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NEW PRODUCT!! FOLLIDRONE FAQ

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Johnold said:
I DID however today in fact find a rather interesting article on Epicatechin.

Seems either brundel has literally changed the supplement industry game with Epi or its something that has been known for a while.




How could have the supplement industry looked passed this in the past?


Should have taken it more seriously. Now brundel did and conquered it all.
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Brundel certainly went out on limb with this to find the product that will change up the industry, but it has been noted why this hasn't been done. The cost is very high and there is little profit, and the sourcing is very difficult. I doubt you'll see many companies putting as much (-)-epi in their products even if they can source as quality as BLR.

The same can be said about Viron. Why hasn't anyone put out a product like this? It is because of how he can source quality ingredients and pass it along at consumer pricing. TA is expensive and companies take advantage of passing this along by charging $75+ for the same or lesser quality as what is in Viron.

BLR is on another level.
 
kisaj said:
Brundel certainly went out on limb with this to find the product that will change up the industry, but it has been noted why this hasn't been done. The cost is very high and there is little profit, and the sourcing is very difficult. I doubt you'll see many companies putting as much (-)-epi in their products even if they can source as quality as BLR. The same can be said about Viron. Why hasn't anyone put out a product like this? It is because of how he can source quality ingredients and pass it along at consumer pricing. TA is expensive and companies take advantage of passing this along by charging $75+ for the same or lesser quality as what is in Viron. BLR is on another level.
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Would viron do me anygood if im 21 years old!?!
 
Touey said:
I can't remember where I read it, one of these threads, that your supplier of raws for this is a good friend of yours and noone will be able to "or have a hard time" getting the quality (-)-epi you are?
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Yes this is true.
I made some inquiries last night.
Looked into pricing all over as suppliers are popping up. BEst price per KG I got for 20kg is 3050$ per 1kg. So 61000$ for 20kg.
35000 for 10kg.
15250 for 5. This is a 20kg price per kg so for just 1-5 its alot more.

Now.....the new guys said it costs 10$ to increase the epi amount in the product 100mg. This is retail increase.
At the current price this is impossible unless they are using an inferior product.
Who knows whats in it....its not whats in ours though.
 
Johnold said:
I DID however today in fact find a rather interesting article on Epicatechin.

Seems either brundel has literally changed the supplement industry game with Epi or its something that has been known for a while.




How could have the supplement industry looked passed this in the past?


Should have taken it more seriously. Now brundel did and conquered it all.
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THere are alot of great articles regarding epicatechin.
Lots of decent studies as well.
I worked VERY hard to be the first to release to the industry. If people didnt know who we were before.....after this they will.

Im oos on pretty much everything currently and we are in double time production. So...200% of where we were a month ago.
Id mark that as a success.
 
brundel said:
THere are alot of great articles regarding epicatechin.
Lots of decent studies as well.
I worked VERY hard to be the first to release to the industry. If people didnt know who we were before.....after this they will.

Im oos on pretty much everything currently and we are in double time production. So...200% of where we were a month ago.
Id mark that as a success.
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I love it. The more responses about this product the more light is shined on the company. So in a way...people hateing on your product via this thread is probably making more people want to try it including myself.

Keep driving up the sales people :)

Seriouslly.



To my question....is there any downside to inhibition or a decrease of myosatin? I wonder....Over say..5 years.
I know the "research" kind has a...Interesting effect if you don't take something to help build connective tissue.

Different scenario though. Ask Ronnie Coleman how his back is doing.
 
Battossi said:
I love it. The more responses about this product the more light is shined on the company. So in a way...people hateing on your product via this thread is probably making more people want to try it including myself.

Keep driving up the sales people :)

Seriouslly.



To my question....is there any downside to inhibition or a decrease of myosatin? I wonder....Over say..5 years.
I know the "research" kind has a...Interesting effect if you don't take something to help build connective tissue.

Different scenario though. Ask Ronnie Coleman how his back is doing.
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The research done into myostatin and tendons was all done on genetically altered animals.
It is unclear if lowering it later in life has this effect as well. Currently there is no reason to believe so.

Look at it like this.
it would be like comparing someone who was genetically altered before birth to not have balls or make testosterone.
And then comparing him to someone who had test levels suppressed for a few months.
Its not even a comparison.
The first is basically a eunuch, closer to a woman than a man with 0 sexual function.
The other is one of us during PCT. lol.

I dont think we need to be concerned.

Also Strong supps has 100 units of FD for pre sale. Waiting for a guaranteed bottle is better than waiting and missing the 10 min window of sales opp.
 
Damn Brundel. You might need some more reps. Lol. I always see questions asked repeatedly and your sentences are long. Lol.
 
Me and a buddy at work put in for an order of Follidrone on strong supplements. Both pre ordered 2 bottles. I've been telling him about Follidrone. I guess enough for him to buy 2 bottles like i did.

So ill wait for the confirmation of shipping.



I'm digging Strong Supplements for having a pre order date. Cause that's the closest answer I have to when it will be available. I'm thankful for them doing that.
 
I know these FAQ pages get a lot of the same questions every day and I hate to be that guy but have we come to the conclusion that it's best to take 2 about 30min before lifting?

I've had an unopened bottle sitting on my desk for a week now.. Was planning on saving it for after pct. But I'm just under 2 weeks into pct and I'm starting to feel pretty lethargic and my last 2 workouts I felt kinda "meh" the whole time. So I figured I might as well bust out the Follidrone!! Haha.

The bottle says space out doses by 3 hrs But I thought I remember people saying it was best to take 2 PWO.

Thanks bros, and sorry for asking what's probably been answered a million times in here.
 
K561r said:
I know these FAQ pages get a lot f the same questions every day and I hate to be that guy but have we come to the conclusion that it's best to take 2 about 30min before lifting? I've had an unopened bottle sitting on my desk for a week now.. Was planning on saving it for after pct. But I'm just under 2 weeks into pct and I'm starting to feel pretty lethargic and my last 2 workouts I felt kinda "meh" the whole time. So I figured I might as well bust out the Follidrone!! Haha. The bottle says space out doses by 3 hrs But I thought I remember people saying it was best to take 2 PWO. Thanks bros, and sorry for asking what's probably been answered a million times in here.
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Yes. 2 capsules about a half hour or so before your workout. Beating off 15 minutes before consumption aids absorption as well.
 
Yeah. I believe when I start follidrone that I'll absolutely be able to give 100% honest and clear feedback since it's literally all I'll be using for body comp changes. Other than MAN Sports Game Day PreW.

Just those 2 supplements. So far all I've been on is Game Day. That and food. That is it. So to add Follidrone, that's gonna be a treat. Whereas most people are stacking 100 million things together, I'll just be rockin GD & Follidrone.
 
Does (-)-Epicatechin have any positive effects on Cortisol?

Cause I know that pure Cacao consumption has been reported to keep levels in check.
 
Johnold said:
Yeah. I believe when I start follidrone that I'll absolutely be able to give 100% honest and clear feedback since it's literally all I'll be using for body comp changes. Other than MAN Sports Game Day PreW.

Just those 2 supplements. So far all I've been on is Game Day. That and food. That is it. So to add Follidrone, that's gonna be a treat. Whereas most people are stacking 100 million things together, I'll just be rockin GD & Follidrone.
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That is the way to go. The only supplements I take performance related are citrulline and potassium nitrate. For my Folli run, I was only taking citrulline and Viron. I like to keep it simple and not fill myself with supplements nowadays.
 
kisaj said:
That is the way to go. The only supplements I take performance related are citrulline and potassium nitrate. For my Folli run, I was only taking citrulline and Viron. I like to keep it simple and not fill myself with supplements nowadays.
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Yeah and that's even more awesome to read cause weren't you the first to post bloods?
 
Wow...didn't take long for other companies to try to copy Follidrone. Funny how they all put less epi and include other crap to try to make it better than Folli yet Folli gets results on it's own.
 
Johnold said:
Does (-)-Epicatechin have any positive effects on Cortisol?

Cause I know that pure Cacao consumption has been reported to keep levels in check.
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[h=1]The cocoa flavanol (-)-epicatechin protects the cortisol response.[/h]Invalid Link Removed[SUP]1[/SUP], Invalid Link Removed[SUP]2[/SUP], Invalid Link Removed[SUP]2[/SUP], Invalid Link Removed[SUP]2[/SUP].
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[h=3]Abstract[/h]Various health benefits of the cocoa flavanol (-)-epicatechin (EC) have been attributed to its antioxidant and anti-inflammatory potency. In the present study we investigated whether EC is able to prevent deterioration of the anti-inflammatory effect of the glucocorticoid (GC) cortisol in the presence of oxidative stress. It was found that cortisol reduces inflammation in differentiated monocytes. Oxidative stress extinguishes the anti-inflammatory effect of cortisol, leading to cortisol resistance. EC reduces intracellular oxidative stress as well as the development of cortisol resistance. This further deciphers the enigmatic mechanism of EC by which it exerts its anti-inflammatory and antioxidant action. The observed effect of the cocoa flavanol EC will especially be of relevance in pathophysiological conditions with increased oxidative stress and consequential GC resistance and provides a fundament for the rational use of dietary antioxidants.
 
z28spd said:
  • Contains 150mg per serving of pure (-)-epicatechin and is NOT in a deceiving proprietary blend!
hrmm, at half the price...me wonders
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There is 0 chance its pure (-)-epicatechin.
There is an extremely high % chance that its a low grade extract. You can go and find (-)-epicatechin for sale everywhere now....just as of the last couple weeks lol.
The problem is its VERY hard to extract and alot of the prices are very low meaning.....its not the proper ingredient.
Doesnt matter if the supplier says pure or 98%.


I know one way to find out ;)
 
I read a while ago it is or can be used to help Crohn's disease, I am just curious because I have it and I am on it now. Would is change my results?
 
Yeah epi is popping up everywhere.

And I found out how epi is extracted from cacao. Brundel is right. It's quit the science.

Separating the flavanol from cacao isn't easy.

True pure quality (-)-Epi is expensive on the principle alone on the account that it's time consuming.

Chemical seperations, special lighting...

I was like, yeab.thats very time consuming.
 
Why does that new Epi product MASSterone description seem to be taking shots at Brundel and Follidrone?

All I'm reading is "we purposely created this cause we are bootyhurt that we didn't think of this and are trying to call out BLR and the creator"

If you ask me this just goes to show how fast some random supplement company can get ingredients together and put something together and out to the masses JUST for the sake of trying to get one up on another company or look cool or call somebody else out.
 
The word is out and everyone knows this is hottest thing on the market, so it is natural to want to take shots. The best part is that this grew through old school word of mouth because it does everything it claims. There is no denying at this point and that is naturally going to bother companies and individuals that weren't here first and seeing the success that is coming from delivering a product that has as close to 100% success rate as you will get. Plus, even now that the secret is out on Epi, people still aren't going to be able to replicate because of sourcing and they'll fall back on blends to make up for it. Or just continue to talk smack.
 
Yeah. If people were paying attention back almost 10 years ago, they'd Remember articles and TV segments talking about chocolate or flavanols and weight lifting, muscles and fitness. I bet everyone disregarded those claims too.

It's like reading an article on how something in gummie bears can be extracted to build muscle in no time. Naturally you're gonna turn your head. But now it's crazy.
 
Brundel has created a monster. GOOD JOB MAN!

This is going to be REALLY good for the supplement industry.

People that try to cash in are always going to kick themselves in the ass for not thinking of or coming up with ideas like this.
 
Personally I haven't tried folli yet but I surely won't be using massterone. The childish shot at brundel is unnecessary. Also there's a reason it's half the price.
 
Stick with the OG when you know the OG works. Plus Brundel is one of the only formulator who's active about the products he sells and the only one who provides bloodwork, lab results, etc for his products.
 
I'd rather wait for Follidrone then buy the half price product thats currently in stock. Just sayin. :)
 
CJNator said:
I read a while ago it is or can be used to help Crohn's disease, I am just curious because I have it and I am on it now. Would is change my results?
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FOllidrone is not intended to treat any disease. Its a dietary supplement.
 
Johnold said:
Why does that new Epi product MASSterone description seem to be taking shots at Brundel and Follidrone?

All I'm reading is "we purposely created this cause we are bootyhurt that we didn't think of this and are trying to call out BLR and the creator"

If you ask me this just goes to show how fast some random supplement company can get ingredients together and put something together and out to the masses JUST for the sake of trying to get one up on another company or look cool or call somebody else out.
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The good news is....the raws are almost certainly inferior.
Well find out ;)
 
Also that company only has that one product.
They also made the mistake of listening to my misdirection and are using green tea for "absorption enhancement" and piperine.
I cant tell you that neither is in our absorption formula ;)
So they didnt even take 1 second to research what would work well.... they just copied us and my suggestions directly.
Also...it costs almost as much as they are charging for a bottle retail just to make a bottle of Follidrone so....it is almost 100% certain not (-)-epicatechin.
Unless its 10% or something. Meaning 15mg.
 
brundel said:
Also that company only has that one product.
They also made the mistake of listening to my misdirection and are using green tea for "absorption enhancement" and piperine.
I cant tell you that neither is in our absorption formula ;)
So they didnt even take 1 second to research what would work well.... they just copied us and my suggestions directly.
Also...it costs almost as much as they are charging for a bottle retail just to make a bottle of Follidrone so....it is almost 100% certain not (-)-epicatechin.
Unless its 10% or something. Meaning 15mg.
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I find it funny that they comment about the proprietary blend.
 
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