Natadrol QUESTIONS!

slimcharles said:
I don't take a multi, and I can bet vitamin d by itself will give someone better results than natadrol. Vitamin D has been shown to raise testosterone levels fyi.
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FYI!

Holy crap, slimcharles has information for you!

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EArch said:
On what appears to be an unrelated note to this thread, but I will put it here.

Has anyone ran Natadrol with an AI such as ATD, 6-bromo, or novedex, Would this make natadrol more effective?
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I ran Natadrol with Formadrol with great effects. In the beginning, I thought it would go very well with I3C, but from what I can tell, I3C is crap, so I tend to think otherwise now. I was actually planning on running Natadrol for 8 weeks, but it seemed to peak for me around the 5wk mark, so I decided to cut Natadrol as of yesterday (6wk total cycle) and am running Formadrol for PCT right now.

So yes, I actually would recommend an AI with Natadrol. My right nipple became a little puffy when I dropped the Formadrol, so I ramped it back up while I was on Natadrol.
 
can we all stop pissing on each other head and just agree to disagree?
cmon what do you guys say?
bring it in group hug :grouphug:
 
GMG760 said:
I know for a fact it's been run with Formadrol (I have). I used to like ATD and 6-bromo, but they actually are kinda strong AI's for me, formadrol seemed like a better choice for me to use as a test boosting AI cycle. ATD will work, but it kills my libido and needs to be dosed pretty mildly. I would say that, in my non-expert opinion, that yes, it is fine to run an AI with it, however, your choice of AI might yield different gains.
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Nice, what would you run Natadrol with between ATD or 6-Bromo, and would 25 mgs of either be a good dose each night?
 
EArch said:
Nice, what would you run Natadrol with between ATD or 6-Bromo, and would 25 mgs of either be a good dose each night?
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6-bromo should be fine, just make sure to low-dose it. ATD has shown to possibly have a negative impact on androgens. I might even go 25mg EOD.
 
Anyone have any air freshener? It reeks of troll in here.
 
Irish Cannon said:
I ran Natadrol with Formadrol with great effects. In the beginning, I thought it would go very well with I3C, but from what I can tell, I3C is crap, so I tend to think otherwise now. I was actually planning on running Natadrol for 8 weeks, but it seemed to peak for me around the 5wk mark, so I decided to cut Natadrol as of yesterday (6wk total cycle) and am running Formadrol for PCT right now.

So yes, I actually would recommend an AI with Natadrol. My right nipple became a little puffy when I dropped the Formadrol, so I ramped it back up while I was on Natadrol.
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Good info.
 
I am going to run some trifecta shortly I think.

Oh and for the off topic discussion raging in here:

Peer reviews are better than peer studies imo. I'd buy something a friend said worked before I bought something I read about in a study. Why? Whose to say the study was legit? My buddy tells me something works that doesn't I punch him in the baby maker.
 
votum said:
Peer reviews are better than peer studies imo. I'd buy something a friend said worked before I bought something I read about in a study. Why? Whose to say the study was legit? My buddy tells me something works that doesn't I punch him in the baby maker.
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You could always find the researchers who conducted the study and assault them..

You realize you're rationalizing bro science? This is why people continue to blow money on NO Xplode, SP250, and the rest of the ineffective 'supplement' blends..

Word of mouth is how good products typically become successful, but this does not hold universally true. Especially when this word of mouth comes from seemingly uneducated bros.
 
sluggy said:
You could always find the researchers who conducted the study and assault them..

You realize you're rationalizing bro science? This is why people continue to blow money on NO Xplode, SP250, and the rest of the ineffective 'supplement' blends..

Word of mouth is how good products typically become successful, but this does not hold universally true. Especially when this word of mouth comes from seemingly uneducated bros.
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...you serious mate?

Most peer studies are compensated. Who's to say that people gained anything form the product? Who's to say that people didn't just gain naturally and the product didn't do squat?

When I read a log of some guy who has been lifting heavy for years and years, and has the stats to back it up, saying how a product is helping, I believe that more. Of course I educate myself as well, who wouldn't?

Point I am trying to make is real world is better than science every time.

theoretical is theoretical imo.
 
votum said:
...you serious mate?

Most peer studies are compensated. Who's to say that people gained anything form the product? Who's to say that people didn't just gain naturally and the product didn't do squat?

When I read a log of some guy who has been lifting heavy for years and years, and has the stats to back it up, saying how a product is helping, I believe that more. Of course I educate myself as well, who wouldn't?

Point I am trying to make is real world is better than science every time.

theoretical is theoretical imo.
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Yes, I'm serious.

All studies are compensated. Someone needs to pay the researchers. You know who pays for 95% of research? Drug companies. Findings can always be skewed/slightly adjusted to make a product look better.

Typically I'd agree with you, when it comes to word of mouth. The key is as you say finding a mouth that you can trust, and that you know isn't full of ****.

Who wouldn't educate themselves? I would say at very least 80% of people that use "supplements" have absolutely no idea about the products they are using.

Real world is better than science? You realize peer reviewed studies aren't theoretical right? They have a test group, and then run a controlled study., while taking empirical measurements along the way. If done correctly, and impartially the findings of these studies are far more valuable than any single persons results.
 
sluggy said:
Yes, I'm serious.

All studies are compensated. Someone needs to pay the researchers. You know who pays for 95% of research? Drug companies. Findings can always be skewed/slightly adjusted to make a product look better.

Typically I'd agree with you, when it comes to word of mouth. The key is as you say finding a mouth that you can trust, and that you know isn't full of ****.

Who wouldn't educate themselves? I would say at very least 80% of people that use "supplements" have absolutely no idea about the products they are using.

Real world is better than science? You realize peer reviewed studies aren't theoretical right? They have a test group, and then run a controlled study., while taking empirical measurements along the way. If done correctly, and impartially the findings of these studies are far more valuable than any single persons results.
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I'm confused lol. First statement sounds like you agree with me, and last statement seems like you don't o.O

I guess what I was getting at (poorly probably) is that with supplements you can't really have a control group. Genetics play a part, body types, prior fitness levels, etc. I don't know anything about how supplement control groups are chosen, but I am pretty sure (educated guess) that they don't give everyone a fitness test, and then only select people who have identical results...there's just so many uncontrollable variables in the human body alone...then you have psychological variables...did athlete 1 have a placebo effect...did athlete 2 really go all out on training, did athlete 3 really eat 4 eggs for breakfast or did he have a cinnamon roll, etc.

All I'm saying is I trust what my 235 ripped to hell professional body builder tells me before I trust a group of scientists, mainly because of the nature of the human body.

Of course either way you could be a non responder, and I completely see how you would prefer a peer review, I dunno...everyone on here should know the vast majority of supplements are total crap, which means the vast majority of scientific studies on supplements could also be total crap...money talks.

I'm not trying to fight though so let's agree to disagree :) I see merit in both, you just have to dig through the **** to find the trustworthy sources!
 
slimcharles said:
Where in the hell did I ever claim that it Natadrol was a tbooster? I merely stated that Vitamin D is more anabolic than Natadrol.
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Yes, Vitamin D (You get dat from da sun) does increase testosterone. However, you also stated that Testosterone doesn't build muscle or whatever. So how is Vitamin D more anabolic than Natadrol then?
 
sluggy said:
Yes, I'm serious.

All studies are compensated. Someone needs to pay the researchers. You know who pays for 95% of research? Drug companies. Findings can always be skewed/slightly adjusted to make a product look better.

Typically I'd agree with you, when it comes to word of mouth. The key is as you say finding a mouth that you can trust, and that you know isn't full of ****.

Who wouldn't educate themselves? I would say at very least 80% of people that use "supplements" have absolutely no idea about the products they are using.

Real world is better than science? You realize peer reviewed studies aren't theoretical right? They have a test group, and then run a controlled study., while taking empirical measurements along the way. If done correctly, and impartially the findings of these studies are far more valuable than any single persons results.
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Drug companies are deffinately not sponsoring Supplement Companies lol...
 
great info guys.. I like the fight in your arguements...
I always like hearing opinion but I am the type of person who needs to experience it for myself

- I will be buying 2 bottles of Natadrol to run at 6 pills a day

SHOULD I STACK IT WITH

- Anadraulic State
OR
- M1D + natadrol?
OR
- The trifecta stack? and save Anadraulic state for the PCT with Formadrol?

I was trying to avoid the Masterdrol cause I heard its a conversion from DHT and can cause hairloss... which i am trying to avoid when only getting a few pounds of muscle



I will continue taking
BCAAs
Vitamins
glutamine
pre workout
Xtend during workout
and whatever else I feel like poppin ha
 
sluggy said:
You could always find the researchers who conducted the study and assault them..

You realize you're rationalizing bro science? This is why people continue to blow money on NO Xplode, SP250, and the rest of the ineffective 'supplement' blends..

Word of mouth is how good products typically become successful, but this does not hold universally true. Especially when this word of mouth comes from seemingly uneducated bros.
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The trolls are breeding.
 
^^^^^
lol dave chappell is silly
 
slimshady how did you go from red to green in a day?
 
did you sleep with the owner of AM?
 
slimcharles said:
By trolls do you mean enlightened people who do not follow the cult of "Bro-science?"
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I don't see what Buddhism has to do with any of this.

And no, by troll I mean someone who sits around on bodybuilding forums (most likely compensated for his time, unless they truly have NO LIFE) relentlessly bashing a supplement company without any evidence as ground to stand on, in an information thread originally posted by someone already set on taking the supplement. I mean really... if it doesn't work, he'll probably let us know.

You seem to not get how obvious it really is... someone without an agenda (or maybe just someone with a life) would have let this go long ago... and probably wouldn't have just barged into someone's thread and spewed a bunch of mis-information around it. He never asked if Natadrol worked or not. He asked what to stack with it. You came in here and started bashing LG on the second post of the thread... I'd call that an unprovoked attack. I mean... what are you getting out of this if you aren't paid? Do you see a bunch of people making Muscletech hate threads? Of course not, we all know muscletech is overpriced garbage. We don't have to go out and give them bad reviews, because the people taking that crap learn that, "oh snap, this stuff sucks." and they stop taking it. Same will happen for natadrol if it doesn't work. There is NO way LG has enough marketing pull in the bodybuilding industry to sell as much product as they do if their products were bunk. Period. Now shut up and go away.
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waverebelfore said:
Any opinion on my stack??? no??
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If I were you, I would run Natadrol, Formadrol, ASGT, and GHenerate.

I have been wanting to run that stack for a while now, and I'll probably run it before summer is over.

If not, M1D and Natadrol should be pretty dope. I like ASGT with every stack, that's just me.
 
hey is m1d hormonal? why isnt it banned?
 
I can't handle ASGT lol =x

I vote trifecta though $$ Haven't heard of the hair loss, but I have the thickest most luxurious hair in existence, so Even if I lose some I'll still be fine ;)
 
rochabp said:
hey is m1d hormonal? why isnt it banned?
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First, not all hormones are banned. But second, it is 5 alpha reduced DHEA (very different than DHEA by itself) and the feds can't ban DHEA yet, which is why you still see all the supplement distributors still carrying and advertising M1D and the 1-Androsterone hormone, which is 1-DHEA, which too works very different than DHEA itself.

votum said:
I can't handle ASGT lol =x

I vote trifecta though $$ Haven't heard of the hair loss, but I have the thickest most luxurious hair in existence, so Even if I lose some I'll still be fine ;)
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Trifecta won't cause you to lose your hair... I'm pretty sure of this.
 
GMG760 said:
First, not all hormones are banned. But second, it is 5 alpha reduced DHEA (very different than DHEA by itself) and the feds can't ban DHEA yet, which is why you still see all the supplement distributors still carrying and advertising M1D and the 1-Androsterone hormone, which is 1-DHEA, which too works very different than DHEA itself.



Trifecta won't cause you to lose your hair... I'm pretty sure of this.
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so im guessing in terms of muscle and strength gains it wont give anything compared to h drol/mdrol/tren/etc...
would mmv2 or m1d be good cutters? is m1d stronger than mmv2?
 
rochabp said:
so im guessing in terms of muscle and strength gains it wont give anything compared to h drol/mdrol/tren/etc...
would mmv2 or m1d be good cutters? is m1d stronger than mmv2?
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Mdrol and Tren, no, it certainly will not. It also won't destroy your libido, liver, blood pressure, and lipids, it doesn't need cycle support and a SERM like both of those really do.

As far as Hdrol is concerned... it's methylated too, so it's really not a fair comparison, but Hdrol is stronger, but I have had similar gains from an Hdrol cycle and a Trifecta cycle. The thing is, Trifecta was my first cycle ever, and Hdrol was my 3rd... meaning the Hdrol didn't get virgin androgen receptors.

M1D is converts to testosterone, and MMv2 and 3 convert to stanalone. These hormones work differently in your body, so to compare them is difficult. The M1D should put on more mass and be slightly "wet", because it converts to test. While MMV2/3 converts to stanalone, which is a cutting hormone, which is very dry. Together, coupled with a good diet, you should have great lean gains. I would run the cycle around 6 weeks, I like week 4-6 best on both hormones. Also, remember that it is non-methylated, so take in a bunch of healthy fats when dosing the LG hormones to help with absorbtion. 10g fish oil or a tablespoon of natural peanut butter will do the trick.
 
GMG760 said:
Mdrol and Tren, no, it certainly will not. It also won't destroy your libido, liver, blood pressure, and lipids, it doesn't need cycle support and a SERM like both of those really do.

As far as Hdrol is concerned... it's methylated too, so it's really not a fair comparison, but Hdrol is stronger, but I have had similar gains from an Hdrol cycle and a Trifecta cycle. The thing is, Trifecta was my first cycle ever, and Hdrol was my 3rd... meaning the Hdrol didn't get virgin androgen receptors.

M1D is converts to testosterone, and MMv2 and 3 convert to stanalone. These hormones work differently in your body, so to compare them is difficult. The M1D should put on more mass and be slightly "wet", because it converts to test. While MMV2/3 converts to stanalone, which is a cutting hormone, which is very dry. Together, coupled with a good diet, you should have great lean gains. I would run the cycle around 6 weeks, I like week 4-6 best on both hormones. Also, remember that it is non-methylated, so take in a bunch of healthy fats when dosing the LG hormones to help with absorbtion. 10g fish oil or a tablespoon of natural peanut butter will do the trick.
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so would h drol need a serm? some say yes some say no, what say you? how does stanolone help you cut? does it boost metabolism or fat oxidation?
or is it just strong enough to help keep muscle during low caloric diets?
so m1d turns into test?so could this be like the foundation of many cycles?
 
votum said:
so is the MM that comes in the trifecta v2 or v3?
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Now it would be the MMV3. If you want the MMV2, I believe CEL sells a clone of it. They are similar hormones, except one is alpha the other beta.

rochabp said:
so would h drol need a serm? some say yes some say no, what say you? how does stanolone help you cut? does it boost metabolism or fat oxidation?
or is it just strong enough to help keep muscle during low caloric diets?
so m1d turns into test?so could this be like the foundation of many cycles?
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I used a 50/50/25/25 serm of Clomid when I ran Hdrol, but I ran it for 6 weeks with the last 3 over 100mg e/d. So, I probably needed one. At 50/50/50/50 or even 50/50/75/75/75 I wouldn't bother with a serm, I would just get a really good OTC pct set up.

I don't know the actual chemical process that stanalone creates in the body to make one lose fat. I imagine it increases one's metabolism, but Irish Canon is the guy to talk to about that. All I know is that it makes my aggression increase, my subcutaneous water decrease, and I harden up while losing fat. I would compare it to Oristan-A except with more strength gain and aggression.
 
GMG760 said:
Now it would be the MMV3. If you want the MMV2, I believe CEL sells a clone of it. They are similar hormones, except one is alpha the other beta.



I used a 50/50/25/25 serm of Clomid when I ran Hdrol, but I ran it for 6 weeks with the last 3 over 100mg e/d. So, I probably needed one. At 50/50/50/50 or even 50/50/75/75/75 I wouldn't bother with a serm, I would just get a really good OTC pct set up.

I don't know the actual chemical process that stanalone creates in the body to make one lose fat. I imagine it increases one's metabolism, but Irish Canon is the guy to talk to about that. All I know is that it makes my aggression increase, my subcutaneous water decrease, and I harden up while losing fat. I would compare it to Oristan-A except with more strength gain and aggression.
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so whats the diff betwwen mmv2 and v3?
beta? alpha? whats that?
im thinking of running
hdrol 50/75/75/75/75/75
furazadrol 250/300/300/300/300/300
and i might add some mmv2, what would be resommended dose?
pct
inhibit e or novedex or formadrol
lean xtreme <--would this be best on or off cycle?
what else would you reccommend? for pct
 
rochabp said:
so whats the diff betwwen mmv2 and v3?
beta? alpha? whats that?
im thinking of running
hdrol 50/75/75/75/75/75
furazadrol 250/300/300/300/300/300
and i might add some mmv2, what would be resommended dose?
pct
inhibit e or novedex or formadrol
lean xtreme <--would this be best on or off cycle?
what else would you reccommend? for pct
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MMv2 is -beta and comes in caps
MMv3 is -alpha sublingual tabs
 
What are people dosing the trifecta stack at? Seems like I;ve read a few logs dosing above the recommended...I want to do a stack before I take leave in JUL, would you guys recommend 1 4 week cycle or waiting until I get back and running 2 stacks back ot back 8ish week cycle?

Is it safe to run the trifecta + natadrol?
 
rochabp said:
so whats the diff betwwen mmv2 and v3?
beta? alpha? whats that?
im thinking of running
hdrol 50/75/75/75/75/75
furazadrol 250/300/300/300/300/300
and i might add some mmv2, what would be resommended dose?
pct
inhibit e or novedex or formadrol
lean xtreme <--would this be best on or off cycle?
what else would you reccommend? for pct
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No reason to use MMV2 and Furazadrol. Use one or the other.

MMV3 = 3-alpha-Hydroxy etioallicolan-17-one
MMV2 = 3-beta-Hydroxy etioallicolan-17-one

Alpha, beta.
 
yes you could use Natadrol with the trifecta, but why not use it another time and reap more benefits over time.

More does not always necessarily mean better. i am not saying it would be unsafe, just unnecessary unless you have a fat wallet, if that is the case though, go for it.
 
votum said:
What are people dosing the trifecta stack at? Seems like I;ve read a few logs dosing above the recommended...I want to do a stack before I take leave in JUL, would you guys recommend 1 4 week cycle or waiting until I get back and running 2 stacks back ot back 8ish week cycle?

Is it safe to run the trifecta + natadrol?
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6 of each seems to have good results. I'm going to take M1D 135 ct at 6 a day for 3 weeks right before july. If i get good results, after my leave in july i will probably run a 6 week cycle and add my mmv2 in.
 
Killerkanadia said:
6 of each seems to have good results. I'm going to take M1D 135 ct at 6 a day for 3 weeks right before july. If i get good results, after my leave in july i will probably run a 6 week cycle and add my mmv2 in.
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3 weeks is a pretty short M1D cycle. I'd suggest just waiting and running the 6 weeker when you have the time.
 
GMG760 said:
yes you could use Natadrol with the trifecta, but why not use it another time and reap more benefits over time.

More does not always necessarily mean better. i am not saying it would be unsafe, just unnecessary unless you have a fat wallet, if that is the case though, go for it.
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Thanks mate.

I dont have either on hand, but will be finishing my "get into good enough shape to actually be able to tell if a supplement is helping you or if your body is just doing its thing" cycle soon and am looking at trifecta and natadrol both. I'd much rather takem at different times :D I have a fat wallet but don't want to dump money into a hole. Want to get the most out of my time here in Iraq (good gym good free food) which is really the only reason im looking at supps anyway. :D I am going to mimic you KK just an fyi, get that log started up!
 
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