nolva or clomid

trucks18

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going to take p-plex tren cycle but herd mixed reviews on pct. plane inhibit-e lean fx and diesel test is that enough or do i need clomid or nolva? i'm 28 work out 6 days a week eat pretty healthy 183 lbs 13 % bf last i checked .
 
trucks18 said:
going to take p-plex tren cycle but herd mixed reviews on pct. plane inhibit-e lean fx and diesel test is that enough or do i need clomid or nolva? i'm 28 work out 6 days a week eat pretty healthy 183 lbs 13 % bf last i checked .
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after doing some indepth research recently, i have deceided to use both in all my upcoming PCT. they both having different advantages. so i'm going to be running a low dose of both. nolva 20/20/10/10 and clomid 50/50/25/25. i will be getting pre and post bloodwork done for my next cycle in about a month or so, i will let all know where i'm at.
 
I could be way off base here, but it is my understanding that Nolva wouldnt be the best when on Tren becasue Tren has a progesterone activity. And since Nolva binds to estrogen receptors, it wouldnt be as effective. Maybe someone who knows a little better can chime in.
 
tyler4 said:
I could be way off base here, but it is my understanding that Nolva wouldnt be the best when on Tren becasue Tren has a progesterone activity. And since Nolva binds to estrogen receptors, it wouldnt be as effective. Maybe someone who knows a little better can chime in.
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IMO that would be good in breast tissue for gyno prevention. But not as strong of an hpta effect for testicular recovery since it doesn't bind to receptors in the brain as strongly.

I personally don't see the difference on whether a compound is prog based or not and how that would affect your serm choice. But I'd be willing to listen to your theory :think:

To the OP, depends on what your dosages are and how your cycle turns out to be brotha. I ran a 5 weeker of Phera and dosed up to only 45mg. Ran a low dose Torem. IMO I didn't recover fast enough and wish I would have used Clomid for a week or 2 to get the boys going full speed and then swithced to Nolva or Torem at a low dose for continued gyno prevention for a few weeks, maybe even EOD with that last part.
 
celc5 said:
IMO that would be good in breast tissue for gyno prevention. But not as strong of an hpta effect for testicular recovery since it doesn't bind to receptors in the brain as strongly.

I personally don't see the difference on whether a compound is prog based or not and how that would affect your serm choice. But I'd be willing to listen to your theory :think:

To the OP, depends on what your dosages are and how your cycle turns out to be brotha. I ran a 5 weeker of Phera and dosed up to only 45mg. Ran a low dose Torem. IMO I didn't recover fast enough and wish I would have used Clomid for a week or 2 to get the boys going full speed and then swithced to Nolva or Torem at a low dose for continued gyno prevention for a few weeks, maybe even EOD with that last part.
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I was just stating what I understood. I am by no means an expert or even close to one when it comes to this so I will say you are probably correct. As far as gyno prevention, what would be your recomendation while on a Tren cycle? Or more specific, 1T Tren from PP.
 
i'm going with p-plex 20/30/30/30 and on the start of the 3rd week going to 60/60/60/60 on tren. with my research it seem to be a good cycle for good lean gains if i can keep them at the end of pct .
 
tyler4 said:
I was just stating what I understood. I am by no means an expert or even close to one when it comes to this so I will say you are probably correct. As far as gyno prevention, what would be your recomendation while on a Tren cycle? Or more specific, 1T Tren from PP.
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Just to reiterate, I wasn't necessarily challenging your theory :D I've heard similar statements about nolva and prog. But never got any explanations to make me even look further into the thoery.

To answer your question, IMO a low dose AI for estrogen and PowerFull for prolactin. That should keep you in the clear for prevention. But if you get a case of the tingly nipplies or gyno, neither of those will help.

Finally, I've never ran PP's 1T. I know what it's suppose to be but it's never caught my interest enough to read any logs or even the writeup. So, my prevention ideas shouldn't hold a lot of weight for you (disclaimer LOL).
 
celc5 said:
Just to reiterate, I wasn't necessarily challenging your theory :D I've heard similar statements about nolva and prog. But never got any explanations to make me even look further into the thoery.

To answer your question, IMO a low dose AI for estrogen and PowerFull for prolactin. That should keep you in the clear for prevention. But if you get a case of the tingly nipplies or gyno, neither of those will help.

Finally, I've never ran PP's 1T. I know what it's suppose to be but it's never caught my interest enough to read any logs or even the writeup. So, my prevention ideas shouldn't hold a lot of weight for you (disclaimer LOL).
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Cool, I've heard these statements about Nolva but I haven't heard the science behind it either.
 
tyler4 said:
I could be way off base here, but it is my understanding that Nolva wouldnt be the best when on Tren becasue Tren has a progesterone activity. And since Nolva binds to estrogen receptors, it wouldnt be as effective. Maybe someone who knows a little better can chime in.
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Somewhat true. Nolva unregulates progestin receptors and can cause issues with progestin compounds. HOWEVER, no OTC tren product is a progestin, so this should not be an issue. You may see some progestin-like sides, but if you know what you're doing, you should be fine (aka get some p5p or vitex just incase some prolactin issues occur, among other things).


OP, for that cycle either nolva or clomid would work. Some would also recommend going OTC, but it depends who you want to listen to.
 
I'd pick either or. I prefer nolva myself but alot of people love clomid. Studies go back on forth in terms of which is more effective, as do very very educated people (krzna for example has switched back and forth a few times).
 
i dont like what i hear about nolva, i hear people getting gyno when they come of it ect...

Clomid sounds better for testicular recovery
 
buster0371 said:
i dont like what i hear about nolva, i hear people getting gyno when they come of it ect...
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the reason why that happens is because neither Nolva or clomid do anything about the estro that is in your body other than blocking the receptor. the estro is still there and not always lowered enough when you come off of taking your SERM. if estro is hih and you stop taking the SERM, there by leaving the estro-receptor open for estro, what do you think will happen? only an AI will help here.......and you only need one when estro is high, bloodwork can tell you that. this responce was if reference to a thread from today Invalid Link Removed just wanted to give mooch and crazy their just do and props for explaining it better than i could
 
Good theory. Still doesn't prevent the weird stuff that happens hormonally long after pct. I rebounded a good 6-8 weeks post pct with some mild gyno. I followed almost the exact plan that you described Lennox. Again, good theory, but it's not a rule by any means.
 
celc5 said:
Good theory. Still doesn't prevent the weird stuff that happens hormonally long after pct. I rebounded a good 6-8 weeks post pct with some mild gyno. I followed almost the exact plan that you described Lennox. Again, good theory, but it's not a rule by any means.
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Cel5, you know i respect you, you have helped me in the past,and you've been around as long as me man so when i ask "do you get blood work done" you know why i ask. this is not to say that i have always gotten blood work done in the past, cause i have not. just in the last 2 or 3 cycles have i started doing this to see where i'm at, and i got that advise from this board. my question is also not to try and validate my above point either, just wondering what kind of weird stuff goes on that long after PCT and where your test and estro was in PCT or after.
 
lennoxchi said:
Cel5, you know i respect you, you have helped me in the past,and you've been around as long as me man so when i ask "do you get blood work done" you know why i ask. this is not to say that i have always gotten blood work done in the past, cause i have not. just in the last 2 or 3 cycles have i started doing this to see where i'm at, and i got that advise from this board. my question is also not to try and validate my above point either, just wondering what kind of weird stuff goes on that long after PCT and where your test and estro was in PCT or after.
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No offense taken brotha. Totally reasonable questions IMO.

Bloodwork post phera showed really good recovery on all notes hormonally. I ran a low dose of Torem alongside a hyperdrol ramp. After the torem was finished, I tapered hyperdrol. IMO the low dose torem eventually worked out well, but that pct was real shaky and took too long to recover libido and stabilize mood for what was in my opinion a fairly light cycle.

I did not have bloodwork post pct SD because I KNEW it was a wreck. I ran the "broski" dose Torem with a ramp/taper of 6oxo. IMO the 6oxo is a nice aggression and strength enhancer but I suspect it may have left room for some estrogenic activity. I ran some ATD about 2 months after pct when the gyno popped up. After that, I got my bloodwork. It was normal again, with just a slightly higher estradiol and noticably lower HDL than post phera.

In my personal opinion, it would have made no difference whatsoever if I would have had the bloodwork immediately post cycle SD or post pct after that. I think we underestimate how drastically hormones fluctuate from day to day and at the same time overestimate how quickly we assume problems occur such as gyno.

Cheers for good discussion :cheers:
 
use the nolva...could use both nolva and clomid but some ppl have bad sides to clomid. Nolva is preferred if you only use one or the other.
 
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