Natural Testosterone booster: Tongkat Ali (the real stuff)

[mcr]

I ordered Tongkat Ali extract from Indonesia a couple of times, and though I am a huge skeptic, I feel its effect, which includes elevated mood (could be placebo), better workouts (could be placebo), but what cannot be placebo is that my balls double in size and my penis is bigger than usual (like a half chub all day). I was taking 2000mg/day of 1:50 extract.

Has anyone tried this and can compare to other T boosters? Any blood tests regarding this or other T boosters?

Thanks.

 

[T-Bone]

The stuff has been proven to raise testosterone levels with blood tests and studies. All you have to do is google to find them. Could have done without the comments on your dong and balls though.

 

[mcr]

It was for scientific purposes. As far as natural T boosters go, is there any sort of ranking as to what works best? What would be the top 3? In addition to Tongkat Ali, I tried products like Triazole, Activate xtreme, etc. It's hard to tell witout blood tests, but I'd put tongkat ali at #1 by far, followed maybe by triazole.

 

[Est1969]

I had been taking 200:1 Tongkat Ali doses (600mg, 2x per day).

I definitely experienced a boost in libido and a feeling of well-being. I also got this sensation that my sack was full and heavy. Never noticed any increase in size tho. No blood work to back up the T count.

Never noticed any significant increase of performance in the gym, however. Maybe just a tiny bit, but negligible. But I continued to take the TKA for the boost in libido.

Then I started a cycle of Intimidate and Erase Pro, and my libido surged to the point of distraction. It was ridiculous. I stopped taking all other libido sups (Horny Goat Weed, TKA, Rhodiola, Catauba Bark, in rotation). Now my brain actually has a few other thoughts outside of sex.

Interested in hearing other TKA experiences.

 

[pressureSpike]

Which product you recommend for 200:1 Tongkat Ali (the real stuff)?

 

[Est1969]

I buy mine from a seller on Ebay. He resells 200:1 from US SUMATRA PASAK BUMI. The sellers name is "musemuse"

 

[pressureSpike]

good looking out but that sounds like a mission haha

 

[mcr]

I get it straight from the source, tongkatali.org. It's pretty expensive and I damn well intend on doing a blood test on it so I know what I'm spending money on.

Note: there is evidence that the 200:1 is not much better than the 50:1 extract. Google it. In other words it's definitely not 4 times better. You're better off on a high dose of 50:1.

 

[tnubs]

Wow that is unreasonably expensive. $200+ for a run o.0


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[miniarnold]

I buy mine from a seller on Ebay. He resells 200:1 from US SUMATRA PASAK BUMI. The sellers name is "musemuse"

Worlds number 1 supplier of tkali 100% genuine

 

[miniarnold]

I get it straight from the source, tongkatali.org. It's pretty expensive and I damn well intend on doing a blood test on it so I know what I'm spending money on.

Note: there is evidence that the 200:1 is not much better than the 50:1 extract. Google it. In other words it's definitely not 4 times better. You're better off on a high dose of 50:1.

My cents worth

I have done a bit of research on tkali in the past,
there are only say 2 100% genuine suppliers of tkali and the supplier is use is ACTUALLY THE WORLDS MOST GENUINE NUMBER 1 SUPPLIER THATS A FACT, you have the right stuff there,
i believe the 200:1 extract is stronger as it uses more of the root than the 50:1 extract
IMO the best strongest natural tbooster is tkali, it reduces shbg by approx 1/3 if im correct thus increasing free t, and doesnt cause a negative feedback loop with the pituritary gland like other tboosters and steroids do/can, users report feelings continuing after the cycle of tkali has finished.

The results you have experienced are typical of legit tkali, i think they would increase with a stronger extract,
I am keen to try this as a tbooster in the 200:1 extract, as from what i believe tkali WORKS (given its from the legit source) but i would be prepared for estrogen to shoot up as tkali can boost t beyond natural levels.

You should have done a log of your effects with it along with your training routine and noted your effects

 

[apoxtle]

a log on your penis and balls

 

[miniarnold]

a log on your penis and balls

If you really want to read about those effects then OP may obligue

Just thought a log of his run with tkali may be interesting, ive no doubt the stuff is better than 95-99% of tboosters out there

 

[Athletix]

I actually like that ingredient too but it is hard to find good extracts of it as we have looked into it in the past.

Check out Formula X though, I really think you would like that one and it is by far my favorite Athletix product and our line is pretty much completely geared towards HPTA (until we come out with our fat loss product )

 

[miniarnold]

I actually like that ingredient too but it is hard to find good extracts of it as we have looked into it in the past.

Check out Formula X though, I really think you would like that one and it is by far my favorite Athletix product and our line is pretty much completely geared towards HPTA (until we come out with our fat loss product )

Tongkatali.org worlds number 1 genuine supplier
Have you ever used tkali as a tbooster?
99% of products as you say dont contain the proper stuff most are fakes and copys full of fillers, wont go wrong with the above mentioned source although expensive but apparantly worth the cash

Whats the story of the fat loss product by athletix or is it a long way off?

 

[Athletix]

Whats the story of the fat loss product by athletix or is it a long way off?

We are trying to determine if we want a fat burner or preworkout next. Decisions decisions

 

[T-Bone]

Nutraplanet used to sell something called the horney mac stack which was Maca, HGW, and LJ100. It sold for about $30. Was a great deal. Too bad they took it away.

 

[mcr]

miniarnold seems pretty knowledgeable about tongkat.

Firsthand I can say that it increases sex drive, penis and balls increase in size (google a site called testingtongkatali), but it does not give you significant increases in strength, at least not right away, and not in a major way. It is also reported that free T was increased 3x. I have not done blood test so I cannot verify. If we are to believe the info at that site, the increase in T seems reasonable, ie, you can go from 500 to 1000 or so. I would be perfectly happy with this, especially that there are no side effects.

The best thing we can do as a community is test this using before and after blood tests. I will definitely do this personally and report the results. Without this, all this talk is more or less hot air.

Also, I am surprised how little tongkat is present in some supplements. If you're going to try tongkat, I personally feel an effect at 2000mg/day. I don't know what you get at 200mg if anything at all. It costs me about $150 for a 40 day supply at 2000mg/day. tongkatali.org seems to have authorized resellers now that can sell locally much cheaper.

I sent them money via western union last time because it saves me $20 or so. They could have screwed me, but I did receive the order just like when I paid with a credit card.

I can't find the article where they talked about the 1:50 vs 1:200 extracts. But the reason I order the 1:50 is that you get more bang for your buck. The 1:200 is not 4x better, not even 2x better. I strongly recommend you talk to them before getting the 1:200.

So all anecdotal evidence aside, if blood tests prove this stuff is worth the money, I will make it one of my staples.

 

[miniarnold]

miniarnold seems pretty knowledgeable about tongkat.

Firsthand I can say that it increases sex drive, penis and balls increase in size (google a site called testingtongkatali), but it does not give you significant increases in strength, at least not right away, and not in a major way. It is also reported that free T was increased 3x. I have not done blood test so I cannot verify. If we are to believe the info at that site, the increase in T seems reasonable, ie, you can go from 500 to 1000 or so. I would be perfectly happy with this, especially that there are no side effects.

The best thing we can do as a community is test this using before and after blood tests. I will definitely do this personally and report the results. Without this, all this talk is more or less hot air.

Also, I am surprised how little tongkat is present in some supplements. If you're going to try tongkat, I personally feel an effect at 2000mg/day. I don't know what you get at 200mg if anything at all. It costs me about $150 for a 40 day supply at 2000mg/day. tongkatali.org seems to have authorized resellers now that can sell locally much cheaper.

I sent them money via western union last time because it saves me $20 or so. They could have screwed me, but I did receive the order just like when I paid with a credit card.

I can't find the article where they talked about the 1:50 vs 1:200 extracts. But the reason I order the 1:50 is that you get more bang for your buck. The 1:200 is not 4x better, not even 2x better. I strongly recommend you talk to them before getting the 1:200.

So all anecdotal evidence aside, if blood tests prove this stuff is worth the money, I will make it one of my staples.

You have read some of the same info as i have from testing tongkat ali, i think supp companys dont use it to much as its expensive for the proper stuff, no doubts your 1:50 extract is good enough but i would say the 1:200 extract is lets say more potent, i say this as this is the extract strength i can get from the uk www.tongkatfitness.com (this site has apparant blood work results etc) which comes directly from tongkat.org, i could get the 1:50 extract as you but would have to get over seas shipping, so ill most likely try the 1:200 extract and if its that strong i may be able to use less and make it last longer
I Havent used tkali yet but i will be doing at some point without a doubt.

You should if poss get bloods b4 and after, and also log your experience with it, is this your first time using it, how long have you been on it now, how are you cycling it?

 

[miniarnold]

We are trying to determine if we want a fat burner or preworkout next. Decisions decisions

FLAB burner i think..... with just a strong coffee pre-workout

 

[miniarnold]

Nutraplanet used to sell something called the horney mac stack which was Maca, HGW, and LJ100. It sold for about $30. Was a great deal. Too bad they took it away.

You ever used pure tongkat tbone?

 

[totalpackage]

I will be running some 100:1 root extract TKA from Indonesia from a co. from FL. called Barlowes
Herbals so I will post back after my cycle with my review of it. When you go to Tongkatali.org
they show the retailers here in the states who sell their TKA at a much lower price than they do for
instance you get the 200:1 at Premium Tongkat Cheap for $59.99 and you can get the 50:1
at New Life Alternatives at $34 a jar or $30 a jar if you buy 3 or more. I will be trying the 50:1
in the future but first I will see how good the 100:1 root extract at 500mg per capsule works out.
There is also another co. in Canada called Root of The Matter and they are selling a TKA 100:1
100% water extract from Indonesia at 50mg capsules for $30 a jar or $28 a jar if you buy 3 and another
20% off on top of that so it works out for 3 jars and shipping to only $75 but I have search the internet
so see if anyone posted any reviews on this TKA but I found nothing. If anyone has any experience with
any of these brands of TKA please feel free to share I would love to find out more info.

 

[tnotch10]

Don't want to high jack the thread but ever since i heard about it and did some research, i was thinking about stacking it with an A.I, anybody done similar stack?

 

[mcr]

You should if poss get bloods b4 and after, and also log your experience with it, is this your first time using it, how long have you been on it now, how are you cycling it?

I did one complete cycle of 1:50 extract 2000mg/day for 40 days, however at the same time I started a medication called Lyrica which screwed up my hormone balance and made me insanely hungry. So I did get bigger but I can't say which effects were due to tka.

I will try another cycle in a month.

 

[miniarnold]

I did one complete cycle of 1:50 extract 2000mg/day for 40 days, however at the same time I started a medication called Lyrica which screwed up my hormone balance and made me insanely hungry. So I did get bigger but I can't say which effects were due to tka.

I will try another cycle in a month.

Do it, and log it pm me when you do

 

[miniarnold]

I will be running some 100:1 root extract TKA from Indonesia from a co. from FL. called Barlowes
Herbals so I will post back after my cycle with my review of it. When you go to Tongkatali.org
they show the retailers here in the states who sell their TKA at a much lower price than they do for
instance you get the 200:1 at Premium Tongkat Cheap for $59.99 and you can get the 50:1
at New Life Alternatives at $34 a jar or $30 a jar if you buy 3 or more. I will be trying the 50:1
in the future but first I will see how good the 100:1 root extract at 500mg per capsule works out.
There is also another co. in Canada called Root of The Matter and they are selling a TKA 100:1
100% water extract from Indonesia at 50mg capsules for $30 a jar or $28 a jar if you buy 3 and another
20% off on top of that so it works out for 3 jars and shipping to only $75 but I have search the internet
so see if anyone posted any reviews on this TKA but I found nothing. If anyone has any experience with
any of these brands of TKA please feel free to share I would love to find out more info.

If all those retailers are supplied by tongkatali.org you should be good to go

 

[miniarnold]

Don't want to high jack the thread but ever since i heard about it and did some research, i was thinking about stacking it with an A.I, anybody done similar stack?

I would likely expect to have to use an ai, as it increases free t

 

[mcr]

I would likely expect to have to use an ai, as it increases free t

If we are to believe a website called testingtongkatali, tka raised free T three fold in one documented case with blood work.

If anyone is going to run tests and post bloods, please do it with tka only the first time. If you run more than one thing, no way to know which product caused what effect.

 

[Austin118]

I'm running tongkat 1:200 with erase as we speak! Only been 6 days in so haven't felt nothing yet, will let you know by the end of this cycle how my results go!

 

[tnotch10]

I'm running tongkat 1:200 with erase as we speak! Only been 6 days in so haven't felt nothing yet, will let you know by the end of this cycle how my results go!

Erase was one of the supp i was thinking about using it with, keep us posted

 

[miniarnold]

I'm running tongkat 1:200 with erase as we speak! Only been 6 days in so haven't felt nothing yet, will let you know by the end of this cycle how my results go!

But you wont be able to atribute any effects to just tkali as erase is strong and boosts t also

 

[miniarnold]

If we are to believe a website called testingtongkatali, tka raised free T three fold in one documented case with blood work.

If anyone is going to run tests and post bloods, please do it with tka only the first time. If you run more than one thing, no way to know which product caused what effect.

Agreed, run tkali solo and if poss with bloods to compare and refer to

 

[tnotch10]

Agreed, run tkali solo and if poss with bloods to compare and refer to

Wouldn't you be worried about estrogen if this is so potent? or an AI can be used right after?

 

[miniarnold]

Wouldn't you be worried about estrogen if this is so potent? or an AI can be used right after?

Sorry i mean intend to run it solo, and if estrogen becomes a prob then run a natty ai with it, but run it for as long as poss solo, thats what id do some may not need an ai, but its likely if it is so effective at raising free t

 

[tnotch10]

Sorry i mean intend to run it solo, and if estrogen becomes a prob then run a natty ai with it, but run it for as long as poss solo, thats what id do some may not need an ai, but its likely if it is so effective at raising free t

Thanks

 

[HondaV65]

I've run TKA several times in the past and I love it.

Problem is ... it's pornographically expensive.

 

[mcr]

How is it expensive? $100/month for something that is safe and effective, vs steroid prices and side effects/pct? Of course it's not as effective as steroids, but considering the price and no side effects, tka is practically free.

 

[Austin118]

But you wont be able to atribute any effects to just tkali as erase is strong and boosts t also

I need all the help I can get, to explain myself when I say that....basically 5 years ago I lost weight and my system crashed.....no libido, no Boners nothing, Trying to avoid TRT and I've used tons of t boosters so far all have failed! Hoping this works

 

[HondaV65]

How is it expensive? $100/month for something that is safe and effective, vs steroid prices and side effects/pct? Of course it's not as effective as steroids, but considering the price and no side effects, tka is practically free.

1. Some of the prices I've seen are OVER $100 / month if you go for the 200:1. Even given your estimate of $100 - that's still $1,200.00 per year and that's NOT "practically free".

2. You said it best - it's not as effective as steroids - so why even make the comparison?

3. This **** is coming from overseas and it's being sold by god-knows-who. Who's to say that's legit TKA in many cases?

4. Though the TKA I got sure worked, and was expensive - it's never done more than a simple stack of DAA + Yohimbine HCL, and those are MUCH cheaper.

Having said that - I don't like the sides you get with Yohimbine and that's why I prefer TKA. However, I damn sure won't be using it as a staple when the cost for 100 caps is over $100.00.

 

[totalpackage]

Take a look at some of the info that I posted on TKA you can get it for less than $100 a month and this
is the legit stuff because these are a few of the resellers here in the states that are authorized to sell
the same TKA from Tongkatali.net. I will be running the 100:1 root extract from Barlowes Herbals for 6
weeks without any other test boosters so I will know how well it works. Then I will take 3 weeks off from
TKA and then I will be running one of my favorite for the summer Diesel Test Hardcore and I already know
how well that works for me.

 

[totalpackage]

I always like to experiment with different herbal test boosters but I always to go back to
my personal favorite Diesel Test Hardcore because it always lives up to it's name aka "Grande Bolas"
big balls for anyone who doesn't understand the meaning.

 

[miniarnold]

I need all the help I can get, to explain myself when I say that....basically 5 years ago I lost weight and my system crashed.....no libido, no Boners nothing, Trying to avoid TRT and I've used tons of t boosters so far all have failed! Hoping this works

Understood, but tkali may do the job and get you feeling better again without the need for erase, you should see how you go with just tkat to access then throw in erase if you feel you need more
Have you started tkat did you buy from a reputable supplier, maybe you should do some sort of log with your experience of just tongkat?
If i was to only try one natural otc t booster of any kind it would be pure tkali from a 100% genuine source

Have read reviews that it helps men with low t. www.tongkatfitness.com an interesting read on there

 

[miniarnold]

If purchasing tkat then it must be a seller who is supplied directly by sumatra pasak bumi (tongkatali.org) they are the worlds 100% genuine supplier, 99% of other suppliers are bogus and fakes
I extremely doubt that ANY supp containing tongkat contains the 100% genuine extract from the only one or 2 legit sources, its just to expensive to use in a cheap or moderatly priced supplement,
i guess if people have used from a different supplier than the above there would be a difference in quality and effect imo

 

[Austin118]

Understood, but tkali may do the job and get you feeling better again without the need for erase, you should see how you go with just tkat to access then throw in erase if you feel you need more
Have you started tkat did you buy from a reputable supplier, maybe you should do some sort of log with your experience of just tongkat?
If i was to only try one natural otc t booster of any kind it would be pure tkali from a 100% genuine source

Have read reviews that it helps men with low t. www.tongkatfitness.com an interesting read on there

Hey Bro I got mine from where you stated tongkat fitness I'm using the world ABS Stack but I'm also stacking it with lipotrophin am/pm and forskolin 95% because I'm gaining weight without having too eat much! After this 1 month I will be running tongkat solo

 

[miniarnold]

Hey Bro I got mine from where you stated tongkat fitness I'm using the world ABS Stack but I'm also stacking it with lipotrophin am/pm and forskolin 95% because I'm gaining weight without having too eat much! After this 1 month I will be running tongkat solo

Ok, when you run it solo log it and put the link up here, thats the supplier i will be buying from (they only sell 1:200 extract as you know)

 

[hyperCat]

Firsthand I can say that it increases sex drive, penis and balls increase in size (google a site called testingtongkatali), but it does not give you significant increases in strength, at least not right away, and not in a major way. It is also reported that free T was increased 3x.

Can someone explain this? Why would such an increase in free test not result in any significant strength increase? Are there other hormonal pathways that don't get triggered that would be responsible for making one stronger? I know that herbal t-boosters don't behave at all like steroids, but if something makes your free T go from 300 to 700, wouldn't you get stronger?

 

[tnubs]

Can someone explain this? Why would such an increase in free test not result in any significant strength increase? Are there other hormonal pathways that don't get triggered that would be responsible for making one stronger? I know that herbal t-boosters don't behave at all like steroids, but if something makes your free T go from 300 to 700, wouldn't you get stronger?

the change wont be that dramatic unless you were previously being suppressed by steroids. but there are also factors that come into play. if your test level goes up that much, it will be bound to shbg. i havnt seen the studies on tongkat, but if u can raise your free test that dramatically, and you lower estrogen a little, you should see gains.

 

[JudgementDay]

We are trying to determine if we want a fat burner or preworkout next. Decisions decisions

I'm going to send him an email that says "PRE-WORKOUT" 100 times a day until he either blocks me or picks the pre-workout :hammer: lol

 

[miniarnold]

the change wont be that dramatic unless you were previously being suppressed by steroids. but there are also factors that come into play. if your test level goes up that much, it will be bound to shbg. i havnt seen the studies on tongkat, but if u can raise your free test that dramatically, and you lower estrogen a little, you should see gains.

tongkat is supposed to actully reduce shbg by approx a 1/3 thus increasing free t, as you say estrogen will likely need to be in check with such a raise in free t

I would expect to be feeling something if free t increases by 400, after all thats the "active amount of usable t in our bodys, not total"

 

[ST09]

I ordered Tongkat Ali extract from Indonesia a couple of times, and though I am a huge skeptic, I feel its effect, which includes elevated mood (could be placebo), better workouts (could be placebo), but what cannot be placebo is that my balls double in size and my penis is bigger than usual (like a half chub all day). I was taking 2000mg/day of 1:50 extract.

Has anyone tried this and can compare to other T boosters? Any blood tests regarding this or other T boosters?

Thanks.

did you use any type of cycling like 7 days on 4 days off ?