Why did you stop?This is what i was about to do, i did 4 days, im stopping, i dont understand half of the stuff on here and now im scared lol
Why did you stop?This is what i was about to do, i did 4 days, im stopping, i dont understand half of the stuff on here and now im scared lol
Lol yup I'm about 4 pounds heavier and it's all clearly water and not a gram of muscle. Too early to tell yet buddyVikingbro how's the cycle going man? You 15lbs heavier yet or what?
I didn't tu guys said not to id be fine, just get a serm for laterWhy did you stop?
How much epiandro are you taking? It'll dry you outLol yup I'm about 4 pounds heavier and it's all clearly water and not a gram of muscle. Too early to tell yet buddy
250 a day so far but I've only been on Epi 2 days so it can't be that.How much epiandro are you taking? It'll dry you out
Depends how you wanna define muscleJust jumped on the scales this morning for an accurate reading and I'm up 1.5 kg/3.3 pounds. Anyone know how much of this will be muscle after only my 9th day of cycle? I'm guessing not a lot but as I'm Keto adapted I don't generally hold a lot of water, plus I don't look bloated
Can't be much glycogen being Keto adapted mate. My total Carb intake never exceeds 30 gramsDepends how you wanna define muscle
Water, glycogen...its all good potential precursor to new muscle tissue. Itll contribute to strength and "endurance" as well, so long term net result...more new muscle (than youd get natty, at any rate).
If youre still eating plenty of protein couldnt the body convert that? Especially considering the demands these andro compounds may be making.Can't be much glycogen being Keto adapted mate. My total Carb intake never exceeds 30 grams
Whats your overall macros man?Can't be much glycogen being Keto adapted mate. My total Carb intake never exceeds 30 grams
Absolutely, it depends on how much protein for sure. I'm currently cutting (236lbs @ 20%bf)at 1900 cals on 25 g carbs max and only about 120g protein, rest is fat. Anymore protein than that and I get knocked out of ketosis according to my ketogenix breathalyzer.If youre still eating plenty of protein couldnt the body convert that? Especially considering the demands these andro compounds may be making.
Your protein is very low man... I've been able to stay in keto eating close to a gram of protein per lb of overall BW.Absolutely, it depends on how much protein for sure. I'm currently cutting (236lbs @ 20%bf)at 1900 cals on 25 g carbs max and only about 120g protein, rest is fat. Anymore protein than that and I get knocked out of ketosis according to my ketogenix breathalyzer.
Good point you made. I'm careful that I mix my protein with fats to hinder absorption and conversion via gluconeogenesis. I also don't take too much protein or fast acting proteins I.e pure whey without mixing it with casein and a little fat. I test my ketones daily too.If youre still eating plenty of protein couldnt the body convert that? Especially considering the demands these andro compounds may be making.
Funnily enough I was thinking of stopping Keto during this cycleYour protein is very low man... I've been able to stay in keto eating close to a gram of protein per lb of overall BW.
Vikingbro if your goal is to add some LBM, I'd personally stop the keto diet.
Take advantage of insulin when your running anabolics.... that's my thinking at least. The gear will allow for better nitrogen retention, recovery time, etc...Funnily enough I was thinking of stopping Keto during this cycle
I was considering doing this or just having carbs post workout when my receptors are primed for an insulin responseTake advantage of insulin when your running anabolics.... that's my thinking at least. The gear will allow for better nitrogen retention, recovery time, etc...
Fat gain on cycle is diet dependent, so if your careful with you kcal surplus and eat clean you should be g2g.
You could always go back to a keto diet after your PCT if you wanna cut some BF gained on cycle
I am doing this mate but starting at 250 for a week before. I will eventually take it up to 750Id increase the epi to 500mg.. 250 twice a day
Nice!!! I noticed a substantial difference between 500 & 750 in sides.. I wish I could have run it at 750.I am doing this mate but starting at 250 for a week before. I will eventually take it up to 750
What sides?Nice!!! I noticed a substantial difference between 500 & 750 in sides.. I wish I could have run it at 750.
When you go to 500 it'll dry you out really quick.
Thanks mate. I will look out for these too.I started to get prostate issues: feeling like I wasn't emptying my bladder out completely and urinary urgency. My hair was shedding pretty bad at 750 too.
When I bumped the dose down to 500mg everything went back to normal. That of course is just how I respond to epiandro.
Do you only do keto for cutting or are you full time?Hell yeah br1ck_sh1thouse.. awesome success on that recomp; really can't argue with that. I always lose a little strength in keto, even after I get adapted my lifts go down... so I try to consume as much protein and carbs as possible before getting thrown out of keto... last time I ran it I weighed 170ish and was consuming ~170p and 50-60carbs and remained in ketosis.
Only for cutting. I think it's impossible to put on LBM while in ketosis. Also, the discipline of keto gets hard for me socially, and I am trying really hard not to become a high maintenance narcissists with my sleep/training/diet needs. Know what I mean?Do you only do keto for cutting or are you full time?
Just embrace narcissism man, there is a correlation between narcissism and success!Only for cutting. I think it's impossible to put on LBM while in ketosis. Also, the discipline of keto gets hard for me socially, and I am trying really hard not to become a high maintenance narcissists with my sleep/training/diet needs. Know what I mean?
That's very trueJust embrace narcissism man, there is a correlation between narcissism and success!
You say impossible to put on LBM while in ketosis. Even on a calorie surplus?Just embrace narcissism man, there is a correlation between narcissism and success!
Not impossible IMO, but the amount of LBM will be much much lower than consuming strategically timing carbsYou say impossible to put on LBM while in ketosis. Even on a calorie surplus?
I think it all depends on the person, if I go out of keto and put weight on eating carbs no matter how cleanly I eat it tends to be bloat and/or fat with little muscle. When I put weight on while in keto it's all solid rock hard muscle. My brother in law is very similar to me but then all my friends are the opposite. I think it's worth experimenting and figuring it out. Plus for me by eating keto my energy levels are constant all day long instead of up and down.You say impossible to put on LBM while in ketosis. Even on a calorie surplus?
This is all very true for me too. I am very carb sensitive and hold a lot of water weight with carbs which is why I chose Keto.I think it all depends on the person, if I go out of keto and put weight on eating carbs no matter how cleanly I eat it tends to be bloat and/or fat with little muscle. When I put weight on while in keto it's all solid rock hard muscle. My brother in law is very similar to me but then all my friends are the opposite. I think it's worth experimenting and figuring it out. Plus for me by eating keto my energy levels are constant all day long instead of up and down.
Yes true. I was thinking of just adding a small amount before and after training when my receptors are primed and open for the use of insulinNot impossible IMO, but the amount of LBM will be much much lower than consuming strategically timing carbs
Start a week with post and then add some pre as wellYes true. I was thinking of just adding a small amount before and after training when my receptors are primed and open for the use of insulin
How would this help with taking carbs? Does it act like a GDA?You could also add a GDA... or take that Follidrone you're saving for PCT
Yes follidrone does act like a GDAHow would this help with taking carbs? Does it act like a GDA?
Good stuff mate. Bring on dem gainzYea, I am sitting roughly around the same weight bench mark at Day 20 (nearing the end of week 3). I'm near to around 3kgs up, however this is most likely due to the bulking diet! I have had quite a few compliments on size changes etc, having met up with old alumni who I haven't seen in ages (good litmus test).
Like you I'm waiting to see what the effects are as of this week 4!
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Anyone else notice this? I figured someone would have gave him some further advice.20 mg of 4 ad taken before train and 20 before bed (dissolving tab)
20mg 1 andro taken same way about 10 min apart
Thats impressive man. Keep it up!Day 24
Quick update guys and gals. I'm up to 90kg. That's a whopping 6kg/13.2 pounds!!! In 24 days. I really did not expect gains like this. I look quite a bit bigger but not fatter which is good. I'm going HAM in the gym though which is helping as I've noticed the Epi PWO seems to make me strong as fck.
Thanks buddyThats impressive man. Keep it up!
Jathan where did you read this? Is it someone's log?Anyone else notice this? I figured someone would have gave him some further advice.
40mg of each of those a day is pointless. That's 8.25x less than the recommended dose of 330mg each.
Olympus Labs UK has the best deal on it, right now especially.
Page 2, Post #48 of this threadJathan where did you read this? Is it someone's log?
Yes I see it now. I believe Tymba started his cycle and cut it after only a few days from what I read. Maybe Tymba can shed more light on thisPage 2, Post #48 of this thread
Yes I see it now. I believe Tymba started his cycle and cut it after only a few days from what I read. Maybe Tymba can shed more light on thisPage 2, Post #48 of this thread
Yes I see it now. I believe Tymba started his cycle and cut it after only a few days from what I read. Maybe Tymba can shed more light on thisPage 2, Post #48 of this thread
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