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What is smoke burp.....?
New E-pharm product: URSOBOLIC !
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Mission1 said:
truthornothin
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It would appear that when one ingests Ursobolic and happens to belch within 10 - 15 minutes of said ingestion then they belch a cloud of Ursobolic smoke. I've yet to experience this. I am holding out for the smoke fart:head:
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truthornothin said:
That makes me want to try it even more.
Lol@ smokefart haha
ConcreteConny
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:toofunny:
Force of Green
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Smoke fart reps bro!
chedapalooza
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Lmao smoke farts .. I've seen the smoke burps w anabolic pump...
Anyway-
Extremely interested in anything that can help lean me n build simultaneously.. Also im carb sensitive so any product to alleviate carb related weight gain is good.. I try to stay as lean as possible 9 months out of 12... Question:
Can this be stacked with erase or triazole?? is one month worth it?
I would do 8 weeks if erase or tz n add the ursobolic on my last 4 weeks...
Thanks!
Anyway-
Extremely interested in anything that can help lean me n build simultaneously.. Also im carb sensitive so any product to alleviate carb related weight gain is good.. I try to stay as lean as possible 9 months out of 12... Question:
Can this be stacked with erase or triazole?? is one month worth it?
I would do 8 weeks if erase or tz n add the ursobolic on my last 4 weeks...
Thanks!
NuclearLaunch
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I would bump the ursobolic up to 6 weeks, 4 weeks seems like a waste if it doesn't kick in till week 2.
chedapalooza
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NuclearLaunch said:
Yea n it's cheap too so np.. It has anti estrogenic effects though.... Safe to run with erase or triazole? How about eBol? Reps? Thanks
NuclearLaunch
Active member
I can't tell you what it is and isn't safe to run with, assuming it's a natural supp you should be good with whatever you add it too, but I haven't ran it.
miniarnold
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miniarnold
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granted but surely if you are to be experienced in said supps effects you firstly have to use them alone without being used with a coctail of asorted supps, you cant be experienced with a supps effects if you have never used it.
miniarnold
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So i get 4 bottles 480 caps, do i run for 15 per day 32days, or 18per day 26days.
To accuratly test ursobolic i will use on a strict maintenece diet no cardio, and with no other supps, maybe possibly with a natty Tbooster after the first 2-3wks of ursobolic alone.
To accuratly test ursobolic i will use on a strict maintenece diet no cardio, and with no other supps, maybe possibly with a natty Tbooster after the first 2-3wks of ursobolic alone.
mattrag
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Id be concerned though if they dropped like the 4 exotic "standard" supps that ppl run almost in cycle with another array of back up supps, then add in the ONE supp... Id think that they would probably die... But Yea I agree that to TRULY test the effects of a new supp it'd be IDEAL to run it with NOTHING other than food. No vitamins, no protein powders, no nothing. But on this site, most regular users run stacks that are 2-3 supps, plus have a staple stack that includes a preworkout, a postworkout, night time supps, morning supps, an array of extra fatty acids, minerals, vitamins...
To me, if you KNOW what effects you get from each supp you are on now, then I would say anything NEW noticed while on the NEW supp, is valid enough. But then again you only be sure to even consider expecting these results IF you were running EVERYTHING the other tester was on.
Time to sleep... lol
miniarnold
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Hair growth and spots in some guys using,
could this indicate a raise in natty T levels in those users, possibly i think, could be due to the Ai effect although minimal freeing up some T.
could this indicate a raise in natty T levels in those users, possibly i think, could be due to the Ai effect although minimal freeing up some T.
ax1
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It may have nothing to do with hormones, but other stimulatory processes.
rampage jackson
Registered User
Has anyone mentioned Ursolic Acid's Apotosis-Regulating effects? Here is a quick one.
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rampage jackson
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Resolve
The BPS Rep
Wow 35mM glucose? That is so out of physiological relevance. But I was actually talking about the apparent induction of apoptosis that Ursolic Acid has on rapidly dividing cells - it is for this reason that UA has been looked at as a cancer drug.
That could be a problem for certain cell types like endothelium. Again, I'm not trying disparage Ursobolic, I'm just trying to determine the extent of our knowledge on its safety before I shell out for a few bottles.
skull
Active member
Ursolic acid: apple anabolic
The fatty layer on apple peel contains a compound that has an anabolic effect, write researchers from the University of Iowa in Cell Metabolism. It's called ursolic acid, but also goes by the shorter name of malol [structural formula shown below]. In tests on mice, the compound caused their muscles to grow and fat mass to shrink.
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Ursolic acid is also present in basil, blueberries, cranberries, rosemary, oregano, thyme and plums. And while we're on the subject of plums: researchers at the American department of agriculture discovered in 2006 that prunes [dried plums] boost the concentration of IGF-1. Invalid Link Removed They had no explanation for this, but it might be that ursolic acid explains the special effects of prunes.
The researchers from Iowa stumbled upon the anabolic properties of ursolic acid when they were examining cells from muscle tissue that was wasting. They determined which genes in the cells were active during the process of muscular atrophy. Then they searched databases for substances that had precisely the opposite effect. The most promising substance that they found was ursolic acid.
The researchers gave this to fasting mice and observed that the ursolic acid led to a reduction in the processes of muscle atrophy. They then did a second round of experiments, in which the mice were given as much to eat as they wanted. A control group was given ordinary feed and another group was given feed containing 0.27 percent ursolic acid.
The figures immediately below show that a five-week course of malol resulted in growth of the quadriceps and that the mice grew stronger. The activity of the catabolic genes MuRF-1 and Atrogin-1 declined in the muscle cells. In contrast, the activity of the gene for IGF-1 increased, as did the concentration of IGF-1 in the blood. Molecular signalling molecules, like the receptor for IGF-1, Akt and S6K, were switched on.
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The figure above describes the effect on muscle and fat mass of seven weeks of supplementation with increasing doses of ursolic acid.
In the animal studies ursolic acid also reduced the fat cells' emission of leptin, the concentrations of triglycerides and cholesterol, and even the fasting glucose level. All of these are positive effects.
The researchers suspect that ursolic acid's prime target is the IGF-1 receptor. This becomes more sensitive and as a result the IGF-1 that is present in the body works better.
"Given the current lack of therapies for skeletal muscle atrophy, we speculate that ursolic acid might be investigated as a potential therapy for illness- and age-related muscle atrophy", the researchers conclude. "It may be useful as a monotherapy or in combination with other strategies that have been considered, such as myostatin inhibition. A systematic search for ursolic acid derivatives that are more potent and/or efficacious could also be undertaken."
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The fatty layer on apple peel contains a compound that has an anabolic effect, write researchers from the University of Iowa in Cell Metabolism. It's called ursolic acid, but also goes by the shorter name of malol [structural formula shown below]. In tests on mice, the compound caused their muscles to grow and fat mass to shrink.
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Ursolic acid is also present in basil, blueberries, cranberries, rosemary, oregano, thyme and plums. And while we're on the subject of plums: researchers at the American department of agriculture discovered in 2006 that prunes [dried plums] boost the concentration of IGF-1. Invalid Link Removed They had no explanation for this, but it might be that ursolic acid explains the special effects of prunes.
The researchers from Iowa stumbled upon the anabolic properties of ursolic acid when they were examining cells from muscle tissue that was wasting. They determined which genes in the cells were active during the process of muscular atrophy. Then they searched databases for substances that had precisely the opposite effect. The most promising substance that they found was ursolic acid.
The researchers gave this to fasting mice and observed that the ursolic acid led to a reduction in the processes of muscle atrophy. They then did a second round of experiments, in which the mice were given as much to eat as they wanted. A control group was given ordinary feed and another group was given feed containing 0.27 percent ursolic acid.
The figures immediately below show that a five-week course of malol resulted in growth of the quadriceps and that the mice grew stronger. The activity of the catabolic genes MuRF-1 and Atrogin-1 declined in the muscle cells. In contrast, the activity of the gene for IGF-1 increased, as did the concentration of IGF-1 in the blood. Molecular signalling molecules, like the receptor for IGF-1, Akt and S6K, were switched on.
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The figure above describes the effect on muscle and fat mass of seven weeks of supplementation with increasing doses of ursolic acid.
In the animal studies ursolic acid also reduced the fat cells' emission of leptin, the concentrations of triglycerides and cholesterol, and even the fasting glucose level. All of these are positive effects.
The researchers suspect that ursolic acid's prime target is the IGF-1 receptor. This becomes more sensitive and as a result the IGF-1 that is present in the body works better.
"Given the current lack of therapies for skeletal muscle atrophy, we speculate that ursolic acid might be investigated as a potential therapy for illness- and age-related muscle atrophy", the researchers conclude. "It may be useful as a monotherapy or in combination with other strategies that have been considered, such as myostatin inhibition. A systematic search for ursolic acid derivatives that are more potent and/or efficacious could also be undertaken."
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Patrick Arnold
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one can probably handle more weight if they go deep on the leg press. maximize glute and them other musckels. otherwise you are limited by quad. just sayin
Patrick Arnold
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i have had it within one minute
truthornothin
Well-known member
I think I answered this in my log too but it should stack well with almost anything, the anti e effects are severe so you should be good to go
Patrick Arnold
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if u stack with erase or triazole you will die
if u stack with erase or triazole you will not die
dont stack
stack
but dont stack
go ahead and stack
Patrick Arnold
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do not be crazy and stack with ebol. are you freakin nuts? thats how amy winehouse died dude. be safe
Patrick Arnold
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Patrick Arnold
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apoptosis can be good and it can be bad. programmed cell death. in the case of cancer it can be the difference between living and dying
look up any well known phytochemical and apoptosis. i bet you find a ton of articles. hell i just plugged in the terms resveratrol and apoptosis. got 800 hits
Patrick Arnold
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Patrick Arnold
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Wow 35mM glucose? That is so out of physiological relevance. But I was actually talking about the apparent induction of apoptosis that Ursolic Acid has on rapidly dividing cells - it is for this reason that UA has been looked at as a cancer drug.
That could be a problem for certain cell types like endothelium. Again, I'm not trying disparage Ursobolic, I'm just trying to determine the extent of our knowledge on its safety before I shell out for a few bottles.
Use your research skills and look into the toxicity data. U will find its quite adequately studied and verified. Sometimes you can waste your time worrying about minutiae when the actual relevant real world answer is right out there in front of you
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Awesome thanks for the light reading guys. Definitely gonna add some of this to my stash. Reps to all when I get to a computer and off my supersmart phone.
truthornothin
Well-known member
Turns out I've been taking ursolic acid pretty much since birth with no ill effect. My Mom always made us eat the peels on the apple. She said its where all the good stuff was. Damn! Once again Mom was right.
truthornothin
Well-known member
I read through many of the studies on cell apoptosis and mostly they deal with cancerous cells. Far more positive studies than negative on ursolic acid
Resolve
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Well, an answer from the big man himself! It's quite possible I'm overthinking it, it's just what stuck out to me upon a first perusal of the literature. Thanks.
chedapalooza
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Patrick Arnold said:
Lolol what??
Thermolife ebol?
So.. Ursobolic + erase, ebol or tz is NOT a good idea??
All joking aside could u please elaborate a little as to why? Much appreciated!
ax1
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hint: get to know patrick a little.
chedapalooza
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ax1 said:
It's the type a in me! Lol sry.. But for real! Safe or no?
truthornothin
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He's like .....totally yanking your chain dude stack away you'll be fine
chedapalooza
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truthornothin said:
Lol thanks. So next question..
Do yAll think it would be best, for a recomp /lean bulk to use with ebol or erase or triazole... I run a lot, eatow carb high fat/protein, lift 4 days/week, hVe naturally high estro and Cort levels...
GuyverX
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Just been on the Ursobolic one week at 18 caps a day.
Dropped ALL my other supplements except for my multivitamin/calcium. Even stopped my nootropics (A-Gpc/DHA/P-Serine/Lion's Mane)
Stopped all my exercise and even rode the elevator at work on all occasions. Plus my job is sedentary and we all know how that works.
Ate junk food/real food every single day. One whole three meat Red Baron Thin Crust, 20 ounce minute maid lemonade, 2 1 buck bags of lays Sour cream and onion, and the king size Reese's cups in the evening.
The morning breakfast, snacks, and lunch I had my usual beans with peppers , chicken breasts, oatmeal and cup of walnuts and raisins.
Do not keep a scale in the house and not yet time for my periodic bodyfat check.
Got less bloat. It helped my stomach expel the gas better and it even helped digestion almost as good as gut health.
Got the quicker hair growth on face and head some have mentioned. Usually get my hair cut once a month and it grows slow.
Will probably need it cut in two weeks.
Lost a pants size and my clothes are fitting more loose in general. We have to remove our belts at the security at work and I had to hold up my trousers where otherwise they would be a bit loose but stay up. And I have a moon face(genetics) and it even made it a bit thinner.
Cannot speak on sleep because my bed is crappy and I am trying to find a good one because I refuse to blow money on more crappy furniture.
Got the appetite suppression in the morning as well. It is not halting but more so gradual and gentle. I had to actually make myself eat my snacks and lunch. One day I just ate breakfast and it was like 7 hours and my stomach growled and I knew I had to get something.
I know it is only one week and at the max dose. Still, it seems to be a pretty good product so far.
Am going to drop to 12 ED now and stack it with forskolin and coconut oil.
Has worked better for me than quite a few other products i have used for similar purposes.
Hopefully Mr. Arnold makes larger caps and a lower cap per dose if possible.
This may end up being a staple for me. Just going through things I can run long term that will keep the fat off and the muscle on.
Ursobolic is worth it for me at least. And like Truth.. I also dislike cardio.
Just looking for something long term in addition to diet to give me a little edge in staying lean.
Dropped ALL my other supplements except for my multivitamin/calcium. Even stopped my nootropics (A-Gpc/DHA/P-Serine/Lion's Mane)
Stopped all my exercise and even rode the elevator at work on all occasions. Plus my job is sedentary and we all know how that works.
Ate junk food/real food every single day. One whole three meat Red Baron Thin Crust, 20 ounce minute maid lemonade, 2 1 buck bags of lays Sour cream and onion, and the king size Reese's cups in the evening.
The morning breakfast, snacks, and lunch I had my usual beans with peppers , chicken breasts, oatmeal and cup of walnuts and raisins.
Do not keep a scale in the house and not yet time for my periodic bodyfat check.
Got less bloat. It helped my stomach expel the gas better and it even helped digestion almost as good as gut health.
Got the quicker hair growth on face and head some have mentioned. Usually get my hair cut once a month and it grows slow.
Will probably need it cut in two weeks.
Lost a pants size and my clothes are fitting more loose in general. We have to remove our belts at the security at work and I had to hold up my trousers where otherwise they would be a bit loose but stay up. And I have a moon face(genetics) and it even made it a bit thinner.
Cannot speak on sleep because my bed is crappy and I am trying to find a good one because I refuse to blow money on more crappy furniture.
Got the appetite suppression in the morning as well. It is not halting but more so gradual and gentle. I had to actually make myself eat my snacks and lunch. One day I just ate breakfast and it was like 7 hours and my stomach growled and I knew I had to get something.
I know it is only one week and at the max dose. Still, it seems to be a pretty good product so far.
Am going to drop to 12 ED now and stack it with forskolin and coconut oil.
Has worked better for me than quite a few other products i have used for similar purposes.
Hopefully Mr. Arnold makes larger caps and a lower cap per dose if possible.
This may end up being a staple for me. Just going through things I can run long term that will keep the fat off and the muscle on.
Ursobolic is worth it for me at least. And like Truth.. I also dislike cardio.
Just looking for something long term in addition to diet to give me a little edge in staying lean.
truthornothin
Well-known member
Ok.. Ebol I know and have some experience with but I'll reserve comment here. Erase, and Triazole, I assume you mean the supplement and not the anti fungal
I have no experience with so I'll also reserve comment. I've seen you post up in my log. I am currently running this as a clean bulk/recomp. I usually eat very few carbs and lots of protein and fat. While on Ursobolic I've considerably increased my carb consumption to the point where I no longer crave them. If I want them, I eat them. I do not over eat but I do not calorie count. My muscle bodies seem and feel fuller and I've gained no appreciable fat. Its almost like it was when I was a teenager and gould eat all I wanted and not gain fat. Also keep in mine I am on PCT, I've lost no weight either I am 204 by last measure. So recomp? I say Hell Yes! Cut? Certainly I am being goaded to cut bact my calories and see how lean I can get. I've run lean since last October and all the denial is rough. I may in fact drop back to maintenance just to see. But I digress. As far as anti E's its a shame no more 6 oxo, I wish I could recommend something. Ursolic acid has demonstrated some anti estrogen activity but it should stack well with whichever anti e you choose
truthornothin
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We seem to have a lot of the same stuff going on. My job couldn't get more sedentary and cardio is so damn boring. My training partner is trying to talk me into it and I may give in on occasion. But prolly not. I've been mostly lean since last October. I am very disciplined diet wise but it has been nice not worrying about every mouthful I eat. I still do not eat many bad carbs, my pita chips lol and bread Until ursobolic I hadn't eaten bread except on a refeed in the longest...its the simple pleasures in life lol Glad its working for you. I am now convinced that all the non responders are not taking it with enough fat.
GuyverX
Well-known member
I totally understand. Similar to you I usually keep my diet within certain simple foods and avoiding those damaging type of carbs.
And yes every now and then on a load a guy wants something bad, lolz.
Plus my family does the whole southern cooking thing....
That is a good point. 3 grams of fat has been mentioned here and in other places.
Then again some people just do not respond much or at all.
Like the old P-Full did wonders for me but the new one... barely a peep.
Thanks for the inspiration Truth.
Now I know I can blow off the cardio... well except for martial arts practice.
GuyverX
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:head:
truthornothin
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Kewl!