Natadrol vs Prime

strategicmove said:
With all due respect, PRIME is not "massively overpriced" and does not have that many "non-responders" at the recommended dosage. [We have had users asking if they could take one capsule of PRIME three times daily, to "stretch" the bottle!!! At such doses, "non-response" is inevitable. This is not to imply, though, that all cases of PRIME non-response are traceable to underdosing]. Although there are PRIME sales from time to time at NutraPlanet, it is not practical to expect high-quality pharmaceutical grade herbal products to be available at rock-bottom prices, especially if their active ingredients are hard to source.
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Hmmm, as always your post is well thought out, i admire that. But rock bottom is not what i meant. "fair" is a better description. The supplememnt industry must be the only retail sector on earth that sells you a "maybe". When i go to my mechanic he doesn't take my money and say "I'll try service your car" a Liquor store doesn't sell someone a bottle of jacks and say "this might get you drunk were not sure"
I just beleive prices of NATURAL supplememnts are out of hand. and even if I were to accept the price of herbals justifies this, then how do you explain the fact that every companies product seems to run out JUST before you can do a resonable stretch on said product? forcing you to always buy at least 2 bottles. Coincedence? come on Strat. These are all strategies (no pun intended) to maximise profits.
Of course a company must profit! otherwise why be in business! However These products are not hormonal, and are not garaunteed to give results, and as such should be priced accordingly. At the very least more sales, or discount for buying bulk.
PS....and with all due respect, with best sellers all over the place I highly doubt USP labs are hard up for a dollar if you know what I mean. The average hard working person however...
 
hoopem6 said:
While much of your post holds merit, quoting studies from 50 years ago vastly undermines scientific/technological advancements...

Regarding placebo: how would you factor in non-responders, side-effects, or even user experience? How would you explain beta-testing, where users are unaware of product claims? What about those who have no expectations of what to expect?

Also - I personally believe logs are not only informative, but extremely helpful. Yes, everyone is going to respond differently... But, personal user experience also helps gauge a supplements overall efficacy.
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Agreed.
 
fidget324 said:
StrategicMove - I looked at the Penn State study done on Prime and share your disappointment. However, if you really want to legitimize Prime, there's a very easy way! To quote my post from about a week ago (which I'm pissed only one person commented on):

"Ok, let me moderate this argument a bit. Yes, 99% of people on this board do love their sups (including myself) and rely on them on a daily basis. Slimcharles has a faulty argument because he has absolutely no data backing his claims, so just ignore him. People like Army Guy, however, do cite data, but it is not at all reliable data. Let me explain why:

Logs do not actually prove anything about a supplement, no matter how detailed they are or how many people are logging a particular product with positive results. I do statistical analysis on climate change and agriculture at my college, and read numerous studies on everything from the environment to world economic trends to personal health and medicine on a daily basis. From my readings on medicine, I can tell you that the placebo effect has ENORMOUS power in all regards to personal health.

To cite one specific example, in 1949 Dr. Stewart Wolf of the Cornell Medical Center investigated the placebo effect in pregnant women affected by nausea. He gave multiple women suffering from nausea a substance that he claimed was a "new, strong, very effective anti-sickness" drug, and in each woman the nausea had completely dissipated within 20 minutes of ingestion. Ironically, This miracle drug was actually Ipecac, a common vomit inducer. It is important to note that each woman had been given Ipecac on several occasions in the weeks prior (but disguised with a different flavor) and vomited on each occasion. In case you were wondering, the flavor of Ipecac has no impact on its effectiveness. (1)

Placebos have proven to hold many other powers, including curing depression and killing pain equally as well as a moderate dose of morphine. The power of placebos has also been correlated to factors such as their cost, hype, and form (ex. sugar water injections are more effective than sugar pills).

So how do we know what really works? Not logs, no sir. Double-blind studies testing a product directly against a placebo of the same form in a highly controlled setting is the only real way to know what works and what doesn't. Unfortunately, 99% of the supplements out there aren't backed by studies at all. The ones that are include whey protein, creatine monohydrate, beta alanine, GPLC, and a few others.

To conclude, you're all wrong. We don't really know if natadrol or prime are placebos or the real deal. We may see increased strength, size, muscle density, etc. while taking them, but the power of the mind to create a reality out of a forgery cannot be overestimated. Just some food for thought.

(1) Wolf S, "Effects of Suggestion and Conditioning on the Action of Chemical Agents in Human Subjects: The Pharmacology of Placebos", Journal of Clinical Investigation 1950 Jan; 29(1):100-09. "


If USP were to conduct such a double-blind placebo study and find that Prime subjects gained more size/strength than placebo subjects, this would be the end of all controversy! Who would really care how it works as long as there are no side effects?
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hoopem6 said:
While much of your post holds merit, quoting studies from 50 years ago vastly undermines scientific/technological advancements...

Regarding placebo: how would you factor in non-responders, side-effects, or even user experience? How would you explain beta-testing, where users are unaware of product claims? What about those who have no expectations of what to expect?

Also - I personally believe logs are not only informative, but extremely helpful. Yes, everyone is going to respond differently... But, personal user experience also helps gauge a supplements overall efficacy.
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VolcomX311 said:
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With this one it is 7 responses to your post Bro. Did you only go through and look for your words being quoted? :pokey: :biglaugh: Picking...
I spent a good amount of time commenting on it in post 137 and find the study interesting on the subject of the power of the mind very interesting. Yet I do not think many people have immediate belief that a natural supp will give them awesome gains, there is doubt in my mind every time I try a new product. I have an outlook I like to call Optimistic Skepticism. I am hopeful but but not convinced until I have experienced said benefits for myself.
 
Well so far on day 18 of Natadrol (6 caps per day) and feeling nothing yet, which prolly aint good since most users feel something fairly quick. Only side effect I got was increased urination during the first few days.

However with Prime it takes roughly three weeks before I really get anything from it, so Ill continue with the second bottle and if I don't get any thing out of that, I'll sell my other bottle and write the product as a dud for me... "sigh"
 
travbedaman said:
Well so far on day 18 of Natadrol (6 caps per day) and feeling nothing yet, which prolly aint good since most users feel something fairly quick. Only side effect I got was increased urination during the first few days.

However with Prime it takes roughly three weeks before I really get anything from it, so Ill continue with the second bottle and if I don't get any thing out of that, I'll sell my other bottle and write the product as a dud for me... "sigh"
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I "see" it more than "feel" it, although I do have extra aggression. The recomp on Natadrol is intense for me thus far.
 
travbedaman said:
Well so far on day 18 of Natadrol (6 caps per day) and feeling nothing yet, which prolly aint good since most users feel something fairly quick. Only side effect I got was increased urination during the first few days.

However with Prime it takes roughly three weeks before I really get anything from it, so Ill continue with the second bottle and if I don't get any thing out of that, I'll sell my other bottle and write the product as a dud for me... "sigh"
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Up it to 8 caps a day and see how that feels. If you are gunna sell it if you dont like it, i'll buy it off ya.
 
I did on the back the first time I took it. Not a ton, but the ones that were there were pretty deep... somethings are worth a little discomfort though... and Nata at high dosing is one of them!!!
 
hoopem6 said:
While much of your post holds merit, quoting studies from 50 years ago vastly undermines scientific/technological advancements...

Regarding placebo: how would you factor in non-responders, side-effects, or even user experience? How would you explain beta-testing, where users are unaware of product claims? What about those who have no expectations of what to expect?

Also - I personally believe logs are not only informative, but extremely helpful. Yes, everyone is going to respond differently... But, personal user experience also helps gauge a supplements overall efficacy.
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I quoted that study because it was particularly interesting in the respect that a medicine used to invoke nausea was used to cure nausea by means of the placebo effect. The placebo effect has not changed over the past 50 years, and it never will. Numerous studies are still being done on this phenomenon; I just thought that Dr. Wolf's case was particularly interesting.

As for your doubts about the double-blind placebo test, you are correct. It is not perfect. But no science of medicine truly is. The fact is that pharmaceutical companies, evil as they may seem, have fabricated treatments of astounding ability over the past 100+ years. They spend BILLIONS of dollars determining effects, side effects, dosages, etc. How do they do this? Double-blind controlled placebo studies measured to a p-value < .001 (meaning that a medicine must yield an extreme contrast versus placebo to be concluded effective). It is not a perfect method, but it is universally considered to be the best method.

Let's say you head a research team working for Merck and are put to the task of testing a new medication for depression victims. You give your subjects a base dosage of the medication and have them log the results, and a majority claim to feel much better on the medication. You then present the findings to Merck's board of directors. They laugh at you for ten minutes, then fire you. The end.
 
fidget324 said:
I quoted that study because it was particularly interesting in the respect that a medicine used to invoke nausea was used to cure nausea by means of the placebo effect. The placebo effect has not changed over the past 50 years, and it never will. Numerous studies are still being done on this phenomenon; I just thought that Dr. Wolf's case was particularly interesting.

As for your doubts about the double-blind placebo test, you are correct. It is not perfect. But no science of medicine truly is. The fact is that pharmaceutical companies, evil as they may seem, have fabricated treatments of astounding ability over the past 100+ years. They spend BILLIONS of dollars determining effects, side effects, dosages, etc. How do they do this? Double-blind controlled placebo studies measured to a p-value < .001 (meaning that a medicine must yield an extreme contrast versus placebo to be concluded effective). It is not a perfect method, but it is universally considered to be the best method.

Let's say you head a research team working for Merck and are put to the task of testing a new medication for depression victims. You give your subjects a base dosage of the medication and have them log the results, and a majority claim to feel much better on the medication. You then present the findings to Merck's board of directors. They laugh at you for ten minutes, then fire you. The end.
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The pharmaceutical industry is also government funded... While I agree your situational argument is ideal, a comparison between their practices and regulations is inequitable.

Personally, I'd much rather have food sources undergo "double-blind placebo studies" than supplements.
 
hoopem6 said:
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Hmm... I purchased OxyElite Pro, an advertised "pharmacist formulated super thermogenic," for $24 shipped (non-sale item). In fact, Prime and Recreate can readily be found at the $25-$30 price range...
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If these are truly non-sale prices, especially for PRIME and OxyELITE Pro, then I can only hope they are the real thing!
 
fidget324 said:
StrategicMove - I looked at the Penn State study done on Prime and share your disappointment. However, if you really want to legitimize Prime, there's a very easy way! To quote my post from about a week ago (which I'm pissed only one person commented on):

"Ok, let me moderate this argument a bit. Yes, 99% of people on this board do love their sups (including myself) and rely on them on a daily basis. Slimcharles has a faulty argument because he has absolutely no data backing his claims, so just ignore him. People like Army Guy, however, do cite data, but it is not at all reliable data. Let me explain why:

Logs do not actually prove anything about a supplement, no matter how detailed they are or how many people are logging a particular product with positive results. I do statistical analysis on climate change and agriculture at my college, and read numerous studies on everything from the environment to world economic trends to personal health and medicine on a daily basis. From my readings on medicine, I can tell you that the placebo effect has ENORMOUS power in all regards to personal health.

To cite one specific example, in 1949 Dr. Stewart Wolf of the Cornell Medical Center investigated the placebo effect in pregnant women affected by nausea. He gave multiple women suffering from nausea a substance that he claimed was a "new, strong, very effective anti-sickness" drug, and in each woman the nausea had completely dissipated within 20 minutes of ingestion. Ironically, This miracle drug was actually Ipecac, a common vomit inducer. It is important to note that each woman had been given Ipecac on several occasions in the weeks prior (but disguised with a different flavor) and vomited on each occasion. In case you were wondering, the flavor of Ipecac has no impact on its effectiveness. (1)

Placebos have proven to hold many other powers, including curing depression and killing pain equally as well as a moderate dose of morphine. The power of placebos has also been correlated to factors such as their cost, hype, and form (ex. sugar water injections are more effective than sugar pills).

So how do we know what really works? Not logs, no sir. Double-blind studies testing a product directly against a placebo of the same form in a highly controlled setting is the only real way to know what works and what doesn't. Unfortunately, 99% of the supplements out there aren't backed by studies at all. The ones that are include whey protein, creatine monohydrate, beta alanine, GPLC, and a few others.

To conclude, you're all wrong. We don't really know if natadrol or prime are placebos or the real deal. We may see increased strength, size, muscle density, etc. while taking them, but the power of the mind to create a reality out of a forgery cannot be overestimated. Just some food for thought.

(1) Wolf S, "Effects of Suggestion and Conditioning on the Action of Chemical Agents in Human Subjects: The Pharmacology of Placebos", Journal of Clinical Investigation 1950 Jan; 29(1):100-09. "


If USP were to conduct such a double-blind placebo study and find that Prime subjects gained more size/strength than placebo subjects, this would be the end of all controversy! Who would really care how it works as long as there are no side effects?
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There is no contention that double-blind placebo-controlled studies are the gold standard for determining objective compound or product efficacy. Yet, for supplement companies, the required resources for conducting such properly designed trials with a statistically significant sample size (trials on herbal products tend to require a large sample size) are not trivial. Furthermore, the lack (or dearth) of studies or standardized trials behind specific ingredients does not automatically suggest these ingredients cannot provoke desired pharmacological effects. In any case, double-blind placebo controlled studies are far from perfect. In particular, as you know, even properly designed double-blind placebo-controlled studies may still be hard to conduct and their results hard to interprete, especially when participants are able to break the blind, that is when they can tell if they are getting the placebo or the non-placebo, either due to the side effects they may be experiencing, or even from the taste/smell of the placebo versus non-placebo blends. Furthermore, the results of a well-designed double-blind placebo-controlled study may lack statistical significance, and consequently fail to convey any analytical value. Apart from this, the sample used in a double-blind placebo-controlled trial may lack representativeness of the larger population, thus compromising the generalization of the obtained results. And so on. So, while double-blind placebo-controlled studies are at the apex of research, they are not without fault, if they are not properly designed and executed.

While I agree some logs may lack objectivity, and while I would ideally prefer a properly designed and sufficiently large double-blind placebo-controlled trial, I reject the notion that all logs are worthless. Many loggers are experienced bodybuilders and athletes with their training and diet under control. For such individuals, it is not inconceivable that they would be able to tell how the addition of a specific compound or product to their daily ritual affects their results. Anecdotal evidence from such loggers or product testers will continue to be sought after, and is likely to remain an important part of product-efficacy tests in the supplement industry.
 
strategicmove said:
If these are truly non-sale prices, especially for PRIME and OxyELITE Pro, then I can only hope they are the real thing!
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Regarding my previous post, including Prime in that price category was an accidental typo. However, the OxyElite Pro I purchased for $24 shipped is 100% authentic (sealed externally/internally, accurate pill design/color scheme, etc.). Still, I'd say the average online price for OxyElite Pro (from a reputable online dealer) is $25-$30 + s/h...
 
ProteinMurder said:
Hmmm, as always your post is well thought out, i admire that. But rock bottom is not what i meant. "fair" is a better description. The supplememnt industry must be the only retail sector on earth that sells you a "maybe". When i go to my mechanic he doesn't take my money and say "I'll try service your car" a Liquor store doesn't sell someone a bottle of jacks and say "this might get you drunk were not sure"
I just beleive prices of NATURAL supplememnts are out of hand. and even if I were to accept the price of herbals justifies this, then how do you explain the fact that every companies product seems to run out JUST before you can do a resonable stretch on said product? forcing you to always buy at least 2 bottles. Coincedence? come on Strat. These are all strategies (no pun intended) to maximise profits.
Of course a company must profit! otherwise why be in business! However These products are not hormonal, and are not garaunteed to give results, and as such should be priced accordingly. At the very least more sales, or discount for buying bulk.
PS....and with all due respect, with best sellers all over the place I highly doubt USP labs are hard up for a dollar if you know what I mean. The average hard working person however...
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The analogy with the mechanic was unfair. A motor car is a complex, mechanical system with a generally predictable (cause-effect) behaviour. If the mechanic has sufficient skills, and if he has demonstrably successfully applied his skills to other cars in a similar situation as yours, he should be able to restore your car to a functional state. On the other hand, the human body is a complex biological system with a generally less predictable cause-effect response pattern. If a supplement has been demonstrated to have been effective for other users, there is still no guarantee that it will work for everyone. So, there is a discontinuity in the mechanic-supplement analogy. The supplement industry will remain a "maybe" (to use your term), because our biology, genetics, lifestyle, and environment dictate our specific response to supplements. Fact of life.

Even the "Jack" example is shaky! The amount that gets A drunk may not necessarily get B drunk, yet A does not get the bottle for a discount!

As for the suggested "profit maximization strategy", we may want to recall that herbal products do not usually exert an acute effect. Rather, they induce cumulative effects, making it advisable to use them for longer than just a few weeks. This is not to suggest, though, that users do not feel the maximum effects of the products before the first bottle runs out.
 
MrKleen73 said:
NATABOLIC PRIME that sounds like a new character for the Transformers which would be a great idea for a log. Who's gonna run it? C'Mon, C'Mon!!!! XYZ Transforms with NATABOLIC PRIME not for your typical Go-Bot.
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I thought you couldn't stack Natadrol and PRIME? I would definitely consider stacking the two and possibly logging it.
 
ex-tightend83 said:
I thought you couldn't stack Natadrol and PRIME? I would definitely consider stacking the two and possibly logging it.
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Absolutely and they would comliment each other. Prime is an anabolic supplement and Natadrol is an Androgenic supplement they would play into each other like spaghetti and meat balls.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Absolutely and they would comliment each other. Prime is an anabolic supplement and Natadrol is an Androgenic supplement they would play into each other like spaghetti and meat balls.
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Any ideas on dosages for this, especially for my size? I am purchasing four bottles of Natadrol on Monday...I had decided to do a stack of Natadrol/Ghenerate/Androhard or Dermacrine by PP, but I may change this. Would you suggest the CEO dosing of Prime? I have four-and-a-half 150-count bottles of the 33% stronger variety.
 
prime is a racket.

no one aside from people with a lot of money to throw around and USP affiliates are on board with having to double dose some herb to '' feel something''.

of course, if mediocre results for 100$ is your thing , by all means.


haven't tried natadrol though.
 
ex-tightend83 said:
Any ideas on dosages for this, especially for my size? I am purchasing four bottles of Natadrol on Monday...I had decided to do a stack of Natadrol/Ghenerate/Androhard or Dermacrine by PP, but I may change this. Would you suggest the CEO dosing of Prime? I have four-and-a-half 150-count bottles of the 33% stronger variety.
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I would dose Natadrol at 8-10 caps, even at your weight.

Right now i'm logging Natadrol and Methyl Masterdrol, so far it's treating me pretty well. I'm on day 16 and i'm actually starting to be happy with the results for sure.

I'm not sure dosing Androhard (or MM) that you would necessarily benefit as much from putting PRIME ontop of it though. Natadrol/Androhard should be a real solid stack for you alone.
 
soontobbeast said:
prime is a racket.

no one aside from people with a lot of money to throw around and USP affiliates are on board with having to double dose some herb to '' feel something''.

of course, if mediocre results for 100$ is your thing , by all means.


haven't tried natadrol though.
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Stay with facts, not wild speculation! The regular PRIME dose is six capsules per day. I have never heard that users need twelve capsules daily to "feel something". If you bothered to read the posts in this thread, you would have seen comments from satisfied PRIME users at six capsules per day. And their results were not "mediocre".
 
Irish Cannon said:
Is anyone else getting acne on Natadrol? - There is no doubt that this is androgenic.
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Oh look an LG rep says so. There is no doubt that it is NOT androgenic. LG is such a laughable company. Weren't you the same rep that said LG is making something more powerful than letrozole? What a riot.
 
ProteinMurder said:
Hmmm, as always your post is well thought out, i admire that. But rock bottom is not what i meant. "fair" is a better description. The supplememnt industry must be the only retail sector on earth that sells you a "maybe". When i go to my mechanic he doesn't take my money and say "I'll try service your car" a Liquor store doesn't sell someone a bottle of jacks and say "this might get you drunk were not sure"
I just beleive prices of NATURAL supplememnts are out of hand. and even if I were to accept the price of herbals justifies this, then how do you explain the fact that every companies product seems to run out JUST before you can do a resonable stretch on said product? forcing you to always buy at least 2 bottles. Coincedence? come on Strat. These are all strategies (no pun intended) to maximise profits.
Of course a company must profit! otherwise why be in business! However These products are not hormonal, and are not garaunteed to give results, and as such should be priced accordingly. At the very least more sales, or discount for buying bulk.
PS....and with all due respect, with best sellers all over the place I highly doubt USP labs are hard up for a dollar if you know what I mean. The average hard working person however...
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If a piston head is blown, then you replace the piston head, problem solved.

If someone has a heart attack, they can do a bypass or replacement but there will be a tremendous amount of side effects which will go along with that and recovery will be seriously hard. The body, contrary, is not a machine (technically), it has variants which can do a 360 at anytime, whereas, a car, if the mechanic is worth a damn, will fix it, problem solved. Of course the machine can be a lemon and have several problems, all of which can be fixed if the person has the cash to pay.
 
soontobbeast said:
prime is a racket.

no one aside from people with a lot of money to throw around and USP affiliates are on board with having to double dose some herb to '' feel something''.

of course, if mediocre results for 100$ is your thing , by all means.


haven't tried natadrol though.
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You can "feel" something on one bottle, at least I did when i was using it back when.

What you have to remember is that you are not taking a "steroid" so do not expect steroid gains specifically. However, with the appropriate diet and lifting, you can and will "see" some significant changes in your physique.
 
bigjeff200 said:
Can you guys help me out on this one.
Thanks
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take usplabs prime but mega dose it like this:

6/9 for 4 weeks

9/12 for 2 weeks

12/15 for 2 weeks

15/18 for 2 weeks

18/21 for final 2 weeks.

I'm not affiliated with usplabs but this is the right way to dose prime if your a non-responder. you can go longer for 16 weeks(21/24 for weeks 13&14, 24/27 for weeks 15&16) but if you do just take 6 weeks off if you mega dose it for 12 weeks and 8 weeks if you mega dose it for 16 weeks.
 
is natadrol and formestane a good stack... thinkinag about starting it up
 
risktaker said:
take usplabs prime but mega dose it like this:

6/9 for 4 weeks

9/12 for 2 weeks

12/15 for 2 weeks

15/18 for 2 weeks

18/21 for final 2 weeks.

I'm not affiliated with usplabs but this is the right way to dose prime if your a non-responder. you can go longer for 16 weeks(21/24 for weeks 13&14, 24/27 for weeks 15&16) but if you do just take 6 weeks off if you mega dose it for 12 weeks and 8 weeks if you mega dose it for 16 weeks.
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I am not quite comfortable with this recommendation. If one is a true non-responder [that does not obtain the expected pharmacological effects from the specific compound or supplement], then mega-dosing that nutrient or supplement would not be recommended, as it would be a waste.
 
strategicmove said:
I am not quite comfortable with this recommendation. If one is a true non-responder [that does not obtain the expected pharmacological effects from the specific compound or supplement], then mega-dosing that nutrient or supplement would not be recommended, as it would be a waste.
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is there a specific reason why this "non responder" issue seems so prevalent? just wondering what about the product would allow a user to have no noticeable effects.
 
T H E O R E M said:
is there a specific reason why this "non responder" issue seems so prevalent? just wondering what about the product would allow a user to have no noticeable effects.
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Are you referring to any specific product?
 
risktaker said:
take usplabs prime but mega dose it like this:

6/9 for 4 weeks

9/12 for 2 weeks

12/15 for 2 weeks

15/18 for 2 weeks

18/21 for final 2 weeks.

I'm not affiliated with usplabs but this is the right way to dose prime if your a non-responder. you can go longer for 16 weeks(21/24 for weeks 13&14, 24/27 for weeks 15&16) but if you do just take 6 weeks off if you mega dose it for 12 weeks and 8 weeks if you mega dose it for 16 weeks.
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Too rich for my blood.
 
Killerkanadia said:
Too rich for my blood.
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hey is the only way prime works, more is better that is what I always say.

Oh and if your a usplabs fan, wait for pink magic for IC release and trust me I heard that is more PowerFull than prime and anabolic pump and could possibly be a prime/anabolic pump clone. And if you mega dose pink, then your sleep will be affected.
 
risktaker said:
take usplabs prime but mega dose it like this:

6/9 for 4 weeks

9/12 for 2 weeks

12/15 for 2 weeks

15/18 for 2 weeks

18/21 for final 2 weeks.

I'm not affiliated with usplabs but this is the right way to dose prime if your a non-responder. you can go longer for 16 weeks(21/24 for weeks 13&14, 24/27 for weeks 15&16) but if you do just take 6 weeks off if you mega dose it for 12 weeks and 8 weeks if you mega dose it for 16 weeks.
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Good Lord! I can only imagine how many bottles that would take.
 
ex-tightend83 said:
Good Lord! I can only imagine how many bottles that would take.
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it takes about three 150 caps bottles, I'm mega dose it right now but doing it for 6 weeks, I work my way towards 18/21 by megadosing it every single week until week 6 and it's working already, puttin up strength numbers like crazy.
 
Killerkanadia said:
But you could spend that money on a product you do respond well to at normal dose. What ever's clever though.
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I respond to prime fast so I figure that more is better which equals to better gains and less fat, be a member at thier forum and ask them about the mega dosing.
 
If you dose it for 12 weeks as you showed, you would easily need 8 or 9 bottles.

I would need to see people with steroid like growth to go through $40 worth of pills in a week. (the last weeks)
 
Killerkanadia said:
If you dose it for 12 weeks as you showed, you would easily need 8 or 9 bottles.

I would need to see people with steroid like growth to go through $40 worth of pills in a week. (the last weeks)
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mega dose it yourself and see how many bottles will last you.
 
Killerkanadia said:
If you dose it for 12 weeks as you showed, you would easily need 8 or 9 bottles.

I would need to see people with steroid like growth to go through $40 worth of pills in a week. (the last weeks)
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That's what I thought. I wasn't a math major, but I have 4 1/2 of the 150-count bottles and that doesn't seem like it would be enough at the dosages you suggested for a 12-week megadose cycle. I would think I would need at least another two or three bottles.
 
This guy HAS to work for USP. I just did the math. I currently work out six days per week, so his 12-week protocol at the recommended doses would require me to purchase 1800 caps or 12 150-count bottles. Wow. Sure, maybe if I hit the lottery again! Then again, I've already got 4 1/2 bottles, which equals 660 caps, so I only need another 1140 caps. How many bottles is that? :thinking:....
 
Nah, i just did the math again. If you take the lower dose, 7 days a week(copensates for higher doses on workout days) it comes out to 924 caps. 8.3 bottles of 120 count.
 
ex-tightend83 said:
This guy HAS to work for USP. I just did the math. I currently work out six days per week, so his 12-week protocol at the recommended doses would require me to purchase 1800 caps or 12 150-count bottles. Wow. Sure, maybe if I hit the lottery again! Then again, I've already got 4 1/2 bottles, which equals 660 caps, so I only need another 1140 caps. How many bottles is that? :thinking:....
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I don't work with usplabs.
 
Killerkanadia said:
Nah, i just did the math again. If you take the lower dose, 7 days a week(copensates for higher doses on workout days) it comes out to 924 caps. 8.3 bottles of 120 count.
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Right. Your math is correct if you take the LOWER dose. I was just going by what his protocol entailed. If I did do this, it would probably be at the lower dose. I would be more likely to be able to swing four more bottles as opposed to eight more bottles. And we're talking the 150-count bottle, NOT the 120-count. Wow.
 
120 count is $38 with free shipping off amazon.com 150 count runs $60 from what i hear...

Okay, if you run
9 a day for 6 days a week for 4 weeks
12 a day for 6 days a week for 2 weeks
15 a day for 6 days a week for 2 weeks
18 a day for 6 days a week for 2 weeks
21 a day for 6 days a week for 2 weeks

= 1008 caps = 8.4 - 120 count bottles.
 
you guys are a bunch of rookies, you won't feel the full power of prime if you dose it for 6 days then one day off, trust me, I know.
 
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