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bigdavid

bigdavid

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I have never used a supplement for memory or focus before (besides something simple like caffeine) so I was hoping to get some suggestions for good products that are out. Names of separate ingredients I can further research would be helpful as well.
 
Sup bud,

Focus XT is the best comprehensive product out there IMO. For $14, you have all your nootropic bases covered. Stack it with aniracetam for optimal cognitive function.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Sup bud,

Focus XT is the best comprehensive product out there IMO. For $14, you have all your nootropic bases covered. Stack it with aniracetam for optimal cognitive function.
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Hey man,

Had a feeling you'd chime in on this one :D. How do you dose these types of products? Is it something you just take while studying or on a regular bases for some sort of cumulative effect?
 
bigdavid said:
Hey man,

Had a feeling you'd chime in on this one :D. How do you dose these types of products? Is it something you just take while studying or on a regular bases for some sort of cumulative effect?
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Nootropics are best used for a cumulative effect. You'd appreciate my pre-MCAT study regimen. 3 products: Focus XT, Aniracetam, and Pramiracetam.

Nootropics generally work by subchronically elevating acetylcholine, which is obviously implicated in memory formation and retention. Thus, Focus XT will improve sharpness/alertness, memory formation, and memory recall/retention. Racetams have a wide array of effects depending on the type you are using, but they seem to not only improve memory but also elaboration of thought.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Nootropics are best used for a cumulative effect. You'd appreciate my pre-MCAT study regimen. 3 products: Focus XT, Aniracetam, and Pramiracetam.

Nootropics generally work by subchronically elevating acetylcholine, which is obviously implicated in memory formation and retention. Thus, Focus XT will improve sharpness/alertness, memory formation, and memory recall/retention. Racetams have a wide array of effects depending on the type you are using, but they seem to not only improve memory but also elaboration of thought.
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Very cool. I wonder what I'll be like after trying these supplements. I have deff noticed a decrease in focus and attention span over the past few years, still getting through it all just fine but I could deff be more efficient.
 
bigdavid said:
Very cool. I wonder what I'll be like after trying these supplements. I have deff noticed a decrease in focus and attention span over the past few years, still getting through it all just fine but I could deff be more efficient.
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I would highly recommend 1 scoop of Focus XT + 1.5g Aniracetam, both first thing in the morning on an empty stomach, for 1-2 months. No need to use the aniracetam or focus XT at any other time of day. You're after the subchronic effects, which after a few weeks will present themselves in all your day-to-day activities.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
I would highly recommend 1 scoop of Focus XT + 1.5g Aniracetam, both first thing in the morning on an empty stomach, for 1-2 months. No need to use the aniracetam or focus XT at any other time of day. You're after the subchronic effects, which after a few weeks will present themselves in all your day-to-day activities.
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I will deff give these a try for a few months, thanks. Too bad my last final is in 5 days :P.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
I would highly recommend 1 scoop of Focus XT + 1.5g Aniracetam, both first thing in the morning on an empty stomach, for 1-2 months. No need to use the aniracetam or focus XT at any other time of day. You're after the subchronic effects, which after a few weeks will present themselves in all your day-to-day activities.
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are nootropics safe? are the safe for long term use? can they be mixed with a mild pre such as white flood? do the effect the CNS? just some questions... thanks.
 
Afi140 said:
are nootropics safe? are the safe for long term use? can they be mixed with a mild pre such as white flood? do the effect the CNS? just some questions... thanks.
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Most nootropics are actually neuroprotective. I would recommend cycling anything, but subchronic use is the way to go. They can certainly be mixed with white flood. They are not CNS stimulants.
 
Been lurking a while, reading a ton on this as I've been after the same kind of thing. This forum rocks! I just ordered my first round of supplements based on what I've read over a number of threads here (Thanks mr.cooper69, you are a fountain of knowledge in this realm). I bought a tub of Focus XT, SAN ALCAR (750mg), and 500g of Piracetam. Looks like I may be picking up Na-R-ALA as I didn't grab this yet. Is the general concensus that Aniracetam is overall superior to Piracetam?

I'm going to try this stack for the next month and I'm excited to try it, but may swap out the Piracetam for Aniracetam to compare if others are seeing better results/effects...
 
sith005 said:
Been lurking a while, reading a ton on this as I've been after the same kind of thing. This forum rocks! I just ordered my first round of supplements based on what I've read over a number of threads here (Thanks mr.cooper69, you are a fountain of knowledge in this realm). I bought a tub of Focus XT, SAN ALCAR (750mg), and 500g of Piracetam. Looks like I may be picking up Na-R-ALA as I didn't grab this yet. Is the general concensus that Aniracetam is overall superior to Piracetam?

I'm going to try this stack for the next month and I'm excited to try it, but may swap out the Piracetam for Aniracetam to compare if others are seeing better results/effects...
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In healthy subjects, I would opt for aniracetam. If you are aging and suffering from memory issues, Piracetam may be superior.
 
bigdavid said:
I have never used a supplement for memory or focus before (besides something simple like caffeine) so I was hoping to get some suggestions for good products that are out. Names of separate ingredients I can further research would be helpful as well.
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Any of the racetams. I'm partial to piracetam for cost effectiveness, along with a good choline source. I likes me some alpha GPC, personally. Throw in some alcar for the acetyl group, and you've got a recipe for a whole bunch of cholinergic action right thurr.
 
I am a big fan of Alpha-GPC, Huperzine-A, and Rhodiola as a stack. It makes a very noticeable difference in cognitive effects. Focus XT sounds interesting, it is just to bad they had to add the caffeine in there.

On days that I really need an edge, adding Vinpocetine is beneficial. I would use it everyday, but I do notice that it will upset my stomach if I take too much.
 
I started doing some research on the racetams and it is about the most interesting thing I have read about in recent memory. I love the topic of nootropics, and I am always looking for information on sups that really work. These seem to be universally agreed upon as working well, but experiences seem to differ depending on which one people take. Is there a general sense on how each will affect a person with regards to memory, anxiety, and emotional well being? The main three I see popping up are ani, pra, and pir.
 
bigdavid said:
I have never used a supplement for memory or focus before (besides something simple like caffeine) so I was hoping to get some suggestions for good products that are out. Names of separate ingredients I can further research would be helpful as well.
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If you want to try a preworkout based around nootropics NeuroSurge is one to seriously consider. Its very smooth focused energy and extremely long lasting without any crash. The ingredeints are not so typical either and tastes great. So far the feedback on it has been great.
 
kisaj said:
I started doing some research on the racetams and it is about the most interesting thing I have read about in recent memory. I love the topic of nootropics, and I am always looking for information on sups that really work. These seem to be universally agreed upon as working well, but experiences seem to differ depending on which one people take. Is there a general sense on how each will affect a person with regards to memory, anxiety, and emotional well being? The main three I see popping up are ani, pra, and pir.
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They are extremely user-dependent, but their pharmacology and effects on a neurophysiological level are fairly well known, mostly for piracetam.
 
Do you have any experience with aniracetam? That seems to be the one I am reading the most favorable reviews on.
 
What is your first? I just ordered aniracetam a couple minutes ago and am pretty excited. I tend to be someone that is highly affected by nootropics, so I love them.
 
kisaj said:
What is your first? I just ordered aniracetam a couple minutes ago and am pretty excited. I tend to be someone that is highly affected by nootropics, so I love them.
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Pramiracetam is my favorite but I can't find a reliable source at this moment in time, as it varies in potency.
 
kisaj said:
Do you have any experience with aniracetam? That seems to be the one I am reading the most favorable reviews on.
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Ani is wonderful. I prefer Oxiracetam for straight memorization periods as it sort of has a relaxing effect to it, but many individuals would not like this relaxed feeling for studying as Coop will point out in his own anecdotal trials.

I also like 3g Pir+1-1.5g Aniracetam with a scoop of Focus XT for long, long, long study sessions. Like tonight haha
 
Awesome. Really what I want it for is my meetings. I deal with exec level people day and day out in critical times, so I really need to be sharp and better than everyone else in the room. Or at least give the perception that I am. haha. When you are mentally firing on all cylinders and on top of speaking, the confidence is through the roof. From what I have been reading with regards to the level of detail that you think and speak with on Ani- it sounds like a winner. We'll see how it goes.
 
kisaj said:
Awesome. Really what I want it for is my meetings. I deal with exec level people day and day out in critical times, so I really need to be sharp and better than everyone else in the room. Or at least give the perception that I am. haha. When you are mentally firing on all cylinders and on top of speaking, the confidence is through the roof. From what I have been reading with regards to the level of detail that you think and speak with on Ani- it sounds like a winner. We'll see how it goes.
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I know how that feels, I just got done working at a national law firm last week ( was there for a year), and I had to deal with many of these lawyers on a daily basis so I understand completely.

Focus XT always got me through the day feeling good.
 
Day 2 on aniracetam and I am definitely one of the people that is energized on this. The first day I took a cap (750mg) and started feeling a racing feeling in about 20 minutes. About 15 min after that, I found that I was in a laser focus on whatever I stared at- which I don't know if it is normal. When I am involved with something, I am 100% involved mentally, but I feel a little slow switching from one thing to another because I have so much focus on what I am involved with. So it's like a split second readjustment. The same thing today, but I am really noticing the energy in my head. It's like I want to figure stuff out and not just do my normal work on my computer. I am taking 750 in the morning with a 120mg of rhodiola and 300mg of alpha GPC and then the same at about 2:30pm.

If anyone had experience with this let me know if this sounds right. I really like it and know that being this "on" might take adjustment.
 
kisaj said:
Day 2 on aniracetam and I am definitely one of the people that is energized on this. The first day I took a cap (750mg) and started feeling a racing feeling in about 20 minutes. About 15 min after that, I found that I was in a laser focus on whatever I stared at- which I don't know if it is normal. When I am involved with something, I am 100% involved mentally, but I feel a little slow switching from one thing to another because I have so much focus on what I am involved with. So it's like a split second readjustment. The same thing today, but I am really noticing the energy in my head. It's like I want to figure stuff out and not just do my normal work on my computer. I am taking 750 in the morning with a 120mg of rhodiola and 300mg of alpha GPC and then the same at about 2:30pm.

If anyone had experience with this let me know if this sounds right. I really like it and know that being this "on" might take adjustment.
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Thanks for your experiences. I just ordered some focus xt and this was next on my list.
 
I recently changed brands of rhodiola in the last few days and I actually wonder if I am feeling the effects of that. Everything I have read seems to say that it takes at least a few days for the mind to react to the aniracetam.
 
bigdavid said:
I have never used a supplement for memory or focus before (besides something simple like caffeine) so I was hoping to get some suggestions for good products that are out. Names of separate ingredients I can further research would be helpful as well.
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Very nice...Look like Coop has you covered all the way around....true story, when deciding on a user name, he nearly went with Mr.Nootropic69.... :paranoid:
 
schizm said:
Very nice...Look like Coop has you covered all the way around....true story, when deciding on a user name, he nearly went with Mr.Nootropic69.... :paranoid:
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I'm sad I didn't even know this type of supplement existed until recently, could have used it all through undergrad lol
 
A couple observations beginning day 5- it was definitely the ani kicking in fast and not the alpha-gpc or rhodiola because I now know what to expect. I recommend eating food with this and taking an energizer to piggyback. Rhodiola is the best thing in the world to me, but caffeine would work too. Yesterday I took just the aniracetam and the alpha-gpc and just felt like reading and getting into something, but was a little lazy. I ended up playing puzzles with my daughter for an hour and dove into some work. Taking caffeine or something with a little kick brings out more focus and not just thinking.

Mood. This was noticed right away but I didn't know it until now. This has to be due to the anti anxiety properties, but my mood is incredible. I don't have a lot of anxiety, but I can tell that this makes my mood better because I can concentrate better and I talk faster because my thoughts are clear. This all puts me in a good mood. Chicken or egg to me. Do I feel less anxiety because I am thinking clear or am I thinking clear because I don't feel any anxiety? You got me.

So far, I really like the feeling. It is subtle and not the "oh my god this is amazing!!" type stuff I have been reading about, but no question is good for the mind.
 
Yes I realize that I am actually bumping my own comments, but this is such an interesting supplement to me that I feel the need to almost log it. So, I have really been noticing the anti anxiety part of this more than anything. Being in situations that I know normally get my temper up or that I get annoyed in, have all but vanished in only this short amount of time. I simply don't care- or better said, things just don't bother me all of a sudden. It's not like I am artificially happy, I just feel calm in my mind. My wife asked me today if I was ok. I said sure, why? She told me that in the last couple days that it seemed like I was disconnected or that I was thinking of something. Maybe it looks like that on the outside, but I just feel a clear mind that isn't getting rattled by every little thing. It is very comforting and I could see that this would enable better thinking and speaking. I don't recognize any benefits to this point with memory or recall.
 
do any of these give you a big mood boost? I've been kinda down lately and wanted to try some nootropics for mood boosting. Not so much about the cognitive effects, just to feel good. I know stims like slim xtreme used to do this but i like to avoid stims nowadays.

Thanks.
 
jamesm11 said:
do any of these give you a big mood boost? I've been kinda down lately and wanted to try some nootropics for mood boosting. Not so much about the cognitive effects, just to feel good. I know stims like slim xtreme used to do this but i like to avoid stims nowadays.

Thanks.
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You won't get a stim-like euphoria, but I use Picamilon-150 for this purpose.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
You won't get a stim-like euphoria, but I use Picamilon-150 for this purpose.
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I think I have some from SNS around. Along with focus xt, glucuronolactone, piracetam and huperizine

Oh and phenibut. Lol I got a lot of their stuff a few months ago.

I haven't figured out dosing and what to take empty and full stomach
 
kisaj said:
Yes I realize that I am actually bumping my own comments, but this is such an interesting supplement to me that I feel the need to almost log it. So, I have really been noticing the anti anxiety part of this more than anything. Being in situations that I know normally get my temper up or that I get annoyed in, have all but vanished in only this short amount of time. I simply don't care- or better said, things just don't bother me all of a sudden. It's not like I am artificially happy, I just feel calm in my mind. My wife asked me today if I was ok. I said sure, why? She told me that in the last couple days that it seemed like I was disconnected or that I was thinking of something. Maybe it looks like that on the outside, but I just feel a clear mind that isn't getting rattled by every little thing. It is very comforting and I could see that this would enable better thinking and speaking. I don't recognize any benefits to this point with memory or recall.
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Yeah, same effects with me. Ani alone is very mellow, mixed with caffeine, and sulbutiamine its almost like mdma. Gonna keep experimenting with combinations.
 
dsohei said:
Some you need to take with fat, like aniracetam.
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You by no means need to take aniracetam with fat. Its water solubility is 2.47g/L; thus, uptake will be fine but BBB permeability will actually be higher​. All of this in the absence of fat.
 
I have no idea what happened to my posts after the maintenance last night, but I found that it is better to take with food. Once I eat, it kicks right in. I took it twice without food and it took 1-2 hours.

Oh, and for the record- my experience is different than some of the ones I have read about. I read about laziness in the beginning and then a sense of heightened awareness and energy for any where from 2-7 hours. I feel a slight energy increase in about 15-20 minutes and that lasts for about two hours with a real desire to do things mentally. Then that tapers into a complete sense of serenity in the mind. Fully aware and awake, but as calm as can be. You can compartmentalize thoughts and speak very well.

For my money to this point, there isn't anything better for a clear, calm mind. If any of the other racetams are like this, I will definitely try them out.
 
I am going to give Aniracetam a try again tomorrow morning. It made me tired, as did Oxiracetam, and that was all I noticed. I have a bunch of capsules remaining and this thread inspired me to try it again.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
You by no means need to take aniracetam with fat. Its water solubility is 2.47g/L; thus, uptake will be fine but BBB permeability will actually be higher​. All of this in the absence of fat.
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cooper, is oxiracetam better than other members of the racetam family for cognitive function??
 
I'm interested in some detailed feedback from Cooper on what his experiences were like. So far, mine is nothing like most report. I associate ani with clear energy and an anxiety killer. Not even the slightest hint of laziness.
 
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