New Year Cut Stack: Clen / T3 / Ephedrine / Caffeine ?

[MidwestBeast]

I'm planning out a potential cut for the start of January 1(ish). I'm a week into my stim detox (should be 2, but that's neither here nor there lol) and am calorie restricted already, but am setting up for the big cut once the new year hits and I'm about a month free from stims.

I've had great success with the E/C stack in the past and have had a little experience with clen as well, though it was pretty brief.

I'm thinking something like clen and E/C switching off either from week to week or every 2 weeks, running the T3 at a very low dose throughout.

I'll also have ostarine SARM available and was thinking of running it for the duration to help with muscle preservation. I could potentially run Winstrol throughout, but wasn't exactly wanting to do that yet.

I guess the biggest thing I'm looking for advice on here is what others who have actually done any portion of this stack or something similar suggest. I've researched this stuff for an incredibly long time, but a lot of the information is several years old and there are a ton of contradicting posts or articles.

- Do others think osta would be decent enough to run alongside this stack to preserve muscle semi-decently?

- Is swapping out E/C and clen weekly a better choice? Or bi-weekly?

- Is running T3 at a low dose throughout the ~8 weeks acceptable (I fully acknowledge the potential damage it can cause, so that's not what I'm asking about)?

- What else would one recommend running along side all of this (I'm considering CLA and Acetyl L-Carnitine on a ketogenic diet)?

- How do you recommend dosing T3 (splitting times and with or without food? I'm guessing without, though I haven't found a clear answer on that.)?



Thank you in advance for any and all suggestions. Perhaps this could be a good place for others to discuss and get questions answered as well.

:cheers:

 

[MikeGfilms]

out any anabolics...prepare to lose alot of muscle.

 

[MidwestBeast]

out any anabolics...prepare to lose alot of muscle.

That's why I was considering the winstrol, but was unsure from someone who had actually run this if something milder (like osta) could still do the trick (to a lesser extent, of course).

 

[GeekPoop]

dont quote me but im almost positive that eph and clen use/affect the same receptor so jus stick to one or the other.

 

[gaijininjapan]

you can upregulate your regulators w/ benadryl or ketotifen, both antihistamines.

Also, I read that clen was a mild anabolic (or anti-catabolic?), so wouldn't that prevent the muscle loss? unless you're planning a serious caloric deficit, or the catabolic T3 would be to blame?....

 

[MidwestBeast]

dont quote me but im almost positive that eph and clen use/affect the same receptor so jus stick to one or the other.

I can't get to the thread/article I'd read previously at the moment, but somewhere I'd read that they affected different receptors (and that ephedrine actually hit more; but that part I could be remembering wrong).

 

[MidwestBeast]

you can upregulate your regulators w/ benadryl or ketotifen, both antihistamines.

Also, I read that clen was a mild anabolic (or anti-catabolic?), so wouldn't that prevent the muscle loss? unless you're planning a serious caloric deficit, or the catabolic T3 would be to blame?....

I did use benadryl in the past for my brief experience with clen - I'd definitely use it again.

My understanding is that clen is certainly not enough to halt muscle loss. Most suggest winstrol at a minimum, but that's why I was curious if either a more mild ph or even osta could cut it to some extent just to not put quite as much stress on the body and throw as much into this stack.

I'd likely run this in a keto diet as whether I'm taking anything along with it or not, it yields great results in fat loss for me personally. My deficit wouldn't be that steep with these in play - very high protein (300-350g / day) - and I'd continue my morning cardio sessions, weights 5 days a week and hopefully some more basketball (just depends on if people are playing or not).

 

[BarbellBeast]

I would say Clen + T3. You should really run an anabolic with it man. Unless you don't care about burning up a bunch of muscle. Which I'm sure you do.

 

[gaijininjapan]

I read that T3 doesn't really start catabolizing muscle until dosed above 25mcg... and with keto, you could theoretically run more than a 2 week clen cycle, so maybe keep t3 dosage at 25mcg while dosing clen with keto simultaneously?

I'm wondering is such a low dose of t3 coupled with clen would even require an anabolic if you're training 4-5 times a week on a high protein, med carb, low fat caloric deficit diet...