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Need a stim free preworkout..help !

Selecta

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Ok I have been using preworkouts (generally potent ones!) for well over a year with no break. I know this is silly, the last 5 months or so it has been 4 times a week but during my cut for last 8 weeks been taking an amp based fat burner for rest day cardio too.

I used to also drink a lot of coffee throughout the day also but now only drink decaffeinated so the only caffeine I have is in my supplements. I have also started taking theanine with the pre to minimise the caffeine sides.

The problem is i have started to suffer from anxiety and worry about stupid things and a general feeling of uneasiness. This isn't all the time or everyday but it is happening and i can only imagine its the stimulant abuse so i know i need a break!

My problem is i train at 5.30 am and i have grown dependant on the kick up the backside a preworkout gives so am looking for a non stim option that would help get me in the zone. I know plenty will say just man up and you don't need one etc etc but i am just asking what products people have tried that are gtg. Is there any preworkouts that are non stim that give good focus also without the caffeine etc.

One i have read about is Metabolic PSP:

P.S.P Pre-Workout Proprietary Matrix

Beta alanine, glycerol (75%), glycoload, creatine glycol phosphate, tri-pep, agmatine sulfate, citrulline malate, arginine silicate, n-acetyl-l-tyrosine, choline bitaraye, l-norvaline, picamilon, 3,7-dimethyl-1H-purine-2,6-dione, norcoclaurine, calcium glycerol gluconate, magnesium glycerol gluconate, potassium glycerol gluconate, sodium glycerol gluconate, vitamin B6 (pyridoxine hci), vitamin b3 (niacin), vitamin b12 (cyanocobalamine

Anyone tried?!
 
USP Labs Max Reps, Transparent Labs Stim Free, Vasky by MTS.
 
Yes, helped me training when i suffered anxiety back in the day, it reduces stress and relaxed me but same time gave me focus.
 
I've never tried Metabolic PSP. My favorite non-stim preworkouts are Conqu3r Unleased stim free and Powermax XT. Powermax XT delivers a full serving of creatine, along with an electrolyte blend, amentoflavone, and glycerol for a good pump. Its great to use as a preworkout or a daily ergogenic product to get in your daily staples.

Powermax XT can also be picked up for 20% off right now at Nutriverse, now through August 1.
 
Love maxreps. Also check out mst RagNOroc. I got great results early morning with the stim free version.

Oh, and Focus Xt caffeine free is pretty good too.
 
I heard many people have used Hemavo2 as a non stim. Also Mesomorph V2 is non stim as well. Ive only used Hemavo2 as a pump product and its worked great/
 
I second Powermax XT. It covers your daily ergogenics like John mentioned above. It will help with Strength, Recovery, Endurance, and Hydration. It also has a Pump mix to it as well.
 
Big fan of Max Reps, also just buying individual ingredients is a pretty cost efficient way to go as well.
 
Focus XT caffeine free. All the focus and rive of a normal pre, without the stims!

Personally, I also like bulk beta alanine (SNS has it on the cheap cheap) becuase the "tingles" make me "feel" like im getting stims... sneaky sneaky haha
 
Have a small scoop of whey before training, sip on some bcaas, or even straight leucine during workout. That's all you need for early am workouts.

Don't buy propriety brand bullsh1t, buy bulk no label - it's at least half price and a squirt of lemon juice is all you need.

Personally I like to mega dose caffeine as well, but I can understand the situation here.
 
I don't believe in a lot of these new "stim free preworkouts" because they are just Nitric Oxide products with the word preworkout on them. They don't do anything to enhance performance. A true stim free pre and post workout product is NOS ETHER.
 
Check out conquer unleashed as a non stim option. Should still help with focus and cognitive awareness. And give a killer pump
 
Captn_the said:
Have a small scoop of whey before training, sip on some bcaas, or even straight leucine during workout. That's all you need for early am workouts.

Don't buy propriety brand bullsh1t, buy bulk no label - it's at least half price and a squirt of lemon juice is all you need.

Personally I like to mega dose caffeine as well, but I can understand the situation here.
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This is bad advice lol. There are a number of products that actually provide acute performance benefits and considering he is stim dependent whey and bcaa are not going to provide him with any mental clarity lol
 
I think it might be easier just to treat the anxiety with maybe something like ksm 66 ashwaganda, or maybe inositol. Just because you found one you like. Or just cut back a little on you fatburners. I think it's hard to find stimulants you like.
 
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51FTY said:
I think it might be easier just to treat the anxiety with maybe something like ksm 66 ashwaganda, or maybe inositol. Just because you found one you like. Or just cut back a little on you fatburners. I think it's hard to find stimulants you like.
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Any recommendations on products ?
 
I make my own fatburners. It's cheaper also but a pain. You can duplicate one you like and play with the doses and remove or add ingredients you don't like. The ksm 66 is ashwaganda, I'm not sure if it lowered my cortisol to much. I think I might start taking it again. It is a good product though.
 
Max Reps by USP Labs
Conqu3r Non-Stim by OL
White Pipes by CL
Cannibal Permaswole by Chaos and Pain

All good options you can also consider adding or stacking ergonine by PES to fill the gaps with betaine , HICA , creatine , synerglut, hydro max and LCLT to help with recovery and performance

Would be a legit 1-2 combo
 
hemavo2 has a really solid profile, I personally can't wait to use it.....but it depends on what your looking for, something as simple as a nootropic will give you focus, but hemavo2 will give killer pumps and a mental edge
 
Young Gotti said:
hemavo2 has a really solid profile, I personally can't wait to use it.....but it depends on what your looking for, something as simple as a nootropic will give you focus, but hemavo2 will give killer pumps and a mental edge
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Great recommendation.
 
Selecta said:
Any suggested nootropics ?
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focus xt (caff free) has some mild ones, and you could pair that with Noopept xt or even jsut go with bulk huperzine-a instead of the FXT (as it contains hup-a)
 
Hemavo2's focus is very very good. Of course the pump in it is great as well with the 1g KNO3 and 3g Hydromask.
 
Woody said:
Check out conquer unleashed as a non stim option. Should still help with focus and cognitive awareness. And give a killer pump
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another vote for
conquer unleashed best pre I've ever had, flavoring has been improved to
 
Hard to beat PowerMax XT. Training first thing in the morning, it can be difficut for some to achieve a good pump. PowerMax XT gives you 1 gram of glycerol to help with pumps and muscle fullness and also includes some electrolytes. I know when I train first thing, I sometimes cramp up, even when drinking a bunch of water before. PowerMax XT helps with that. COP, Amento and TMG all help with endurance and performance. L-Alanyl L-Glutamine helps with recovery and you get a full dose of creatine.

Although some may think of PowerMax XT as a creatine product, it is way more than that as some others have pointed out. I took a five week stim break and only use stims a few times a week now. My current pre workout stack is the following:

1 scoop PowerMax XT
100-200 mcg Huperzine A
1-2 grams of Tyrosine
1-2 grams of Alcar
300-600 mg of GPC

This is a complete non stim stack and I feel great in the gym. This is training fasted, first thing in the morning as well.
 
OK so I think I have narrowed it down to Conquer Unleashed stim free or perhaps SNS Focus XT Stim Free and a few additions. If I went SNS FXT route what would you guys add for a more complete preworkout experience?
 
Selecta said:
OK so I think I have narrowed it down to Conquer Unleashed stim free or perhaps SNS Focus XT Stim Free and a few additions. If I went SNS FXT route what would you guys add for a more complete preworkout experience?
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i would add sns Creatinol-O-Phosphate and Agmatine
 
Selecta said:
OK so I think I have narrowed it down to Conquer Unleashed stim free or perhaps SNS Focus XT Stim Free and a few additions. If I went SNS FXT route what would you guys add for a more complete preworkout experience?
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Focus + MaxReps is pretty phenomenal
 
Selecta said:
OK so I think I have narrowed it down to Conquer Unleashed stim free or perhaps SNS Focus XT Stim Free and a few additions. If I went SNS FXT route what would you guys add for a more complete preworkout experience?
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instead of buying COP, Agmatine, or ALCAR.... Conqu3r Unleashed Stim Free has all of this included in the formula.
Less trouble on your end to buying bulk ingredients GNO
 
The Solution said:
instead of buying COP, Agmatine, or ALCAR.... Conqu3r Unleashed Stim Free has all of this included in the formula.
Less trouble on your end to buying bulk ingredients GNO
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Conqu3r SF gives you the performance benefit and pump while giving you some focus/mind boost from the adaptogen blend - a combination you typically won't find in other stim-free formulas
 
You'll be fine with either.

Stim Free Focus XT is a great stim free workout whose benefits extend past the gym and into your work day.

Conqu3r stim free is a good stim free workout.

If you want the cheapest route, stim free focus XT + bulk Agmatine & COP is another good solution. Don't need additional ALCAR as it has a good dose in the formula already.

Either way, enjoy and keep up the work
 
By time someone adds up all these stacks they could just use NOS ETHER at $37 right now
 
Selecta said:
OK so I think I have narrowed it down to Conquer Unleashed stim free or perhaps SNS Focus XT Stim Free and a few additions. If I went SNS FXT route what would you guys add for a more complete preworkout experience?
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SNS Citrulline Malate
SNS Agmatine

That would be it.

No need for additional ALCAR.

Plus, Focus XT gets even better with time, extending not just to your workouts, but for beyond as well. Be on the lookout for a complete breakdown coming soon!
 
Agmatine and nitrates are the best for pumps for me personally.
 
OP....what is your need from a stim free preworkout? Performance gains without stims or pumps. Pump products are not performance enhancers or preworkouts. Per se.
 
One of the best I have used is nocturnis from mind and muscle. Have enough to give you a pump without the stims
 
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