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My Sick Summer Cut (Sponsored in part by Band-Aid)

thundergod said:
I wouldn't be so concerned bro. You shoulda known you were going to shutdown to some degree. Androgens seem to shut people down faster and harder than most anabolics do. This is my observation anyway. There are some exceptions to this rule of course. Super-Drol being the obvious one. And I would save the DTH and the DHEA for PCT. That's when they'll really be needed and effective. Besides, haven't you ever heard that small potatoes make the meat look bigger?!! lol THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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Of course I knew! I just had no idea how quick it would happen. Normally it doesn't until late week 2 or 3.

My main concern here (and the reason for starting the DTH early) isn't the size of the boys, but the functionality of "the president" :trout:. That guy makes all the decisions around here and, being a newlywed, he's called upon frequently. I'd hate for him to be unable to fulfill his duties. Besides, I'm low-dosing it. During PCT I'll be running it at 4-5 caps, instead of 2-3.

DHEA I'll definitely save for PCT, though. What dose do you recommend when I do start it? Should I begin w/ week 1?
 
By the way, I weighed myself yesterday and I'm at 198lb, so down 3lb?? Sounds crazy, but I tend to fluctuate 3-4lb anyway. Stomach is already looking flatter, though. Looking forward to week 2!
 
TimberLakers said:
TG - Do you recommend DHEA for all PCTs? I have 5,000 pills in my PCT, but DHEA is NOT one of them.
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This answer is for both you and TG2. DHEA isn't a necessity for younger guys really. But it will be helpful! It converts to both testosterone and estrogen, so an AI would be advisable. But I would advise an AI during PCT anyway. I still feel DHEA will help you recover faster during your PCT's and it is very good for cortisol control. I would advise both of you to take 150 mg. per day for your PCT's. You could taper off at the end. Down to 100 mg. for the next to the last week of PCT and on down to 50 mg. for the final week. THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
thundergod said:
I wouldn't be so concerned bro. You shoulda known you were going to shutdown to some degree. Androgens seem to shut people down faster and harder than most anabolics do. This is my observation anyway. There are some exceptions to this rule of course. Super-Drol being the obvious one. And I would save the DTH and the DHEA for PCT. That's when they'll really be needed and effective. Besides, haven't you ever heard that small potatoes make the meat look bigger?!! lol THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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haha make the meat look bigger.:toofunny: good advice.
 
thundergod said:
This answer is for both you and TG2. DHEA isn't a necessity for younger guys really. But it will be helpful! It converts to both testosterone and estrogen, so an AI would be advisable. But I would advise an AI during PCT anyway. I still feel DHEA will help you recover faster during your PCT's and it is very good for cortisol control. I would advise both of you to take 150 mg. per day for your PCT's. You could taper off at the end. Down to 100 mg. for the next to the last week of PCT and on down to 50 mg. for the final week. THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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Thanks TG! So, If I end up running the original plan, including clomid and starting my AI on week 3, ramping up and back down (which right now it looks like I will be, based on my recent shutdown-edness...is that a word???), should I hold off on the DHEA until week 3 and just run it alongside the AI, which would continue for 2 weeks after PCT?
 
ThisGuy2 said:
Thanks TG! So, If I end up running the original plan, including clomid and starting my AI on week 3, ramping up and back down (which right now it looks like I will be, based on my recent shutdown-edness...is that a word???), should I hold off on the DHEA until week 3 and just run it alongside the AI, which would continue for 2 weeks after PCT?
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I would advise you to start DHEA at the beginning of PCT and use throughout. The Clomid at the beginning of your PCT would take care of any DHEA related estrogen conversion. Then the AI at the end would control the estro!! THE THUNDERGOD
 
thundergod said:
I would advise you to start DHEA at the beginning of PCT and use throughout. The Clomid at the beginning of your PCT would take care of any DHEA related estrogen conversion. Then the AI at the end would control the estro!! THE THUNDERGOD
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As always, many thanks for all your guidance, big man!

I'd rep you, but it seems I need to spread the love first.
 
Yesterday was chest day. I usually love chest day, but I was feeling really under the weather since Sunday, and reluctantly decided that I'd have to take it easy. So...

I got to the gym and decided to get me some trip drops! I know, I know...not exactly taking it easy. What can I say? I'm up to 4 MMV2 and I gotta say, the stuff works. Not only did I do trip drops, but I did 2 sets per press. Unfortunately, my gym only has up to 80lb bells, but I just went high rep. Next week I think I'm just going to go with regular presses with heavy weights and some intensity techniques.

DB Press
1 x 10, 8, 8 @ 80lb, 70lb, 60lb
1 x 8, 8, 8 @ 80lb, 70, lb, 60lb

Incline DB Press
1 x 8, 8, 8 @ 70lb, 60lb, 50lb
1 x 8, 6, 6 @ 70, lb, 60lb, 50lb

Decline DB Press
2 x 8, 8, 8 @ 60lb, 50lb, 45lb

Flyes
8, 6, 6 @ 40lb, 30lb, 20lb

After that I was pretty much wiped. Did HIIT and abs today and will do them again tomorrow. Afraid I'm not getting back into the weightroom until Thursday for shoulders (due to work).

Chest and shoulders are already looking a bit more defined...is that possible? I guess it could be, I was already making some pretty nice progress going into the cycle. Most noticable is my stomach, which is looking really flat.
 
Sounding good bro! Love those triple drops dude!! That stack is leaning you out nicely from the sound of it. I thought it would. MMV2 increased my vascularity like crazy!! :fool2: I love how it makes me feel during my workouts. IMMORTAL!! :box: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
thundergod said:
Sounding good bro! Love those triple drops dude!! That stack is leaning you out nicely from the sound of it. I thought it would. MMV2 increased my vascularity like crazy!! :fool2: I love how it makes me feel during my workouts. IMMORTAL!! :box: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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You said it! And I'm definitely seeing that vascularity. I noticed a few new veins sticking out along the front delts down into my chest and one on my bicep. Not bad considering it's only my 4th dose of the stuff! I gotta say I love it.
 
ThisGuy2 said:
You said it! And I'm definitely seeing that vascularity. I noticed a few new veins sticking out along the front delts down into my chest and one on my bicep. Not bad considering it's only my 4th dose of the stuff! I gotta say I love it.
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I honestly love it also!! But the way I've been pimpin' it out, you'd think LG Sciences' would send me some more for the good deeds!!! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
thundergod said:
I honestly love it also!! But the way I've been pimpin' it out, you'd think LG Sciences' would send me some more for the good deeds!!! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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I hear ya! Chuck Diesel needs to get me some DTH pronto! Chuck D where are you??? I been pimpin' DTH like it's my job!
 
ThisGuy2 said:
I hear ya! Chuck Diesel needs to get me some DTH pronto! Chuck D where are you??? I been pimpin' DTH like it's my job!
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u called? My job is to make products that work.....not really give them away.
 
Chuck Diesel said:
u called? My job is to make products that work.....not really give them away.
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Yeah Chuck D! I got a bottle sittin in my cabinet waiting for PCT!

I heard it makes your balls swell up like giant bouncing cheeseburgers... Perhaps we should look into changing the packaging.

:burg::burg:
 
Are you using calipers or are you just running with the mirror Guy?


You guys have me fired up for this MMV2, I ordered it, and some winztrol, and I'm psyched. I haven't run anything in about a year so my receptors should be primed. I kinda forgot how long it takes to grow or cut when your not running anything - it sucks!
 
SFRANGER said:
Are you using calipers or are you just running with the mirror Guy?


You guys have me fired up for this MMV2, I ordered it, and some winztrol, and I'm psyched. I haven't run anything in about a year so my receptors should be primed. I kinda forgot how long it takes to grow or cut when your not running anything - it sucks!
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man if you havent ran anything is a while you shouldnt waste it on weak sh1t.
 
pistonpump said:
man if you havent ran anything is a while you shouldnt waste it on weak sh1t.
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Well..I've run enough 'hard ****' to last me a long long time. I'm a mesomorph and I put on weight and size like crazy, I've got about all the mass I want right now (my profession requires that I lean toward an 'athletic physique' more than a power lifters physique..) and I'm trying to get shredded right now, and get my run times lower. From what I've read, and the reviews from this thread, winztrol and MMV2 seem to be what Im looking for.
 
SFRANGER said:
Well..I've run enough 'hard ****' to last me a long long time. I'm a mesomorph and I put on weight and size like crazy, I've got about all the mass I want right now (my profession requires that I lean toward an 'athletic physique' more than a power lifters physique..) and I'm trying to get shredded right now, and get my run times lower. From what I've read, and the reviews from this thread, winztrol and MMV2 seem to be what Im looking for.
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i see. carry on.
 
SFRANGER said:
Are you using calipers or are you just running with the mirror Guy?


You guys have me fired up for this MMV2, I ordered it, and some winztrol, and I'm psyched. I haven't run anything in about a year so my receptors should be primed. I kinda forgot how long it takes to grow or cut when your not running anything - it sucks!
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I used calipers for the initial test, and I'll use them again to check at the end for comparison. Also, I'm using a tape measure for measurements.

In between I'm just using the mirror.
 
guy, how many caps of mmv2 are you using ed? and are you just doing one large dose of mmv2 pre WO or are you spreading the doses throughout the day?

thundergod, did you just take all 6 caps of your mmv2 pre WO or spaced out throughout the day back when you ran it?
 
heebs10 said:
guy, how many caps of mmv2 are you using ed? and are you just doing one large dose of mmv2 pre WO or are you spreading the doses throughout the day?

thundergod, did you just take all 6 caps of your mmv2 pre WO or spaced out throughout the day back when you ran it?
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I'm actually only taking it on workout days in one dose preworkout )which is what TG recommended). I've been taking 4, but I'm bumping to 5 tomorrow and saturday, and I think I'm going 6 from monday on out through the end.
 
Speaking of MMV2, I friggin' love this sh!t!!! I just got back from my shoulder workout and I feel FCUKIN" JACKED!!!!

Upright rows 2 x 20 @ 115lb (warmup)

Bent-over lateral raises 3 x 15 @ 15lb

1-arm bent-over lateral raises 4* x 8 @ 30lb
*last set DROPS - 8, 6, 6 @ 30lb, 20lb, 10lb

Reverse pec deck flye 3 x 12 @ 80lb

Smith machine mil. press 3 x 15 @ 135lb (finish last set w/ partials to failure)

DB front delt raises 3 x 15 @ 20lb

Close-grip upright rows 3 x 8 @ 115lb
-SUPERSET w/
Shrugs 3 x 12 @ 205lb (finish w/ burnout)

CAN'T WAIT FOR ARMS TOMORROW!!!!!:bruce1:
 
Chuck Diesel said:
u called? My job is to make products that work.....not really give them away.
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:toofunny:

Oh snap. speak of the devil huh Guy?

But on a more serious note, word up Chuck... I hear good things and can't wait to run the DTHC that's on my shelf!
 
TimberLakers said:
Yeah Chuck D! I got a bottle sittin in my cabinet waiting for PCT!

I heard it makes your balls swell up like giant bouncing cheeseburgers... Perhaps we should look into changing the packaging.

:burg::burg:
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it used to say grande bolos on the bottle.:toofunny:
 
heebs10 said:
guy, how many caps of mmv2 are you using ed? and are you just doing one large dose of mmv2 pre WO or are you spreading the doses throughout the day?

thundergod, did you just take all 6 caps of your mmv2 pre WO or spaced out throughout the day back when you ran it?
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I only took 3 caps pre-workout then spaced the other 3 caps out during the rest of the day. I can't imagine doing 6 caps at once really. But it sounds very tempting to me!! :twisted: ThisGuy2 will be bumping his up soon, so I'll stay tuned!! :thumbsup: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
TimberLakers said:
Designers
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Phera is wet (edit- super is dry apparently). Epi is stronger than Halo, and those are fairly dry. Then there is Tren, which I have no real grasp upon wet/dry... I am leaning towards dry, but other than that is supposed to make you strong as hell. I dunno about it, it can have some funny side effects in certain people... I've been trying to do more research on it.

MMV2 is a great dry compound that is pretty damn safe... I liked it a lot. It is non methylated, so you could stack it with a methyl and probably have a whole 'lotta fun. :D

You'd like it too Timber, it made me aggressive as fvck. You'd be squatting fat girls and shoving ipods in peoples eyes all over the place.
 
TimberLakers said:
Question for the peanut gallery...

What is the strongest dry PH compound?
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based on what i have read, probably SD (most say its fairly dry, but i gues not for everyone)
epi is probably the next strongest of the dry compounds off the top of my head.
 
GMG760 said:
Eh, Super and Phera are wet. Epi is stronger than Halo, and those are fairly dry.
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Superdrol is one of the driest compounds out if not the driest bro. Read some stuff on it.:lol: But honestly I'd have to say an Epithio is the driest. Driest and strongest Superdrol hands down.
 
thundergod said:
I only took 3 caps pre-workout then spaced the other 3 caps out during the rest of the day. I can't imagine doing 6 caps at once really. But it sounds very tempting to me!! :twisted: ThisGuy2 will be bumping his up soon, so I'll stay tuned!! :thumbsup: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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Thats right brother. Stuck to 4 today, but I'm bumping up to 5 pre-workout on Monday!!!
 
BlackSheep said:
Superdrol is one of the driest compounds out if not the driest bro. Read some stuff on it.:lol: But honestly I'd have to say an Epithio is the driest. Driest and strongest Superdrol hands down.
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yeah, based on my research, sd is by far the strongest/driest. you can very realistically gain 12-15lb (and many have gone higher) of dry mass if your diet is dialed in.

TRN is EXTREMELY dry, but not great for size. It'll cut you up and your strength goes through the roof, but you're gonna need to stack it if you want size.
 
Arm workout today boys. I had probably the shortest and most intense arm workout I've ever experienced combining drops and supers.

I started w/ 2 sets of DB curl drops (count 'em...5!!!) superset w/ tri-extension superset..I know, I know. Follow me here:

DB Curls 2 x 4, 4, 4, 6, 6 @ 50lb, 40lb, 30lb, 20lb, 15lb
super w/
Tricep extension/reverse tri-ext. 10 @ 70lb/10 @ 50lb

Preacher Curl 6, 6, 6, 6, 6 @ 150lb, 120lb, 100lb, 80lb, 50lb
superset w/
Overhead cable extension 10, 10, 10, 10 @ 55lb, 45lb, 35lb, 25lb

I did the second excercise group another two sets, and then I was done. 4 sets total. I can't f'n believe how wiped I was after it...but I do love seeing those 50lb curls.:food::head:
 
BlackSheep said:
Superdrol is one of the driest compounds out if not the driest bro. Read some stuff on it.:lol: But honestly I'd have to say an Epithio is the driest. Driest and strongest Superdrol hands down.
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What causes the bloat from superdrol then? just the fact that it likes carbs?
 
GMG760 said:
What causes the bloat from superdrol then? just the fact that it likes carbs?
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1. people over eat on the sht (Me lol) and 2. yea I would say glycogen partitioning. I have never seen anyone complain of bloat in all the logs I've seen or people I've know that run it though. Were did you see this bro??:think:
 
GMG760 said:
What causes the bloat from superdrol then? just the fact that it likes carbs?
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everyone is different, sd may not be as dry for you as it is for others. some people dont get bloated from phera and everyone seems to think phera is soaking wet for example.
 
heebs10 said:
everyone is different, sd may not be as dry for you as it is for others. some people dont get bloated from phera and everyone seems to think phera is soaking wet for example.
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plus you can always stack w/ something mild and dry to help keep you drier.
 
BlackSheep said:
1. people over eat on the sht (Me lol) and 2. yea I would say glycogen partitioning. I have never seen anyone complain of bloat in all the logs I've seen or people I've know that run it though. Were did you see this bro??:think:
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I swear I have read it in threads... maybe it was a thread on multiple compounds though and I got em mixed up... Whatever, my mistake. lol.
 
GMG760 said:
I swear I have read it in threads... maybe it was a thread on multiple compounds though and I got em mixed up... Whatever, my mistake. lol.
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legs. suck it.

quad ext. 2 x 20 @ 49lb

squats 4 x 8,12 @ 275lb, 225lb

Db lunges SUPER w/ Deads x 2
10 @ 90lb
10 @ 110lb

Calve raises (superset 3 angles) x2
15 @ 225lb
 
ThisGuy2 said:
legs. suck it.

quad ext. 2 x 20 @ 49lb
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49 lb :wtf: How do you get a weight of 49 lbs.??? And yeah, I feel ya. Legs.......suck it!! :rasp: They're also my least fav bodypart to work. But there's no denying the benefits of workin' 'em hard either. I tell people when they ask me how to get their Bench Press to go up?? I tell 'em to squat more!!!! :squat: :aargh: There's an indirect effect when you train your legs really hard, that strength will parley over into other bodyparts' strength. I'm totally serious when I tell people to Bench more weight, they'll need to Squat more weight!!! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
many thanks to all of you for the support! it really keeps me going.

TG, 49lb, dude...you don't have 9lb plates? No? No, neither do I. Typo...my bad :lol:. I meant 40.

By the way, I forgot to mention, I took 5MMV2 preworkout yesterday. F'n SICK!!!! I thought I was going to bite through a damned plate, I was so jacked up. Can't wait to hit chest on 5. And 6...mmm....
 
ThisGuy2 said:
many thanks to all of you for the support! it really keeps me going.

TG, 49lb, dude...you don't have 9lb plates? No? No, neither do I. Typo...my bad :lol:. I meant 40.

By the way, I forgot to mention, I took 5MMV2 preworkout yesterday. F'n SICK!!!! I thought I was going to bite through a damned plate, I was so jacked up. Can't wait to hit chest on 5. And 6...mmm....
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I loved 6 a day. I never dosed 6 Pre WO though... that would be SIIICK!

Can't wait for 3 of these epi's Pre WO... hehehehehe.

Nice job on the wheels duder. We are lifting about the same... you might be able to squat a bit more than me though.
 
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