New Formulas of ABE/Erase Pro better or worse?

tyrub42 said:
Well, it's basically the same ingredient as the old ABE so if you really miss it, you can just add 1 pill per day to the new ABE and problem = solved :) . I loved old ABE; haven't tried the new one. If I end up shedding less fat without the cort control, I will just add 1 Reduce XT for my next bottle. I liked the old formula, but have been hearing great things about the new one. One buddy of mine here said the new one just made him fat, but he could just be blaming result of a bad diet on the ABE, so I will have to try and see for myself.
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Lol the new one is actually even better for fat loss. In fact, if any supplement makes you fat outside of mass gainers/protein shakes, there's something wrong with your diet. No supplement ingredient I know of has the capacity to actually create fat gain
 
True.

If you're eating very badly and using ABE and it's helping to shuttle those nutrients then man that's speedy fat. It's all diet.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Lol the new one is actually even better for fat loss. In fact, if any supplement makes you fat outside of mass gainers/protein shakes, there's something wrong with your diet. No supplement ingredient I know of has the capacity to actually create fat gain
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Truth. I thought at one point that I was getting fat off supplements...in retrospect, I think I had elevated cortisol or another fat-storing, sleep-disrupting hormone from training too much and drinking 1-2 drinks every evening before bed. The sh**ty sleep made the problem worse and I put on 10lbs even though my diet was great. I took a break, stopped the drinks, and started relora/ashwagandha and everything was back to normal within a few weeks.

That said, some supplements do seem to stop me from putting fat on. Old ABE did that (haven't tried new), and I am on ArA solo right now and am surprised how lean I am staying despite a less-than-perfect diet. Nothing compares to original Erase Pro for me, though (again, haven't tried the new one, so maybe it's the same or better). I was pigging out half the time on that and just couldn't stop leaning out. It turned me into a mesomorph for 30 days. It was amazing. One of these days, I will have to try the new version to compare. I know you put a lot of hard work into the R and D.
 
I would love to bring this thread back to life with some follow ups or opinions on the new formulas. Anyone have some new feedback to share?
 
tyrub42 said:
Truth. I thought at one point that I was getting fat off supplements...in retrospect, I think I had elevated cortisol or another fat-storing, sleep-disrupting hormone from training too much and drinking 1-2 drinks every evening before bed. The sh**ty sleep made the problem worse and I put on 10lbs even though my diet was great. I took a break, stopped the drinks, and started relora/ashwagandha and everything was back to normal within a few weeks.

That said, some supplements do seem to stop me from putting fat on. Old ABE did that (haven't tried new), and I am on ArA solo right now and am surprised how lean I am staying despite a less-than-perfect diet. Nothing compares to original Erase Pro for me, though (again, haven't tried the new one, so maybe it's the same or better). I was pigging out half the time on that and just couldn't stop leaning out. It turned me into a mesomorph for 30 days. It was amazing. One of these days, I will have to try the new version to compare. I know you put a lot of hard work into the R and D.
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Well, I've tried both.

I'm not gonna speak bad because I respect PES and because they have to sell products.

I don't know where they went anymore. I gave up.

The new stuff isn't bad. But definitely NOT their holy grail old stuff.
 
Johnold said:
Well, I've tried both.

I'm not gonna speak bad because I respect PES and because they have to sell products.

I don't know where they went anymore. I gave up.

The new stuff isn't bad. But definitely NOT their holy grail old stuff.
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Are you referring to ABE or Erase Pro?
 
tyrub42 said:
Are you referring to ABE or Erase Pro?
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Sighs.... : \ both. The new ABE wouldn't be bad if they kept the Cort control in.

And the new Erase Pro I suppose isn't too bad but nearly everything about it I wish to prefer the old Arimistane version instead.

You know when you can start seeing results with the old Erase & Erase Pro within a week? Not the case with the new one. If anything I didn't notice little to much.

I hope the reps don't hate me for this but I truly believe PES lost their game and touch. Their badassness. BUT, that's MY opinion. Don't wanna sway anyone from buying. Find out for yourself.
 
OG EP is an awesome product - I have yet to try the new one though.

Could be wrong, but I believe I remember Coop mentioned in the writeup for the new EP, that effects would take a few weeks to fully show..?

How long of a cycle did you do?
 
On ABE ..... The only ingredient I recognize to work is the 95% forskolin ....... What's the evidence or research on the other ingredients
 
I only did the first 4 weeks with erase pro and abe.

I figured I would stop there because I didn't want to keep buying something that didn't remind me of the old stuff. And I had other interests and other supplement companies and other products.
 
well. the new Erase Pro in my opinion gives dam good vascularity, veins showing everywhere, if your leaner im guessing the better it will be. that said Armistane is far better for keeping that water weight away from stress, and it will create this insane dry look not even close to the new one. Reduce XT or Armistane or Old AnaBeta Elite are simply amazing for leaning down.

but the downside of them, is that your strength will take a nose dive, which is not something i noticed on new Erase Pro. and my strength kept increasing using it while cutting to, im currently back on it now to i find it takes at least 2-4 bottles per run to see that veiny dry look finally show up, compared to just seeing the old one take effect after a few days use. if you can't find the old one, i would just add Reduce XT on a lower dose along new Erase Pro.
 
I've actually been thinking HIGHLY of trying Reduce-XT.

Cort control for ME is probably the pusher on how I got lean 10 months ago with PES Old stuff.

I just wished that SNS made an anabolic like Anabeta or something for strength and muscle fullness etc. Could get something of an old PES-like stack.

I suppose MAYBE the anabolic for them is, X-gels?...shrugs.
 
Lol anabolic, bro just get reduce xt, take it alongside forskolin 95 and your good. other than that, you could try cistamaxx im liking it so far.
 
Auslifter said:
Lol anabolic, bro just get reduce xt, take it alongside forskolin 95 and your good. other than that, you could try cistamaxx im liking it so far.
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Yeah, from the ingredient listing in Reduce, one would think that's all needed...

What does Forsk and reduce help to created together?

I'm on MASS 550 now. Pretty damn good stuff.



What are you getting from Cistamaxx?
 
Auslifter said:
well. the new Erase Pro in my opinion gives dam good vascularity, veins showing everywhere, if your leaner im guessing the better it will be. that said Armistane is far better for keeping that water weight away from stress, and it will create this insane dry look not even close to the new one. Reduce XT or Armistane or Old AnaBeta Elite are simply amazing for leaning down. but the downside of them, is that your strength will take a nose dive, which is not something i noticed on new Erase Pro. and my strength kept increasing using it while cutting to, im currently back on it now to i find it takes at least 2-4 bottles per run to see that veiny dry look finally show up, compared to just seeing the old one take effect after a few days use. if you can't find the old one, i would just add Reduce XT on a lower dose along new Erase Pro.
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We appreciate the feedback Aus. Thank you.
 
Couldn't you just get alphamax or lecheeck (might have misspelled) they contain the mAin ingredient found in the old erase pro formula. For anabeta elite...what's the ingredient that has been removed?
 
You who have tried ABE and ABE new formula, what would you say is the difference and overall expression between them two?
 
Pec.Major said:
You who have tried ABE and ABE new formula, what would you say is the difference and overall expression between them two?
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Found the new version to be just as good as the old version and the new version I had noticed some slight endurance improvements.
 
Johnold said:
Yeah, from the ingredient listing in Reduce, one would think that's all needed...

What does Forsk and reduce help to created together?

I'm on MASS 550 now. Pretty damn good stuff.

What are you getting from Cistamaxx?
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I'm liking it so far. I'm stacking it with amentomax and its giving me increased endurance and gym performance. I sweat like crazy for some reason and I'm starting to notice some glycogen retention but im not sure if it's from amentoflavone or cista or neither idk.
 
My input:

Old Erase: liked it for drying me out, but it made my joints ache which hindered my lifting. Was banned in NZ so it got confiscated a few times at customs.

New Erase: didnt notice much until week two. I used it solo and without altering diet too much, i leaned out quite nicely. No sore joints,gets through customs.

Verdict: Newer is better.

Old ABE: wasnt a fan of the inclusion of cort control. I dont like controlling cort on a "bulk" so I only ran it the once. Loved the inclusion of forskolin though. Hardly ever recommended it based in this.

New ABE: tons better IMO. The magic of anacyclus and forskolin without the cortisol control. Didnt make me hungry but the body comp improvements were good. Vascularity was awesome.

Verdict: newer is better by a lot for me. Simply awesome.

Both new formulas work well in my book. Erase is more subtle than it was and wont dry you out, but these effects are far more sustainable and last longer than the bottle will.
 
Thanks for the feedback Jiigzz. I don't think I was aware you'd ran both new versions, but I knew you didn't like the cortisol control in the old ABE. I definitely think the new formula is better too. ;)
 
bolt10 said:
Thanks for the feedback Jiigzz. I don't think I was aware you'd ran both new versions, but I knew you didn't like the cortisol control in the old ABE. I definitely think the new formula is better too. ;)
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Agreed. Very good points and great feedback jiigzz!
 
1kerry said:
is it true that the new ABE was reformulated to be super stack with ARA?
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Not reformulated for that purpose but there is synergy between them.

ABE + ARA is a deadly recomp stack
 
Jiigzz said:
My input:

Old Erase: liked it for drying me out, but it made my joints ache which hindered my lifting. Was banned in NZ so it got confiscated a few times at customs.

New Erase: didnt notice much until week two. I used it solo and without altering diet too much, i leaned out quite nicely. No sore joints,gets through customs.

Verdict: Newer is better.

Old ABE: wasnt a fan of the inclusion of cort control. I dont like controlling cort on a "bulk" so I only ran it the once. Loved the inclusion of forskolin though. Hardly ever recommended it based in this.

New ABE: tons better IMO. The magic of anacyclus and forskolin without the cortisol control. Didnt make me hungry but the body comp improvements were good. Vascularity was awesome.

Verdict: newer is better by a lot for me. Simply awesome.

Both new formulas work well in my book. Erase is more subtle than it was and wont dry you out, but these effects are far more sustainable and last longer than the bottle will.
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Someone just asked about this on another forum so you are going to be my quote lol. :)
 
pjunior33 said:
So I've heard conflicting reports of which version is better of both AnaBeta Elite and Erase Pro, just ordered the new versions of both, having already taken the "original" versions of both will i be disappointed with these new updated versions??
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Personally, I like the new vesion of Anabeta Elite a little better. I feel it has an added performance/endurance benefit that the old version didnt have. Overall, both vesions are great on a lean bulk. I dont mess with Erase so I cannot comment on that one. I prefer to use a real AI like Formeron.
 
Damn good deal on the erase pro/cistamax stack at nutra. Buy EP get cista free. :)
 
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