Neoborn's Formestane / EForm FAQ...
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prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
Exact opposite by far good buddy.
Breezed_one
New member
Been on it (eform) for a week at 4-5 sprays 2x daily and have not noticed much. hopefully I will notice it, will step up to six pumps shortly. Is the neck area okay to spray? Feel like the bottle is getting empty fast for one week but I bought two. Read this thread and bigt before I started so also want to say thanks to all!
celc5
Well-known member
Nothing? No pump, no libido boost, no aggression? I'd be like a tank at 8-10 sprays per day. Something's not adding up :think: Applying 12 hours apart after the shower? Sprayer operating properly?
neoborn
Well-known member
I agree with Celc, make sure you are applying soon as you get out of the shower to allow your pores to absorb this better. Perhaps also add lotion over top.
Another thing you may do is empty out into a container and every dose:
1. Shake container
2. Measure with 1ml dropper from Walmart
3. Apply and alternate application to large muscle bellies.
Much Love,
Neoborn
Another thing you may do is empty out into a container and every dose:
1. Shake container
2. Measure with 1ml dropper from Walmart
3. Apply and alternate application to large muscle bellies.
Much Love,
Neoborn
metroba
Legend
Thanks. I should have no problem taking this with MFX, HX2, retain and a SERM right?
prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
I'm taking it that this is for post cycle therapy correct? If so, then I would just hold off on the eform until after you've had a chance to get your hormone levels normalized. Would go extrememly well with the FX, and some Retain though. The HX2 contains a pretty potent AI which would probably be overkill if you combined the two.
thebigt
Legend
the neck? thats a new one!! try your chest and upper thighs, maybe behind knees even tops of feet. you got 8-10 sprays a day to work with,spread it around. btw thedutchman and i both had no results from stomach area. good luck.:donut: :donut: :donut: :donut: :donut: :donut:
metroba
Legend
that what i thought. thanks
beallio
Member
What if you're pulsing epi, and using e-form on off days? Could you carry on using e-form through pct (non-SERM)?
prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
Since this is a pulse to minimize shutdown I don't see it as much of a problem for test normalization(keep in mind however that slight suppression can occur with form). Just taper when coming off and carry it over into post cycle. Throwing in some FX, and xlean/retain2, should make it fun.
beallio
Member
Taper down to 0 or taper down to a lower dose? As of now I have Warfare and Rebound XT for pct.
prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
Both, taper down to a lower dose, going lower thru out the week(s) until 0. Avoid taking this with JW or XT as both have pretty potent AI properties of their own.
celc5
Well-known member
If I were pulsing and no serm in post cycle, I would do this:
Weeks 1-4 pulse of choice
Weeks 3-4: ramp formestane to around 120-160mg TD/day
Week 5 (week 1 post cycle): maintain at or around your max dosage
Weeks 6-8: do a systematic taper of formestane as prelude suggested by about 20mg per day, every other day (for example if you maxed at 160)
In my opinion, I agree with prelude that another AI is NOT necessary. It could also be argued that you wouldn't need the free test booster at this point as well. I would keep the cort control in there though throughout post cycle with creatine and zma.
prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
Werd.:thumbsup:
beallio
Member
I was planning on wks 6-7 pulse alternating between 40mg Epi on on days and 200mg of form on off days. Would this be pushing it? According the literature and anecdotal evidence this should be fine. As Dr. D notes pulsing allows for longer cycles than standard.
Breezed_one
New member
It's working!!! Took a few days but I do believe it has arrived. I did move up to six pumps twice a day and that is when I noticed it. Is it a problem if I always apply to the chest area? Def. tightness there and in my biceps.
prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
That's fine for dosing, you might want to rotate application spots to avoid irritation of the area. It has a tendency to drie the heck out of whatever spot your using after a little while.
beallio what you have laid out looks like it should be fine.
thebigt
Legend
i agree with prld, my suggestion is to put 2 sprays on chest 2 on arms, and 2 on thighs. if i put all 6 sprays on one area i get a rash after about a week. formestane is good stuff, glad your finally feeling it!
Travis
Banned
Okay I read this whole thread and I have some very general questions:
1. Why is everyone trying to reduce estrogen on cycle? Estrogen on cycle isnt necessarily a bad thing unless your experiencing negative symptoms from high estrogen.
2. Do people prefer to use this as a preventive measure? Doesnt it make more sense to begin using a powerful AI once negative symptoms show up, hence maximizing the potential gains of your cycle?
I dont have a great understanding of AI's so I am trying to learn..especially their use ON cycle. It just doesnt make sense to me to use powerfull AI's until they are absolutely needed (ex, onset of gyno). If it is an emergency issue then why not use something stronger like letro. I can understand the use of a milder AI (ex, 6-bromo) on cycle but I dont see the need for more powerfull AI's.
1. Why is everyone trying to reduce estrogen on cycle? Estrogen on cycle isnt necessarily a bad thing unless your experiencing negative symptoms from high estrogen.
2. Do people prefer to use this as a preventive measure? Doesnt it make more sense to begin using a powerful AI once negative symptoms show up, hence maximizing the potential gains of your cycle?
I dont have a great understanding of AI's so I am trying to learn..especially their use ON cycle. It just doesnt make sense to me to use powerfull AI's until they are absolutely needed (ex, onset of gyno). If it is an emergency issue then why not use something stronger like letro. I can understand the use of a milder AI (ex, 6-bromo) on cycle but I dont see the need for more powerfull AI's.
thebigt
Legend
let me steal a line from ra-if you dont feel comfortable using it then dont.
prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
Some people don't like the aromatization and excessive estrogen increases that accompany some cycles, which while making your weight go up will cause you to smooth out via water weight increases. Others will choose to use it as a prevenative measure with the mind set of,"Why wait until it happens to do something about it." In essence it has the potential to not only act in this manner(less water weight, protection, etc), but also brings the other properties that have been mentioned in this thread to the cycle i.e. leaning features, strength increases etc.
Travis
Banned
Okay, I see your point that some people like a dryer look even during cycle. So that seems like a valid use for it. As far as using it in a preventive measure I think a milder AI would be more useful on cycle, jmho for now.
I've always been under the understanding that gains in terms of strength, size, lbm, etc will be better ON cycle even with the higher E levels.....so that sorta contradicts the claims of leaning features and strength increases. Guess thats the part I dont understand...
celc5
Well-known member
Don't forget the hydroxy test prohormone in formestane. For those of us that are less experienced and less aggressive with phs/aas, that extra kick is simply incredible.
Also, it would also be useful for a quick libido boost if you start feeling suppressed on cycle. In other words, MANY reasons to use form on cycle.
Travis
Banned
Well Bobo seems to debunk the fact that form increases test and presents a few good points in the following thread which may explain the user claims of libido boosts:
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I wonder if he is still of this opinion?
DR.D
Well-known member
WeaponX
New member
I just started my second bottle of eForm (6 squirts 2x per day), and this bottle is completely different from the first (like night and day). The first bottle was smooth and the nozzle never clogged once throughout. The second bottle was like someone poured sand into it and clogged immediatly. just thought it was weird...
metroba
Legend
Switch to the eye dropper method its makes a world of difference.
beallio
Member
Once you add DMSO so much for the pleasent smell...
How do you cover up the smell? I used the stuff in HS to recover from a hammy pull, and people wouldn't sit next to me in class...
prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
Just add a lesser amount. 1oz DMSO per 4oz solution seems to be effective yet keeps the smell at bay in my experiences.
beallio
Member
Makes sense - concentration would be considerably less. I also used a gel solution if that makes any difference. Is DMSO still a vet product, or have restrictions slacked recently? I haven't used since HS so I don't know where the current status lies.
Travis
Banned
Bobo's never been a big form fan.
What about you? I am assuming you are however I dont think you ever specifically said...
psychospic
Member
I'll be running MDROL be CEL (superdrol clone) towards the end of the year and was thinking of adding some formestane. I was pleased with each individually and would love to see how they work stacked. I was thinking of 4 weeks of MDROL ramping from 10 to 30mg/day and running Formestane concurrently for 6 weeks with the last two weeks going into post cycle therapy tapering down while adding the SERM and DHEA.
If I am running the Form and MDROL concurrently, what should the Form dosage be?
If I am running the Form and MDROL concurrently, what should the Form dosage be?
neoborn
Well-known member
I believe the standard dosage of Form is 100mg daily broken down into two applications one morning after shower and one at night after shower.
No, but I believe Formestane is Systemic as opposed to Abliderate which is local, so with that said you should apply to any good sized muscle belly after a warm shower for best absorbtion.
I have cleaned up the formatting for the Original Post to help clarify. If you do not find needed information let me know and I will find out and add it to the FAQ. ( I thought these things were mentioned no? )
Much Love,
Neoborn
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prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
Looks good, though the bullets and numbering has slid a space on you during your format.
wheels
Active member
I will be running 1 4ad for a 10-12wk cycle would like to run formestance for the last 6-8wks of cycle at 80-120mg is this ok ?
prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
That's ideal.:thumbsup:
prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
Bullets are still off, unless that's how you ment them to be.
metroba
Legend
Thanks Neo! Just wanted to make sure cause it was weird.
celc5
Well-known member
I'd lose the grey and make it standard black. Concerning eform doses, I'd add an "edit:" because no one seems to be responding to the low doses that I originally suggested.
The common dosage seems to lie around 140-200mg/day TD split into 2 doses. The more experienced users tend to go even higher.
Good job neo :cheers:
The common dosage seems to lie around 140-200mg/day TD split into 2 doses. The more experienced users tend to go even higher.
Good job neo :cheers:
metroba
Legend
Well if the reccomended dose is 4-6 squirts twice a day thats 160-240mg/day. Thats still within the reccomended dose. Have you heard of anyone going higher?
beallio
Member
It's my understanding the 1mL = 20mg comes from the e-form calculation where 1 squirt = 20mg (if I remember correctly, the bottle states 5 squirts = 100mg, hence 1 squirt = 20mg). It sounds as though conventional wisdom dictates 1 squirt ~ 1ml.
I don't know where the 1mL=25mg calc came from. Shoddy arithmatic? Maybe someone made a homebrew using 6g of form instead of the recommended 5g?
If 8oz of penetrate ~ 236.59ml and using 6g of form per bottle, than the combination yields ~25.3mg/ml