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New Product - M14-E

Grambo,

I'm feeling great on this cycle. Great strength increases.

Just wanted to ask you about my PCT coming up here in about 18 days.

I have ReCycle, Organ shield, and Formex lined up. I plan on adding XLean by week 2 or so.

I have a strong feeling that after a long, somewhat harsh cycle of methyls that I'm going to need more than this for PCT.

I don't have access to any SERMs. I don't even have the first clue where to find any. I'd love to find some nolva, but I don't know where.

Would you agree that I need to use a SERM? Or, should I be ok?

Again my cycle is as follows:

Epi 30mg ED for 2 1/2 weeks.

Started the following on week 2, day 4:

Day 1: 20mg Epi, 2 m14-e, 75mg Formex
Day 2: 3 m14-e, 75mg Formex
Day 3: 20mg Epi, 2 m14-e, 75mg Formex
Day 4: 3 m14-e, 75mg Formex
etc
etc
repeat days as shown for approx. 25 days.

What do you think, man?
 
SSD21 said:
Grambo,

I'm feeling great on this cycle. Great strength increases.

Just wanted to ask you about my PCT coming up here in about 18 days.

I have ReCycle, Organ shield, and Formex lined up. I plan on adding XLean by week 2 or so.

I have a strong feeling that after a long, somewhat harsh cycle of methyls that I'm going to need more than this for PCT.

I don't have access to any SERMs. I don't even have the first clue where to find any. I'd love to find some nolva, but I don't know where.

Would you agree that I need to use a SERM? Or, should I be ok?

Again my cycle is as follows:

Epi 30mg ED for 2 1/2 weeks.

Started the following on week 2, day 4:

Day 1: 20mg Epi, 2 m14-e, 75mg Formex
Day 2: 3 m14-e, 75mg Formex
Day 3: 20mg Epi, 2 m14-e, 75mg Formex
Day 4: 3 m14-e, 75mg Formex
etc
etc
repeat days as shown for approx. 25 days.

What do you think, man?
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Looks good man. Can't wait to see the final results.
 
I would have tried to find a serm before starting the cycle. I don't think anything bad will happen to you without one but if you want to keep your gains you'll most likely need one.
 
I just found out from my friend at work today that he got his m14-e delivered with FedEx express. They sent him a text message to email them the ingredients in all the products he ordered. He didn't lie at all and listed the m14-e ingredients. One of the ingredients is m1,4add which is actually on the customs list of banned substances. He knew this but sent it anyway. They gave it to customs on Monday and he got it delivered Wednesday.
 
Im currently waiting for mine to clear customs as its having some kind of delay and they have not asked me for my ingredients yet. I ordered e-pol and m14-e. I'm probably going to lie about my ingredients if they ever end up asking. ;)
 
I am tempted to get the M14-E. Not ready for a bulk yet but it is hard not to say yes to a deal. Even though my stash is already crazy. I like Epi in fact doing an Epi pulse now but haven't tried M1,4ADD. What would be a realistic dosage be for say 5'6" 185 pounds? I honestly don't want to buy 2 bottles but don't want it to be a waste.
 
Epi 5 weeks at 20/30mg with revolt at 50mg(revolt was pointless)
Xtreme Tren 4 weeks stacked with Winadrol (crazy results, I was keeping up with a body builder friend of mine).
Was dumb and used Decabolen (never again will I do something like that).
Right now a 7 week 50mg Epi pulse. On week 3 loving it.
 
thanks Grayhorse for your reply - ive only tried getting them into Australia once, and i got the manudfacturer to swap the bottles ... otherwise everyone seems to be of the same opinion - Australia is way to hard to get stuff into!
 
Grambo,

i havent really heard much on the Nasty Mass.. how would that compare to the new M14E? bulking over winter and i didnt know which one to get.. what do u recommend for most noticable size gains?

Thanks a lot
 
redrocket399 said:
Grambo,

i havent really heard much on the Nasty Mass.. how would that compare to the new M14E? bulking over winter and i didnt know which one to get.. what do u recommend for most noticable size gains?

Thanks a lot
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Nasty Mass is a risky product to take because it causes crazy estrogen levels = gyno. M14-e is much more safer because although m1,4add is a wet compound its balanced out by epi which is dry.

Nasty Mass == Pheraplex + LMG/Revolt -- "Pheraplex is a solid product for bulking. Wet gains. It is a sometimes used to jumpstart an injectable cycle. This is the less androgenic isomer in the Ergomax LMG matrix." -- "LMG/Revolt can easily aggrevate gynecomastia. May be a libido killer. This is another progestin. Reputation: A bulking compound through and through. Users can expect great recovery, and wet gains."

IMO too much estrogen is a bad thing and causes a DECREASE in muscle. Estrogen is only good for a little bit of cell volumization and IGF-1. So a little bit is a good thing. After a little bit, all that happens is you get fat and bitchy. In my opinion of course :P.
 
0g1 said:
Nasty Mass is a risky product to take because it causes crazy estrogen levels = gyno. M14-e is much more safer because although m1,4add is a wet compound its balanced out by epi which is dry.

Nasty Mass == Pheraplex + LMG/Revolt -- "Pheraplex is a solid product for bulking. Wet gains. It is a sometimes used to jumpstart an injectable cycle. This is the less androgenic isomer in the Ergomax LMG matrix." -- "LMG/Revolt can easily aggrevate gynecomastia. May be a libido killer. This is another progestin. Reputation: A bulking compound through and through. Users can expect great recovery, and wet gains."

IMO too much estrogen is a bad thing and causes a DECREASE in muscle. Estrogen is only good for a little bit of cell volumization and IGF-1. So a little bit is a good thing. After a little bit, all that happens is you get fat and bitchy. In my opinion of course :P.
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Thanks alot for the info. Im getting ready to order some more ph's for my stash but i looking at Purus Labs collection, i just want to buy all of it! ha how about E Pol. i like the compound mixture.. how does that compare to size gains with M14E?
 
Tomahawk88 said:
Epi 5 weeks at 20/30mg with revolt at 50mg(revolt was pointless)
Xtreme Tren 4 weeks stacked with Winadrol (crazy results, I was keeping up with a body builder friend of mine).
Was dumb and used Decabolen (never again will I do something like that).
Right now a 7 week 50mg Epi pulse. On week 3 loving it.
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You have enough experience to use m14add in my opinion. You will get good results from 1 bottle at 2 a day, but I think you may need 2 bottles to get the best benefit out of the profuct since you have used Epi several times. I am more than willing to help you set up a cycle and everything.
 
redrocket399 said:
Grambo,

i havent really heard much on the Nasty Mass.. how would that compare to the new M14E? bulking over winter and i didnt know which one to get.. what do u recommend for most noticable size gains?

Thanks a lot
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Nasty Mass is Pherplex/Max LMG clone (13-ethyl).... there will be large mass gains there but it will be wet. The mass gains on it may be a bit more than M14-E because of the compounds that are in it. M14-E will keep things a little more dry a lean while still providing some good mass and strength. I think Nasty Mass iwould provide the bigger mass gains though.

Death Head said:
where are the logs on these products?
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I have a promo for M14ADD going on right now and should be starting at the end of the month. Purus is very new sponsor for AM so not a ton of logs on here yet with them but will soon. Understand the hesitation on a "new" company but Purus has been around several years now but has mostly been in stores and is just recently been making the move to marlet more online.

0g1 said:
Nasty Mass is a risky product to take because it causes crazy estrogen levels = gyno. M14-e is much more safer because although m1,4add is a wet compound its balanced out by epi which is dry.

Nasty Mass == Pheraplex + LMG/Revolt -- "Pheraplex is a solid product for bulking. Wet gains. It is a sometimes used to jumpstart an injectable cycle. This is the less androgenic isomer in the Ergomax LMG matrix." -- "LMG/Revolt can easily aggrevate gynecomastia. May be a libido killer. This is another progestin. Reputation: A bulking compound through and through. Users can expect great recovery, and wet gains."

IMO too much estrogen is a bad thing and causes a DECREASE in muscle. Estrogen is only good for a little bit of cell volumization and IGF-1. So a little bit is a good thing. After a little bit, all that happens is you get fat and bitchy. In my opinion of course :P.
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Thanks for the comments on the product. Both of these compounds are usually considered "wet" though neither aromatizes to estrogen since they are progestins. This means that the "wetness" is not form an excess of estrogen. The wetness from Phera has been theorized more from an imbalance in elcetrolytes and some other minerals that effect water retention. M14ADD is actually almost one of the only PHs that aromaratizes. From the majority of reports from 13-ehtyl I have seen libido has not been a problem, though these things can differ from person to person.

Too much estrogen is obviously a bad thing as you mentioned.....so is too little estrogen that we see some some of the designer steroids. Estrogen plays so many roles in the body I don't want to get into them. Much more than cell volumization and IGF-1 (though it certainly plays a role in both) in bodybuilding estrogen has become an enemy we want to rid ourselves of when this is not the case.
 
redrocket399 said:
Thanks alot for the info. Im getting ready to order some more ph's for my stash but i looking at Purus Labs collection, i just want to buy all of it! ha how about E Pol. i like the compound mixture.. how does that compare to size gains with M14E?
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It is really hard to compare size gains since this can depend on so many factors it is crazy (Diet, excercise, amount of cardio, body type...etc). I would say E-pol is going to give most people the most notable visual gains just because it is a Superdrol clone and it will provide quick, big gains.
 
Now I'm not trying to be an ass here, but wouldn't someone be better off with a bottle of epistane and a bottle of M1,4ADD?

Sure, it would cost a little more to buy the two products, but then you'd have twice as much.

I've done two epi cycles and <3 it, and was going to stack it with something else this fall and spring, but was unsure what with.....so now I found this M14-E, and am intrigued!!

Any ideas when the logs will be out?

And how would you say E-pol compares to M-drol? I thought about doing a cycle of that first for strength, then go for size/leaning up a bit in the spring.

Thanks!!
 
Grambo Id love to get a PM from u giving me some ideas on how to run 2 bottles of M14-E. I broke down and got 2 bottles. Lets just say yall got a lot of business from me just now. 2 M14-E and 2 organ shield.
 
Lots of business from this guy, also, Tomahawk.

The m14-e is awesome so far. Couldn't say enough positive things about it.

Purus has already made a huge impact, in my honest opinion.
 
waynaferd said:
Now I'm not trying to be an ass here, but wouldn't someone be better off with a bottle of epistane and a bottle of M1,4ADD?

Sure, it would cost a little more to buy the two products, but then you'd have twice as much.

I've done two epi cycles and <3 it, and was going to stack it with something else this fall and spring, but was unsure what with.....so now I found this M14-E, and am intrigued!!

Any ideas when the logs will be out?

And how would you say E-pol compares to M-drol? I thought about doing a cycle of that first for strength, then go for size/leaning up a bit in the spring.

Thanks!!
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Well right now M14add is 34.40 (~45 normal) and buying them separate from CEL would be 53.90 so saving about 10 bucks and you actually get the same amount of Epi and MORE M14ADD plus it is one pill.

CEL Stack

E-stane = 10mg x 90pills = 900mg of Epi
CEL M14add = 30mg x 60pills = 1,800mg methyl-1,4

M14-E

Epithio - 15mg x 60pills = 900mg
M14ADD - 45mg x 60pills = 2,700mg

So.....M14-E FTW :D

Logs on AM will start at the end of the month and there should be some going on around some of the other forums, it is still really new so not tons out yet.

E-Pol is 15mg/30mg so it would be "better" than Mdrol/SD clones since it contains a little more SD and tren compound together. Tren has some great properties and would be great for a nice bulker while staying lean.


Tomahawk88 said:
Grambo Id love to get a PM from u giving me some ideas on how to run 2 bottles of M14-E. I broke down and got 2 bottles. Lets just say yall got a lot of business from me just now. 2 M14-E and 2 organ shield.
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Sure I can PM you. Basically though 2 pills a day for a 4-6 week cycle would give you some great gains.
 
Sure I can PM you. Basically though 2 pills a day for a 4-6 week cycle would give you some great gains.[/QUOTE]

I am tempted to try

2 weeks at 2 caps a day
then 4 weeks at 3 caps a day
 
Tomahawk88 said:
Epi 5 weeks at 20/30mg with revolt at 50mg(revolt was pointless)
Xtreme Tren 4 weeks stacked with Winadrol (crazy results, I was keeping up with a body builder friend of mine).
Was dumb and used Decabolen (never again will I do something like that).
Right now a 7 week 50mg Epi pulse. On week 3 loving it.
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Lol yes I did just quote myself.

Depending on where I am at weight wise I might do a recomp for my next cycle which would probably mean a "tren" product. But if I am really lean I would do a bulk which would be M14-E. It really depends on my coaching to wrestling ratio.
 
Grambo said:
Id rather you did a solo Halovar cycle first. I prefer people to stack things after running them solo so they now how they react to particular compounds. You wont be disappointed in a Halovar run though. If you want to run a longer cycle (6 weeks or so) Halovar can be run solo that long.
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I am on my second week on my Halovar cycle. If i ran 6 weeks or so would Recycle be plenty for PCT? or should i look into stacking with another. Also I'm sure i know the answer to this next question, but could i do 2 weeks of Halovar solo then run M-14e for 4 weeks solo??
 
Tomahawk88 said:
Lol yes I did just quote myself.

Depending on where I am at weight wise I might do a recomp for my next cycle which would probably mean a "tren" product. But if I am really lean I would do a bulk which would be M14-E. It really depends on my coaching to wrestling ratio.
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Lol sorry being lazy :)

Well then you could do like you said 2/2/3/3/3 or some combination thereof. I felt 4-chloro rocked as a recomping agent personally, never tried a 3,4-estra product though.

clsosa said:
I am on my second week on my Halovar cycle. If i ran 6 weeks or so would Recycle be plenty for PCT? or should i look into stacking with another. Also I'm sure i know the answer to this next question, but could i do 2 weeks of Halovar solo then run M-14e for 4 weeks solo??
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What are you running it at? If you do 50mg for 6 weeks you would prob be Ok with just Recycle but with longer cycles may lean more toward grabbing a SERM.

Do you mean like back to back? 2 weeks of Halovar is nothing, it needs a min 4 weeks.
 
Grambo said:
What are you running it at? If you do 50mg for 6 weeks you would prob be Ok with just Recycle but with longer cycles may lean more toward grabbing a SERM.

Do you mean like back to back? 2 weeks of Halovar is nothing, it needs a min 4 weeks.
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I am running 50 mg a day and I do have Recycle on hand.

And i do mean running Halovar and M-14e back to back. I was really wanting to run M14e but then decided to run it like the label said but was advised not too. Since i did start on Halovar i was hoping to run it for just 2 weeks then continue with M14e for 4 full weeks. Running Halovar for 6 weeks would mean buying another bottle, using only half and putting up the rest along with M14e for probably another cycle, which is no problem I just want to do the right thing.
 
Grambo said:
Lol sorry being lazy :)

Well then you could do like you said 2/2/3/3/3 or some combination thereof. I felt 4-chloro rocked as a recomping agent personally, never tried a 3,4-estra product though.


Its cool. I am sure u have plenty of people asking u questions and it doesn't help I dont have an avatar.

Ya because I bought 2 bottles and I wouldnt want to run it longer than 6 weeks. Plus I shouldnt buy anymore anytime soon. I am LOCKED N' LOADED! I have actually never tried a 4-chloro product but I picked up 3 bottles of Performance Designs. So I am thinking maybe a 7 weeker.

This is just off the top of the dome. 75/75/75/75/100/100/125 then another day of 125.

3,4-estra is great if u r not prone to gyno. It was def my most productive cycle. It caused some heads to turn that is for sure. I was eating like crazy and gains were lean. My workouts were retarded. Idk how I kept up with my friend naturally looking back.
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I just finished a cycle of havoc at 40mg every day and even though my strength and recovery were noticeably up, I did put on some fat and I think hold a little water so I feel that havoc was wet for me.....so when I get my m14, do you guys think it would be very wet for me?
 
Keeping me busy guys :)

clsosa said:
I am running 50 mg a day and I do have Recycle on hand.

And i do mean running Halovar and M-14e back to back. I was really wanting to run M14e but then decided to run it like the label said but was advised not too. Since i did start on Halovar i was hoping to run it for just 2 weeks then continue with M14e for 4 full weeks. Running Halovar for 6 weeks would mean buying another bottle, using only half and putting up the rest along with M14e for probably another cycle, which is no problem I just want to do the right thing.
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I would finish off a cycle of Halovar 4-6 weeks, then take time off and do a M14-E cycle. You could up the halovar dose if you wanted to as well.

Tomahawk88 said:
Grambo said:
Lol sorry being lazy :)

Well then you could do like you said 2/2/3/3/3 or some combination thereof. I felt 4-chloro rocked as a recomping agent personally, never tried a 3,4-estra product though.


Its cool. I am sure u have plenty of people asking u questions and it doesn't help I dont have an avatar.

Ya because I bought 2 bottles and I wouldnt want to run it longer than 6 weeks. Plus I shouldnt buy anymore anytime soon. I am LOCKED N' LOADED! I have actually never tried a 4-chloro product but I picked up 3 bottles of Performance Designs. So I am thinking maybe a 7 weeker.

This is just off the top of the dome. 75/75/75/75/100/100/125 then another day of 125.

3,4-estra is great if u r not prone to gyno. It was def my most productive cycle. It caused some heads to turn that is for sure. I was eating like crazy and gains were lean. My workouts were retarded. Idk how I kept up with my friend naturally looking back.
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If you have no problem with higher dosages you might just start out at 100mg and stick with that the whole cycle (This is what I did with a few days at 75mg when BP/Pumps got a little too much one week). It is the closest thing to high dosed Anavar that I have ever felt legally. You can see my Before/After pics at P H F

Ya I hear some good things about the 3,4-Estra products for body comp and muscle building. I guess I just haven't gone for it yet.....not to mention hard to go to "Tren" when you have don Tren ;)

darkshadow said:
I just finished a cycle of havoc at 40mg every day and even though my strength and recovery were noticeably up, I did put on some fat and I think hold a little water so I feel that havoc was wet for me.....so when I get my m14, do you guys think it would be very wet for me?
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What was your diet like? An all out bulk I would think?

This would be more of the reason for fat gain than the product. Havoc should be very dry and haven't heard too many people say it was wet for them.

M14add aromatizes so it can be wet but with Epistane stakced with it there should be little actual "wetness" but still enough estrogen to provide some great results. This things can be individualized of course.
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lol....I have another bottle of havoc so if I ran the m14 like the bottle says and I added just 1 10mg havoc a day to that, what kind of gains should I expect in 4 weeks and how would the m14 effect my libido?
 
RE: Importing this to Australia.
**** man, my 2 bottles of e-pol and 1 m14e got seized. I ordered this with FedEx, but their own customs never really checks it. They never open the box. Sometimes the Australian customs will check the FedEx orders before FedEx gets it, and that's when the box gets opened and they do a standard check. That's when you get unlucky ... and possibly your name and address flagged. So unhappy.

I bought it before the sale too ... what a waste.
 
darkshadow said:
lol....I have another bottle of havoc so if I ran the m14 like the bottle says and I added just 1 10mg havoc a day to that, what kind of gains should I expect in 4 weeks and how would the m14 effect my libido?
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You could add some extra Havoc if you really wanted to. Probably would do it with 2 pills M14-E and then add extra Havoc which would leave you with 40mg of epithio.

Gains are to subjective to give you an idea, depends on too many factors. You will gain some good mass and strength though. Libido should be good to go.


0g1 said:
RE: Importing this to Australia.
**** man, my 2 bottles of e-pol and 1 m14e got seized. I ordered this with FedEx, but their own customs never really checks it. They never open the box. Sometimes the Australian customs will check the FedEx orders before FedEx gets it, and that's when the box gets opened and they do a standard check. That's when you get unlucky ... and possibly your name and address flagged. So unhappy.

I bought it before the sale too ... what a waste.
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Sorry OG......always a possibility :(
 
Have you heard of paper based anabolics (instead of pills)? I guess it wouldn't make a difference unless nutraplanet started sent it on regular mail ... which they probably would. Just a thought. I can't find many websites selling this stuff and hardly any reviews.
 
0g1 said:
Have you heard of paper based anabolics (instead of pills)? I guess it wouldn't make a difference unless nutraplanet started sent it on regular mail ... which they probably would. Just a thought. I can't find many websites selling this stuff and hardly any reviews.
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Yes I have heard of them..... knew more about them back in the day. That is real AAS stuff though not supplements as you obviously know. It's illegal and only made by underground labs.
 
So I guess Purus Labs wont be making it any time soon? I thought it was just a different way of taking oral pills. Can't you make a version of E-pol and m14-e on paper so people can import this?
 
It's used by steroid labs to get around customs. Purus will not be getting into that ;)

Cool idea but costly and the return investment isn't there. I like your ingenuity.....
 
Ahh, no worries, I understand. Ive heard some people in Australia getting these paper steroids and you can even get PCT paper too. Seems quite expensive at about $150 but I guess it works .... Heck, I wasted over $120 trying to get E-Pol and M14-e.
 
Ok, I got another question/concern I guess. Or two....

Would any of these stress the liver more or give worse side effects ( BP or cholesterol or what-not) than say a straight epistane or superdrol clone cycle?

And, on both 5 weekers and 50mg cycles of epi I did I felt I coulda skipped the nolva in PCT because I had virtually no sides except back pumps and lethargy.....how smart would that be to do with M-14? No doubt "have some on hand" would be ideal....

Just wondering how the negative side to these orals compares!!

Thanks!!
 
waynaferd said:
Ok, I got another question/concern I guess. Or two....

Would any of these stress the liver more or give worse side effects ( BP or cholesterol or what-not) than say a straight epistane or superdrol clone cycle?

And, on both 5 weekers and 50mg cycles of epi I did I felt I coulda skipped the nolva in PCT because I had virtually no sides except back pumps and lethargy.....how smart would that be to do with M-14? No doubt "have some on hand" would be ideal....

Just wondering how the negative side to these orals compares!!

Thanks!!
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Just because you didn't feel it, that doesn't mean you didn't have any sides.

PCT is such a user-specific topic because it really comes down to what you are comfortable with. I have never understood the idea of "I'll have it on hand just in case". It's not terribly expensive, and if you have it in your posession, why not use it and be safe.

Just imagine how much you would be kicking yourself in the ass after having successful cycles in the past using Nolva and then having major issues in PCT the one time you decide to not use it.
 
Agree completely with the above. If you "have it on hand" use it :) Feeling is never the best way to go in terms of deciding how suppressed/shut down you are.

As far as lipids/liver/BP and all that...... it is also highly variable but I would say you are going ot have slightly more liver stress than epistane solo but I would guesstimate that sides would be less than a superdrol run. Though some don't have the usual problems there either.

I know those are sucky answers in a way but the best we can really do is intelligently theorize how you will react to such products. Peoples bodies and metabolisms are very individual.
 
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