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obucksrule

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Awesome site..awesome info.

I know many of this stuff may sound repeated, but I have not seen much info on the cycle I am hoping to get info on right now. I took Kilo Sports' Trenadrol at 90 for 8 weeks, and had some serious gains on that. PCT'd with Inhibit E, and kept a lot of my gains...That cycle ended May 15th, and I have continued lifting, but have not taken ONE supplement period, other than Whey. I have always taken supps (creatine, glutamine, Beta Alanine, daily's, L arginine), but figured I would clean body out, and when I start on something like this, the gains will be explosive.

Anyway, I am 32, new to this site. I am 6' tall, 215 or so lbs with little bit of weight on the lower abs. Been lifting since high school, and it is my drug of choice.

I got CEL's E Stane, and Proven's P-Tren. I was planning on doing the Estane at 30/30/30/30, and P-Tren at 60-60-60-60-60-60. I wanted to use 'better' PCT though, and always here about Nolva. I am sure I can get my hands on some of that, but was wondering about what you guys think for doing this as a second cycle. I also have Proven's P-Liver, was going to run that the whole time, but was wondering about getting some Hawthorne or anything else that would help. Main thing is, I want to be SAFE. As safe as I can. I will be taking creating, glutamine, beta alanine, multi's and joint support, and possibly some Tribulus while on this cycle also.

Let me know what you guys think if you could, would very much appreciate it. You all seem to know your stuff!!!
 
obucksrule said:
Awesome site..awesome info.


I got CEL's E Stane, and Proven's P-Tren. I was planning on doing the Estane at 30/30/30/30, and P-Tren at 60-60-60-60-60-60. I wanted to use 'better' PCT though, and always here about Nolva. I am sure I can get my hands on some of that, but was wondering about what you guys think for doing this as a second cycle. I also have Proven's P-Liver, was going to run that the whole time, but was wondering about getting some Hawthorne or anything else that would help. Main thing is, I want to be SAFE. As safe as I can. I will be taking creating, glutamine, beta alanine, multi's and joint support, and possibly some Tribulus while on this cycle also.
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Essentially your talking about what is the "Spawn stack" Since spawn made it so popular. Through that Tren usually reaches up into the 90's and that Epi may touch the 40's. Its a good stack people make good gains off it.

IF you want to be safe make sure you get the best PCT.

SERM's are what you are hearing about when it comes to Nolva. I would look into Researching on google for Chemicals. Nolva/Clomid is a sealed deal PCT IMO.

People are back and forth and up in the air about tren being progestional. IMO take some P-5-P to be safe, but I wouldnt worry as far as caber goes unless something happens. If you find a good place to get SERM's your wait is only a couple days anyways...

Epi is methylated, Tren is not. Do you drink any? Cycle support from AI, or the equivalent from CEL(not sure its name) would do you some good! As well as a better Test Booster for PCT.

There will be a few ideas tossed around here once people get in.

BTW are you an Ohio State Buckeye's fan?
 
That is good stuff my man, and that was the one thing I left out was the drinking. I really know that you should not drink on this stuff...Recipe for disaster for liver I would think. I do drink, especially now that it's football season. However, should it be real detrimental, I will just stop all together. Will be little tough, being lots of my friends do, but as I said, I want to be SAFE.

And yes, I may be paying for it, after yesterdays game, but I am a very big Ohio State fan. I have twin daughters and named one of them Scarlett fo the Scarlet and grey...Probably borderling crazy when it comes to them. From Akron,OH originally..
 
Zero V said:
Essentially your talking about what is the "Spawn stack" Since spawn made it so popular. Through that Tren usually reaches up into the 90's and that Epi may touch the 40's. Its a good stack people make good gains off it.
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i'll make a slight correction here. tren is usually 90mg (3 caps of spawn) but the epi usually ends up hashing out to 24mg - 8mg per cap.

i digress. welcome to AM :)

for tren, make sure you research the sides (high blood pressure, aggravating existing gyno, etc), and how to combat them (its quite easy). epi is a bit milder. you could also search for spawn logs and read those. and yes, hawthorn berries help control blood pressure, but also take 2 weeks to build up in your system - that means you need to start dosing it before your cycle starts. anyways, read up on the logs, and i'm sure you'll get all the info you need.

while you could drink on cycle, its really frowned upon. for something mild like epi, you may be fine - liver wise, but dehydration will become a serious issue - tren will kick up your internal temperature as it is, which will require more water intake.
 
suncloud said:
i'll make a slight correction here. tren is usually 90mg (3 caps of spawn) but the epi usually ends up hashing out to 24mg - 8mg per cap.
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True! sorry, I was referring to what you would do running them separately ^.^ Well what I would do. I am unsure of tren in my future, well...the PH tren :D
 
OK, I got everything I need (I believe), have been researching a TON, and am ready to go on Monday if everything looks ok to you guys, please let me know what you think. And thank you so much for all the info, best site, bar none!

6-6:30am-8-10 Egg whites, carbs (oatmeal, bread) Supps: Take Ginseng,Multi, Arginine, 4 pills Cyc. Support, 1 TREN (30), 1 ESTANE(10)
8:30-Protein Bar
10:15- Whey Protein Shake, handful almonds
12:15-Chicken or steak and rice, greens
2:30-Whey Protein shake, 1 ESTANE (10)
3:45-Tuna sandwich on wheat
5:00 (pre-wo)-Whey Protein shake, creatine, glutamine, arginine, beta alanine, oatmeal
6:30 (post wo)-Whey Protein shake, creatine, glutamine, beta alanine, fast carbs (gatorade, dextrose)
7:30-8-Fish, rice, green beans/broccoli , 4 pills cycle support
10:30-Tren (30) and Estane (10), casein protein shake
*** Going to PCT with Kilo’s Clomid, and Nolva***

Also, when to start PCT? Immediately after the 6th week or? And run for 4 weeks approx?

Thanks fellas
 
thats a very well put together diet I wish I could maintain a diet like that. You even have your heathy fats and everything. Whats your total calories and protein come out to?
 
you will have a hangover like the devil twisted your brain if you drink on a methyl bro, don't ask me how i know, its also amazingly bad for you so best to just not, its only a few weeks. clomid for PCT is better imo. get some blood tests too and at least get a blood pressure monitor. good luck, and be safe!
 
Thanks Chess/neverstop....I am not really a 'calorie counter', that is one thing I have not done much of. I am right around 300g of protein, try to keep carbs at a minimum, but will be jacking them up while on this, and over the winter. I appreciate the feedback, and think I will just quit drinking completely for this
 
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