Here is a little more information (can I get a little help filling in the blanks on certain unknown active ingredients?)
ingredients in Sports One "17-diol"
Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 2 TABLETS
Servings Per Container: 60
Amount Per Serving
2á,3áEPITHIO-17a-METHYLETIOALLOCHOLANOL 25 mg <-(epistane)
TRIBULUS TERRESTRIS (SAPONINS 40%) 1500 mg (Tribulus terrestulis are the beta-carbolines harman (harmane) and norharman (norharmane)) But most know this already and the "claims" that go along with Trib.
CAFFEINE ANHYDROUS USP 250 mg
2-HYDROXYMETHI-5-HYDROXY-R-PYRONE 55 mg<--?
METHYL SYNEPHERINE 20 mg<---(or oxedrine)(Ephedra's weaker cousin)
YOHIMBINE 3 mg (It behaves as an antagonist at α1-adrenergic, α2-adrenergic, 5-HT1B, 5-HT1D, 5-HT2A, 5-HT2B, and D2, and as a partial agonist at 5-HT1A.[12][14][15][16] Its intrinsic activities at the other sites listed are unclear/unknown but it is probably mostly antagonistic at them.) in short it can break up fatty cell wall membranes, among other "theoretical" sexual performance uses.
Other Ingredients:
Proprietary half life enxymatic conversion excelerator, Gelatin, Dicalcium phosphate and magnesium stearate.
Suggested Use:
Take 2 TABLETS 60 minuites prior to working out or excercise
here is for the Sports One methyl halobolin:
Serving Size: 1 Capsule
Servings Per Container: 60
Amount Per Serving
4-cloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4 diene-3-17b-diol 25 MG<--(halodrol clone)
Other Ingredients:
Proprietary half life enxymatic conversion excelerator, Gelatin, Dicalcium phosphate and magnesium stearate.
From Panthera Labs (website of same name .com)
Primaldrol 4000 contains
Active ingredient of note:
DHEA 3b-Hydroxy-5-Androteine-17-onne
Esterfied:
Deconate
Propionate
Acetate
Cypionate
(propionate for example will slow the release of a steroid for a few days, while the duration will be weeks with a decanoate ester)
(acetate can be converted to cholesterol...the building block for all hormones and enters the bloodstream and is ultimately oxidized to carbon dioxide and water. Considerable utilizable energy)
(cypionate...similar to Enanthate but smaller release of active ingredients (pro-hormone?)
enzymatic active form of Eurycoma
Longifolia (22% EuryPeptides, 40% Glyco Saponins)
Combined with Fenugeek amino acid extract 4 Hydroxyisoleucine, 6 Keto Diosgenin,
Cyanotis Vaga (20 Hydroxy Ecdysterone), Beta Alanine, DHEA and Stinging Nettle Root
extract.
CLINICALLY PROVEN TO: Increase Total Testosterone - Increase Bio-available Testosterone
Generate a statistically significant increase in DHEA levels (26% after 1 week and 47% after 3 weeks) which in turn is
subsequently aromatized to Testosterone1
Combined with a unique Fenugeek amino acid extract which is clinically proven to increase insulin sensitivity and
significantly improves protein synthesis utilization.
Consumption of this products inputs have been clinically demonstrated to:
Increase lean muscle mass - Decrease fat mass - Increase muscle size & strength2
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1: MIM Tambi, S. Othman and JM Saad Department of Biochemistry, Faculty of Medicine, University of Malaya, Malaysia
2: Hamzah & Yusof British Journal of Sport Medicine 2003; 37: 464-470
Now diet ("If it walks, swims or flies...kill it and eat it" was an attempt at a little levity (adequate protein intake to re-synthesis tissue)but with out detailing too much:
Dan Duchane's Body Opus for first 14 days, dipping below 50 gm/dL of blood sugar with precise hourly gram/lbs. FF mass of liquid carbohydrate sources on day 7 and 14. Those two nights will suck sleep wise. (Don't have the book, it's a great read. Don't know who he is? Shame on you ;0) JK
After creating a metabolic "U-Turn" I will switch to weekly routine of 3d-1d-3d carb cycling based on my lean FF mass (determined by under water weighing). Can check this as often as I want at the college....graduate alumni perks I guess.
Depending on my strength/performance I will adjust carb load meals (last two meals of 4th day) up to replenish liver stores/super compensate muscle. Norm carb-load meal size is 200-300 gm starchy carb with less then 10 gm good fat (if possible) and under 20gm protein. Doing this for the next to and last meal of the night on Day 4.
Then it's back to less then 25-40 gm Active carbs for each day with the majority from good fats (70-75%) and remainder in protein. As my strength/power numbers go each training day, I will adjust as needed.
Now after reviewing a little of my stack (Monster Pump pre-workout mix) I will eliminate Monster Pump (dose it 1/2) as two forms of Stimulants are present in 17-diol and or use a non stimulated source such as Caffeine Free Fast Twitch and add a little MCT or fish oil for energy (on low carb days).
I hope that helps those that now how these active ingredients work and how I should use them. Methylated products have scared me in the past so I wanted a cycle protocol (days on 1 supplement, if to stack or cycle in another and the best PCT opinion.
Man the days of glanular base pro-hormonals are gone....I used to stack so much and had blood work done, no increase in Liver enzymes or negative results. I sure miss 1998-2001!
Just a little of what you may be asking.
A.A.
