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I am going into week two on Omega Sports T-Force and I am pleasantly surprised so far, My libido is up(it was down quite bit as I have been working my butt off in the gym and at work) and I am having a feeling of well being. Too early to tell on body comp, but I am liking it so far. BTW, I have used DAA also and I did like that(I took it a long with l-dopa and erase).
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Not infertility, just reduced sperm motility. I doubt it would last post-cycle, though there is no data.
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That's all I need to hear.

BRB, buying 10kgs and triple dosing.
 
PA is gonna wonder why on April 15th 2012 the entire stock of ursobolic was bought up in a frenzy.....until he see's this thread....
 
mr.cooper69 said:
May I suggest, as a rather effective compromise, Testabolan v2 + DAA? Testabolan is a fantastic product for freeing up the testosterone that will be elevated from the DAA, and they cross-complement each other as far as feedback loops are concerned.
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Is Testabolan similar to this Erase supplement I keep reading about?
 
JReinhal said:
Is Testabolan similar to this Erase supplement I keep reading about?
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Erase is an AI, testabolan is a test booster so answer is no.
 
LiveToLift said:
Erase is an AI, testabolan is a test booster so answer is no.
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Excuse my ignorance, I don't know what AI means.
Is Erase something I would want to use with DAA/Testabolan?
 
JReinhal said:
Excuse my ignorance, I don't know what AI means.
Is Erase something I would want to use with DAA/Testabolan?
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Yes, erase controls estrogen daa boosts test
 
They work great stacked, matter fact the three together would be sick!
 
LiveToLift said:
Yes, erase controls estrogen daa boosts test
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Thank you for your reply!
I'm doing the DAA/Testabolan for max 6 weeks and that's it for me. Is estrogen control something I need to be concerned with?
 
JReinhal said:
Thank you for your reply!
I'm doing the DAA/Testabolan for max 6 weeks and that's it for me. Is estrogen control something I need to be concerned with?
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It never hurts but it isn't a have to in this case, you aren't running this as a pct from a cycle right?
 
intimidate dosing

hey man, just curious about something; i just ordered intimidate; i never took daa because i didnt want to consume large amounts of poorly absorbed substances. obviously i think intimidate is totally the right direction to go, but i was wondering about the warning label stating "never exceed the recommended dose even if you are an experienced supplement user ect." i was wondering if iforce has any knowledge as to why increasing to say two or three caps a day instead of one would be such a bad idea. i mean, at 100x potency, that comes to 3g of daa (provided the daa is absorbed at all). if people are taking 7g of daa, then whats the harm in increasing dose? is this a standard warning or are there prolactin issues, drowsiness, or estrogen conversion to be concerned about with higher dosage?




JN230 said:
wont have any issues runing DAA but you can significantly increase your gains by swapping your DAA for Intimidate which is a better form of DAA :)
check out
iForce intimidate and testobolan paired, the acetyl l carn can increase androgen receptor sensitivity, as does L carn L tartate
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haha i read that review too. but that was patrick anrnold's version of daa at nutraplanet; thing about what he invented is that it has a whopping 50% rda of calcium per dose. and youre supposed to take two does a day; add that to all the calcium you have from lots of whey protein, and yeah; its hypercalcemia; ive seen depression listed as a symptom of that. also, he added a contraversial substance called sarcosine (at 3g).


JReinhal said:
Reading reviews on DAA from a major online seller (not sure if I can give names here), some of the negatives were major depression after 1 month of use. Is this common? I assume that answer would probably be on a case by case basis.
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then again, the depression could be from increased prolactin caused by daa


thescience said:
haha i read that review too. but that was patrick anrnold's version of daa at nutraplanet; thing about what he invented is that it has a whopping 50% rda of calcium per dose. and youre supposed to take two does a day; add that to all the calcium you have from lots of whey protein, and yeah; its hypercalcemia; ive seen depression listed as a symptom of that. also, he added a contraversial substance called sarcosine (at 3g).
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JReinhal said:
Had to look up pct. haha.
No, I'm not. Thanks!
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Gotta start somewhere bro, keep doing research and pm me with anything you need help with. You came to the right place to learn!
 
well my question is whats the big deal with taking more than the 30mg dose of intimidate; i mean, the label said dont do it regardless of weight; you cant tell me a 400lb guy wouldnt benefit from a bigger dose; im wondering if you guys know of any problems with increasing the dose to justify the unusually stern warning;



thescience said:
hey man, just curious about something; i just ordered intimidate; i never took daa because i didnt want to consume large amounts of poorly absorbed substances. obviously i think intimidate is totally the right direction to go, but i was wondering about the warning label stating "never exceed the recommended dose even if you are an experienced supplement user ect." i was wondering if iforce has any knowledge as to why increasing to say two or three caps a day instead of one would be such a bad idea. i mean, at 100x potency, that comes to 3g of daa (provided the daa is absorbed at all). if people are taking 7g of daa, then whats the harm in increasing dose? is this a standard warning or are there prolactin issues, drowsiness, or estrogen conversion to be concerned about with higher dosage?
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thescience said:
well my question is whats the big deal with taking more than the 30mg dose of intimidate; i mean, the label said dont do it regardless of weight; you cant tell me a 400lb guy wouldnt benefit from a bigger dose; im wondering if you guys know of any problems with increasing the dose to justify the unusually stern warning;
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The dose is dependent on brain mass, since that is its target tissue.If you exceed the dose, you risk neurotoxicity.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
The dose is dependent on brain mass, since that is its target tissue.If you exceed the dose, you risk neurotoxicity.
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and we all know the bigger guys usually have smaller brains, and the smaller smarter guys got bigger brains....so probably the smaller smarter guys can benefit from increased dosing :D
 
JReinhal said:
Mr. Cooper, amazingly helpful and patient to boot.
I was looking at the ingredient list of Testabolan and have no clue on what the ingredient list of Hydroxadiol matrix is. Not only do I need to make sure it's safe (broad term, I know) but I'm also not a fan of stimulants.
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Just go with what was originally suggested to you.
 
T-Bone said:
Awesome!. Thanks for posting that because otherwise I would have wondered where you were!
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I'm like an std, there may not be signs of me but I'm there.... :-)
 
thats a good answer. personally, i have my own thought on neurotoxicity; take glutamate for example; people talk about it like youre gonna go into seiures just taking alittle mixed into your condiment, yet i can drop 20g a day; from what ive studied about the brain, one man's poison is another man's cure; case in point; scientists found copper was able to increase brain cell lifespan and endurance against stimulation resulting in braincell death; my point is, people blame glutamate when maybe they should be blaming their own deficiencies.


mr.cooper69 said:
The dose is dependent on brain mass, since that is its target tissue.If you exceed the dose, you risk neurotoxicity.
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thescience said:
thats a good answer. personally, i have my own thought on neurotoxicity; take glutamate for example; people talk about it like youre gonna go into seiures just taking alittle mixed into your condiment, yet i can drop 20g a day; from what ive studied about the brain, one man's poison is another man's cure; case in point; scientists found copper was able to increase brain cell lifespan and endurance against stimulation resulting in braincell death; my point is, people blame glutamate when maybe they should be blaming their own deficiencies.
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Word. It would be pretty much impossible to get neurotoxicity from oral doses of DAA, and I'd assume NMDA is the same but it is simply easier to "overdose" given the milligram dosing scheme.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
May I suggest, as a rather effective compromise, Testabolan v2 + DAA? Testabolan is a fantastic product for freeing up the testosterone that will be elevated from the DAA, and they cross-complement each other as far as feedback loops are concerned.
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Sorry to keep this thread going. I've been doing some more reading and Anabeta seems to come up a lot. Would there be a conflict if I took this with the above mentioned Testabolan and DAA? If not, are there any serious side effects from Anabeta?
Thank you!
 
no serious sides and DEF can run the new anabeta elite, available only at *** though :(

it lowers cortisol, raises cAMP youll have higher test from testobolan and intimidate! youd be set man!
 
JReinhal said:
Sorry to keep this thread going. I've been doing some more reading and Anabeta seems to come up a lot. Would there be a conflict if I took this with the above mentioned Testabolan and DAA? If not, are there any serious side effects from Anabeta?
Thank you!
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There is very mild overlap (Anabeta provides boost in libido, indirect T boost, boost in mood) but there are no contraindications.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
There is very mild overlap (Anabeta provides boost in libido, indirect T boost, boost in mood) but there are no contraindications.
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Thank you to you both for your replies. So just to be clear, it is "safe" to run DAA/Testo/Anabeta together? Is it a worthwhile addition?
 
mr.cooper69 said:
It is certainly safe but you'd benefit more from a product like Triazole or Erase in this specific stack
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I was wondering about Erase. I assumed it was some sort of anti estrogen supp and I thought that was something I would not need to worry about. What are your thoughts?
 
JReinhal said:
I was wondering about Erase. I assumed it was some sort of anti estrogen supp and I thought that was something I would not need to worry about. What are your thoughts?
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You do not need to worry about estrogen. However, if you inhibit aromatase in a state of elevated testosterone, it drives your testosterone levels that much higher.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
You do not need to worry about estrogen. However, if you inhibit aromatase in a state of elevated testosterone, it drives your testosterone levels that much higher.
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So you would recommend adding Erase Pro to the aforementioned supplements?
The ingredients are in no way a stimulant as far as you know? I don't react well to those.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
You do not need to worry about estrogen. However, if you inhibit aromatase in a state of elevated testosterone, it drives your testosterone levels that much higher.
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Also, would you,recommend Erase or Erase Pro?
 
mr.cooper69 said:
No stimulants.

Erase. Run it at 100mg ED starting 2 weeks into your DAA run.
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Unfortunately, I was only able to get Erase Pro at this time. Any issue with stacking that?
 
I realize Erase Pro is anti estrogen. Will this mess up my hormones long term when I come off of it after 4 weeks?
 
It is suicidal, meaning your levels will just return to normal when you are done taking it. It won't cause rebound.
 
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