fast acting so it not as taxing on your body? The saying “life’s it’s not a sprint, it’s a marathon” probably relates to that.
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Maybe...maybe not, lol. I really don't know. I'm on test/e for about a year, the body should have gotten used to it by now.
 
CJNator said:
I mean the amount of times administered into the body may effect how your body reacts to test.
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I felt better when pinning twice per week test/e, instead of once. Now I feel better pinning once per week test/u. LMAO.

Important is, it works better. Why? Does it matter why? LOL
 
hairygrandpa said:
I felt better when pinning twice per week test/e, instead of once. Now I feel better pinning once per week test/u. LMAO.

Important is, it works better. Why? Does it matter why? LOL
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Yea why doesn’t really matter lol I’m always just questioning things.
 
Back
-very short pauses, almost no rest between sets and exercises

EZ-bar pendlay rows, close grip, singles (15sec pause between sets)
200lbs x14/12/12/10 drop 180lbs x8 drop 160lbs x8

Inverted row horizontal bar, holding 1 sec on top
16/14/14/10/10 RP 6 RP 5

Lat pull down
220lbs x12
240lbs x8
drop
220lbs x8
drop
200lbs x6
drop
180lbs x14
drop
160 lbs x15

Face pulls
100lbs x14/14/12/9 RP 8

Lat pushdown bar
100lbs x8
80lbs x14/13/12/12

Meal: Tilapia fillets, potatoes, tomato salad
 
hairygrandpa said:
Back
-very short pauses, almost no rest between sets and exercises

EZ-bar pendlay rows, close grip, singles (15sec pause between sets)
200lbs x14/12/12/10 drop 180lbs x8 drop 160lbs x8

Inverted row horizontal bar, holding 1 sec on top
16/14/14/10/10 RP 6 RP 5

Lat pull down
220lbs x12
240lbs x8
drop
220lbs x8
drop
200lbs x6
drop
180lbs x14
drop
160 lbs x15

Face pulls
100lbs x14/14/12/9 RP 8

Lat pushdown bar
100lbs x8
80lbs x14/13/12/12

Meal: Tilapia fillets, potatoes, tomato salad
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Workout looks great dinner sounds awesome
 
DemntedCowboy said:
Workout looks great dinner sounds awesome
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Workout was short -but I gave all I had, trying to cut rest periods to almost none. After 40min I was toast, I mean really finished.
Tilapias are from my own production, way different from the commercial -antibiotic and hormone infused crap.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Back
-very short pauses, almost no rest between sets and exercises

EZ-bar pendlay rows, close grip, singles (15sec pause between sets)
200lbs x14/12/12/10 drop 180lbs x8 drop 160lbs x8

Inverted row horizontal bar, holding 1 sec on top
16/14/14/10/10 RP 6 RP 5

Lat pull down
220lbs x12
240lbs x8
drop
220lbs x8
drop
200lbs x6
drop
180lbs x14
drop
160 lbs x15

Face pulls
100lbs x14/14/12/9 RP 8

Lat pushdown bar
100lbs x8
80lbs x14/13/12/12

Meal: Tilapia fillets, potatoes, tomato salad
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Heavy weight. Nice Lat Pulldowns!
 
hairygrandpa said:
Workout was short -but I gave all I had, trying to cut rest periods to almost none. After 40min I was toast, I mean really finished.
Tilapias are from my own production, way different from the commercial -antibiotic and hormone infused crap.
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Man, I'm coming to your house. You got a Talapia pond?
 
DemntedCowboy said:
Man, I'm coming to your house. You got a Talapia pond?
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Not at my house, I have a small farm as a hobby.
About 4000 pound fish in the pond. Have milk from my cow, chicken meat and eggs too and any kind of fruits, besides apples and cherries. Every weekend I'm going to "harvest" and do some work at the farm. Its completely biological, no fertilizers, poisons -nor antibiotics are used.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Not at my house, I have a small farm as a hobby.
About 4000 pound fish in the pond. Have milk from my cow, chicken meat and eggs too and any kind of fruits, besides apples and cherries. Every weekend I'm going to "harvest" and do some work at the farm. Its completely biological, no fertilizers, poisons -nor antibiotics are used.
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I'm on my way. Just give me a 10 digit grid. Thats all I need. Being US Army Infantry. Thats all I need to find you
 
DemntedCowboy said:
I'm on my way. Just give me a 10 digit grid. Thats all I need. Being US Army Infantry. Thats all I need to find you
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Don't do it that's how he lured me there in the first place. The farm doesn't actually exist. He just ends up chaining you up, and he'll do a bunch of weird old man fetish **** to you
 
Check this calculator out.
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hairygrandpa said:
Something for sharing on TRT:

I'm transitioning from Test/e to Test/u. I somehow feel better on Test/u, its less pinning too. With a half life of 15 days, I pin 250mg/w -once a week and feel great. To me it feels like it does not aromatize as readily as Test/e.

Research states that Test=Test -no matter the ester, I doubt it. It may be that my test/e is contaminated, that could explain why I feel so much better on test/u. No idea -but undecanoate for the win!
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Yes and no, how the test is presented and speed with which it becomes usable within the system has an effect on the hormonal response to it.
hairygrandpa said:
Supposedly the difference is only in half life, due to the ester. Test Enanthate has a HL of 5 days, Test Undecanoate has a HL of 15 days.
Test/u can be injected at higher amounts and acts like a depot. I pinned about 1200mg of test u the week before going on vacation, not at once, but daily 200mg for 6 days.
Did not pin for 3 weeks afterwards.

Don't try to calculate in your head how much test will be in your blood stream after pinning 1200mg, it does not work how anyone would think. A half life calculator is of great help.

The weird thing is, I feel MUCH better on test/u, still trying to figure out why.
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I am sure it is partially having to do with hormonal stability. YOu are dealing with far less ups and downs regarding testosterone levels, and that also effects how your estrogen levels respond and or stabilize.

kenpoengineer - I looked at that and it looks pretty cool except that it seems to just keep going up by equal increments even into the 20 week mark. At some point before the 20 week mark I would think that you would hit full maximum level of gear in the system without increasing dose or frequency. I think they figured out a good formula for how it goes up incrementally but probably not at what point is should level off due to the half lives of all the previous doses expiring. Say 100mg of test e with a half life of 5 days should die out like this. Day 1 =100mg of test Day 5 = 50mg of test, day 10, 25mg of test, day 15, 12.5mg test, day 20, 6.25 of test, day 25, 3.125, day 30, 1.625 and so on... So basically that 100mg of Test E is going to pretty much be gone in 30 days. It can no longer keep adding to the new total at that point. I think this thing might not be taking that into consideration because in a 20 week cycle that should reach it's peak and maintain there after a certain period due to things falling off at the same rate they are being introduced.

Knowing that I bet you could probably write up an even better app for it if you wanted.
 
Yesterday was day 27 / Chest day

The first few minutes I noticed I'm weak. The 65lbs DB's felt like 100lbs. Took me a minute to accept it and change my workout to 21's for all exercises.
Went pretty well. I started with Hex press flat 21's x3, super sets Push ups 21's x3, afterwards cable flies 21's x4, super sets incline press machine 21's x4. As a finisher pec deck 21's x4

15 min bicycle at 145 HR -and out.

Meal was "chili con carne". My BP is up to 150/90, started Telmisartan.
 
21’s feel like 91’s don’t they?! Looking great HG!
 
Good idea on the telmisartan. Yeah those 21 rep deals will wear ya out for sure!
 
hairygrandpa said:
Yesterday was day 27 / Chest day

The first few minutes I noticed I'm weak. The 65lbs DB's felt like 100lbs. Took me a minute to accept it and change my workout to 21's for all exercises.
Went pretty well. I started with Hex press flat 21's x3, super sets Push ups 21's x3, afterwards cable flies 21's x4, super sets incline press machine 21's x4. As a finisher pec deck 21's x4

15 min bicycle at 145 HR -and out.

Meal was "chili con carne". My BP is up to 150/90, started Telmisartan.
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From your last pics you could skip a few chest days!
 
Day 28
Woke up looking way leaner, like sudden "instant leanness", LOL.
Scale said 97.2kg, yesterday was 100kg. I lost 6lbs over night. Where did it go? I looked under the bed, nothing.

Where did it go?

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hairygrandpa said:
Day 28
Woke up looking way leaner, like sudden "instant leanness", LOL.
Scale said 97.2kg, yesterday was 100kg. I lost 6lbs over night. Where did it go? I looked under the bed, nothing.

Where did it go?

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Check the toilet. You may have taken a 6lbs sh1t.
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SFreed said:
Speaking of eating, I'm heading out for some Mexican and Margaritas to celebrate getting one year closer to being a crabby old man. Pretty sure I'll make many bad food choices before the night is over. Wish me luck!!
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Aww I hope you had a happy birthday!! That’s a great way to celebrate!

hairygrandpa said:
Day 28
Woke up looking way leaner, like sudden "instant leanness", LOL.
Scale said 97.2kg, yesterday was 100kg. I lost 6lbs over night. Where did it go? I looked under the bed, nothing.

Where did it go?

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Lol Nice!! Who cares right?!

jtmass said:
Check the toilet. You may have taken a 6lbs sh1t.
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Hahahaha omg gross
 
Day 28

Preparing for gym, this will be an "give it all until it bleeds" day.
Retouching everything -but focus on shoulders and legs.

Pre workout preparation:
-5mg cialis
-15iu slin
-1.5ml TD Trest
- 2 shaker bottles full of goodies like L-leucine, Creatine, Whey hydro, Karbolyn

After that: Meal time. Probably chicken and rice
 
Chin ups, BW holding 1 sec on top
8/7/7

Seated row
265lbs x7
230lbs x12/10

Cable curls, bar
85lbs x10/10/10

single arm cable curls tut 3.1.1
35lbs x10/10/10

V-handle triceps push down
80lbs x15/15/12/12/12 RP 7 RP 5

cable reverse grip triceps extensions tut 3.1.1.
25lbs x14/12/10/8/8/ RP6 RP4

seated lateral raises machine
100lbs x15/15/15/12/10/13/10/10/10/10

reverse pec deck
150lbs x14/15/15/12/12/ RP 7 RP 8

standing one armed landmine press
90lbs in plates x10/10
65lbs in plates TUT 4.1.1 x8/8/8

shoulder press machine
65lbs x 21's
80lbs x14/13
110lbs x8

linear leg press
400lbs x21's/21's
600lbs x15/15
500lbs x20
400lbs TUT 4.1.1 x10/10

Leg extensions
150lbs x20/20
130lbs TUT 3.1.1. x15/15/15/ Rp 10 RP 6

10 minutes bicycle

That's how I walked home after this:

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hairygrandpa said:
Chin ups, BW holding 1 sec on top
8/7/7

Seated row
265lbs x7
230lbs x12/10

Cable curls, bar
85lbs x10/10/10

single arm cable curls tut 3.1.1
35lbs x10/10/10

V-handle triceps push down
80lbs x15/15/12/12/12 RP 7 RP 5

cable reverse grip triceps extensions tut 3.1.1.
25lbs x14/12/10/8/8/ RP6 RP4

seated lateral raises machine
100lbs x15/15/15/12/10/13/10/10/10/10

reverse pec deck
150lbs x14/15/15/12/12/ RP 7 RP 8

standing one armed landmine press
90lbs in plates x10/10
65lbs in plates TUT 4.1.1 x8/8/8

shoulder press machine
65lbs x 21's
80lbs x14/13
110lbs x8

linear leg press
400lbs x21's/21's
600lbs x15/15
500lbs x20
400lbs TUT 4.1.1 x10/10

Leg extensions
150lbs x20/20
130lbs TUT 3.1.1. x15/15/15/ Rp 10 RP 6

10 minutes bicycle

That's how I walked home after this:

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Nice work!
 
hairygrandpa said:
That's how I walked home after this:

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^^
That walk looks too energetic after all of that!

I’d think more like this...

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Day 29

-off-

Everything aches, nothing left to train.
Will have one small meal on my off day, probably some scrambled eggs.
Weight is still at 97kg (Was 103kg, 30 days ago) -but waist got slimmer and pants are dropping.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Day 28
Woke up looking way leaner, like sudden "instant leanness", LOL.
Scale said 97.2kg, yesterday was 100kg. I lost 6lbs over night. Where did it go? I looked under the bed, nothing.

Where did it go?

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That is that there WHOOSH effect that often happens while dieting. Has to do with intracellular water in the fat cells being temporarily retained. Then after a bit the intracellular water gets released and WHOOSH several pounds can come off.

Pretty common occurrence, same as HIT4ME mentioned a few times as well.
 
Day 30
Caught some type of intestinal bug with bloat, diarrhea and overall nauseous malaise.
I prepared a huge chicken in a crock pot and left it over night outside the fridge, pretty sure that's the culprit. I was the only one eating from it.
I'm terrified to go to sleep, the moment I relax my butthole, disaster will strike.
Popped some charcoal tablets and golden seal root extract.
Could be a long night....
 
It got worse. I'm losing about a quart of liquid every 30min.
I'm sipping constantly on water+electrolytes, trying to get as much in as I can.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Chin ups, BW holding 1 sec on top
8/7/7

Seated row
265lbs x7
230lbs x12/10

Cable curls, bar
85lbs x10/10/10

single arm cable curls tut 3.1.1
35lbs x10/10/10

V-handle triceps push down
80lbs x15/15/12/12/12 RP 7 RP 5

cable reverse grip triceps extensions tut 3.1.1.
25lbs x14/12/10/8/8/ RP6 RP4

seated lateral raises machine
100lbs x15/15/15/12/10/13/10/10/10/10

reverse pec deck
150lbs x14/15/15/12/12/ RP 7 RP 8

standing one armed landmine press
90lbs in plates x10/10
65lbs in plates TUT 4.1.1 x8/8/8

shoulder press machine
65lbs x 21's
80lbs x14/13
110lbs x8

linear leg press
400lbs x21's/21's
600lbs x15/15
500lbs x20
400lbs TUT 4.1.1 x10/10

Leg extensions
150lbs x20/20
130lbs TUT 3.1.1. x15/15/15/ Rp 10 RP 6

10 minutes bicycle

That's how I walked home after this:

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Man I’m getting DOMS from looking at your workout lol.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Day 30
Caught some type of intestinal bug with bloat, diarrhea and overall nauseous malaise.
I prepared a huge chicken in a crock pot and left it over night outside the fridge, pretty sure that's the culprit. I was the only one eating from it.
I'm terrified to go to sleep, the moment I relax my butthole, disaster will strike.
Popped some charcoal tablets and golden seal root extract.
Could be a long night....
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Lmaoo I know that feeling
 
Oh no! Sure hope you feel better!!
 
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