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My ideal safety profile

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Hi, I know that this is unrealistic, but my quest is to find a PES/PH/AAS that offers moderate gains but has the following profile:
No/ low impact on
HDL
Liver
BP
Haematocrit
Suppression
DHT conversion
Aromatisation
Libido

Is there such a product that exists or something that is close to it?
I currently have some DermaTrest waiting to be used but I am concerned about the negatives outweighing the positives
 
Try Osta. It is mildly suppressive, does not aromatize, and mild on the body in general. The gains are in line with that. yates84 has a thread on SARMs: SARM's, MK, & GW : A User's Guide.
I also have am logging my Osta cycle at First Osta cycle.
Or you could try LGD. It is a little harsher on lipids and shutdown, but gains are a bit bigger. Toren has just finished an LGD cycle, so he may be able to answer questions regarding LGD.
 
UncleSarm said:
Try Osta. It is mildly suppressive, does not aromatize, and mild on the body in general. The gains are in line with that. yates84 has a thread on SARMs: SARM's, MK, & GW : A User's Guide.
I also have am logging my Osta cycle at First Osta cycle.
Or you could try LGD. It is a little harsher on lipids and shutdown, but gains are a bit bigger. Toren has just finished an LGD cycle, so he may be able to answer questions regarding LGD.
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couldn't disagree more (from personal experience)... Osta suppressed me more than most ph's and did almost nothing for me benefit wise.

OP, the fact that you list low/no suppression is going to eliminate just about anything hormonal... at best you could go with something like dermacrine or a laxogenin product. Honestly though, I would just stick to natty supps iff you're that concerned. Xgels and Anabeta elite can really wok wonders with the right diet
 
booneman77 said:
couldn't disagree more (from personal experience)... Osta suppressed me more than most ph's and did almost nothing for me benefit wise.

OP, the fact that you list low/no suppression is going to eliminate just about anything hormonal... at best you could go with something like dermacrine or a laxogenin product. Honestly though, I would just stick to natty supps iff you're that concerned. Xgels and Anabeta elite can really wok wonders with the right diet
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Good point booneman77. I should have specified that "on average", Osta is mildly suppressive. However everyone responds to it differently, so the amount of suppression is going to be user dependent.
Average is you and me sitting in a room. Then Steve Jobs walks in. All of a sudden our average salary just jumped to 10M per month. :boggled:
 
11 oxo stacked with epiandro would be a great stack with low sides/what your looking for. Would be great for a cut, maybe add 1 and 4 andro to make a better bulker

Edit: epiandro does convert to dht, are you worried about your hair?
 
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if you want big gainz you gotta get suppressed. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
 
UncleSarm said:
Good point booneman77. I should have specified that "on average", Osta is mildly suppressive. However everyone responds to it differently, so the amount of suppression is going to be user dependent.
Average is you and me sitting in a room. Then Steve Jobs walks in. All of a sudden our average salary just jumped to 10M per month. :boggled:
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Studies have shown that even 3mg is suppressive so it's more like "Osta is suppressive across the board" not "on average."
 
What a retarded thread/post.

Oh, I want like some awesome miracle drug that makes me huge but has no side effects.
 
I must be one of the lucky ones, Osta absolutely shreds me while preserving muscle/gaining muscle, first run I got amazing fat loss and added size with diet average, but training hard. Second run now, only 1 week in and feel the effects already. Didn't have any sides from the last run, will see this run, but already getting that ON feeling at gym
 
warbird01 said:
Studies have shown that even 3mg is suppressive so it's more like "Osta is suppressive across the board" not "on average."
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Actually studies have found that "In men, no statistically significant differences from placebo in change from baseline values for free testosterone".
While the experiment results show otherwise, I will not discount booneman77 's experience. Therefore my statement that "on average", or "generally, but not in all cases" Osta is mildly suppressive.
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UncleSarm said:
Good point booneman77. I should have specified that "on average", Osta is mildly suppressive. However everyone responds to it differently, so the amount of suppression is going to be user dependent.
Average is you and me sitting in a room. Then Steve Jobs walks in. All of a sudden our average salary just jumped to 10M per month. :boggled:
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if steve jobs walks into a room I'm all "brb, about to take care of this zombie problem"
 
Sparta12 said:
I must be one of the lucky ones, Osta absolutely shreds me while preserving muscle/gaining muscle, first run I got amazing fat loss and added size with diet average, but training hard. Second run now, only 1 week in and feel the effects already. Didn't have any sides from the last run, will see this run, but already getting that ON feeling at gym
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Did you run a pct?
 
UncleSarm said:
Actually studies have found that "In men, no statistically significant differences from placebo in change from baseline values for free testosterone".
While the experiment results show otherwise, I will not discount booneman77 's experience. Therefore my statement that "on average", or "generally, but not in all cases" Osta is mildly suppressive.
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Don't confuse clinical dosages with bb'er dosages. at 3mg there is clearly a drop in total T, multiple that dosage by 5-8 times and use your imagination.
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Don't confuse clinical dosages with bb'er dosages. at 3mg there is clearly a drop in total T, multiple that dosage by 5-8 times and use your imagination.
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Certainly, no argument there. But the bloods I have seen on the web are all over the place. For some the test is low, for others it hasn't even budged. So the outcome is very much dose and user dependent. However, from reading messages, there are a lot more people doing Osta than there are logs or bloods posted. These are what I would call the silent majority, for whom the cycle is going well and they are having no problems whatsoever. They may be suppressed, but not enough to feel it in any way. Contrast that to LGD, that is well know to be highly suppressive and for which a full PCT is not a question of "eh, maybe".
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Don't confuse clinical dosages with bb'er dosages. at 3mg there is clearly a drop in total T, multiple that dosage by 5-8 times and use your imagination.
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Certainly, no argument there. But the bloods I have seen on the web are all over the place. For some the test is low, for others it hasn't even budged. So the outcome is very much dose and user dependent. However, from reading messages, there are a lot more people doing Osta than there are logs or bloods posted. These are what I would call the silent majority, for whom the cycle is going well and they are having no problems whatsoever. They may be suppressed, but not enough to feel it in any way. Contrast that to LGD, that is well know to be highly suppressive and for which a full PCT is not a question of "eh, maybe".
Also, you are making the assumption that the shutdown is linearly dependent on the dose, which I don't see from the study. It kind of seems that it's a little bit all over the place, but initial test values are all over the place, which is understandable given that the sample is a group of older men with reduced testosterone to begin with, not young bucks that get a hard on every time the wind blows.
 
UncleSarm said:
Certainly, no argument there. But the bloods I have seen on the web are all over the place. For some the test is low, for others it hasn't even budged. So the outcome is very much dose and user dependent. However, from reading messages, there are a lot more people doing Osta than there are logs or bloods posted. These are what I would call the silent majority, for whom the cycle is going well and they are having no problems whatsoever. They may be suppressed, but not enough to feel it in any way. Contrast that to LGD, that is well know to be highly suppressive and for which a full PCT is not a question of "eh, maybe".
Also, you are making the assumption that the shutdown is linearly dependent on the dose, which I don't see from the study. It kind of seems that it's a little bit all over the place, but initial test values are all over the place, which is understandable given that the sample is a group of older men with reduced testosterone to begin with, not young bucks that get a hard on every time the wind blows.
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Actually no I'm not, based on the data it appears to be a U shape suppression curve, that i wager is exponentially increasing past 3mg.
 
AustBenny you sir are a c*nt.
Optimising benefits while minimising negative side effects is the rational approach. I accept that at present, any product that offers big gains will likely suppress etc. However, there is often a sliding scale of returns vs negative impacts.
I am not looking for 30lbs in 30 days but I am interested in gaining faster than the natural approach.
With regard to SARMS it is worth looking at Jerry Brainum's YouTube video.
These forums surely have more to offer in terms of identifying the optimum choice rather than the offerings of D*ckeads like AustBenny The Beavis of Bodybuilding
 
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