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Wow. Seriously? I too have two dogs. So stupid to use him as a spokes person.
 
obviously you havent heard him speak since he has been released....and we all make mistakes. im sure you arent perfect also, and if people hated you for something you did in the past, i sure think you wouldnt be too happy about it
 
R1balla said:
obviously you havent heard him speak since he has been released....and we all make mistakes. im sure you arent perfect also, and if people hated you for something you did in the past, i sure think you wouldnt be too happy about it
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I hope you know I think very highly of you, but what he did wasn't a mistake (also, you're a little biased in this lol). A mistake implies by accident or without intent and what he did was subhuman. That said, people are free to buy or not buy from a company. There really is no point in arguing MP's decision. I'm more pissed off because of the suma root decision:P
 
i was a mike vick fan when he was at VT bro. even better now that he is in Philly. do i think that he did was wrong? yes, i do. im a dog lover and owner. own a golden retriever. did you ever hear that Ray Lewis was a main part in a HUMAN murder?? no cause he was in the car when it happened and he didnt do it, but he was with the group when the group did it. sure dog fighting is wrong, but IMO, we all mess up. who am i to judge somebody? who gave me that authority to tell somebody they cant do something because i think its wrong? he learned from his mistakes. you cant compare his social life with his life as an athlete. Hes the most athletic person in the NFL hands down. look at Tiger, i grew up being a huge Tiger fan. do i think what he did was wrong? yes. still love him as a golfer though.
 
I'm not saying you have to judge or not judge. I agree with most of your points, but I think that Vick is not sorry for what he did. He is sorry he got caught just like most criminals. But that is just my opinion and nothing more. All I'm saying is that I don't see the point in arguing about whether this was a smart move by MP. It's a business and if they want to take a chance on Vick, then cool. They have plenty of other athletes that I do respect, but that isn't why I even bought Assault....it was because Rosie praised it and so I checked it out;)
 
you know an athlete is the founder of MP

and nobody will know if he is truly sorry or not

does Assault give you an upset stomach?
 
People do worse things in the world. I agree it was terrible what he did but his spotlight of fame blew it more out of proportion then it should have. People do worse things or the same things everyday. The fact that he is in the media just made it worse. Its funny how people get this upset over dog fighting when millions of babies are aborted every year :O did i just say that?
 
i completely agree with that. ppl get murdered, shot up, aborting babies, robberies, torture, molestation and ppl wana focus on dog fighting? get real
 
R1balla said:
you know an athlete is the founder of MP

and nobody will know if he is truly sorry or not

does Assault give you an upset stomach?
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No. It does not upset my stomach at all. However the direction this thread turned does upset my stomach and thus this will be the last I contribute to it.
 
I agree with you aleksander. And I'm sure we relieze there are other horrible crimes being committed everyday but that doesn't make this one any less despicable. But I could honestly care less who mp endorses. I don't buy sh$t cause I see a picture of an athlete next to I buy a product because it works and that's that nothing more. And I too am upset they took the suma root out of assault. It was my new fav pre workout now it's nothing better then most other preworkouts out now. I will go back to using litup anadraulic state and rag.
 
I am sure they could have picked a better choice than a dog killer. Athlete or not I would not want a dog killer as a spokes person. It was not just one dog. It was more than one dog. How can killing more than one dog be a accident? I think that is called purpose. I don't like the purpose of what they where doing. Espically as dog owners.
 
I am not a Vick fan, but I see major contrition in his actions. There are many cultures in which dog fighting is accepted and, from what I understand, he grew up in one of these. Hell, in the South, it is very common to find dog fighting rings. That is by no means an excuse, but it's more of an indoctrination of his society. His actions lately (getting Congress involved to make it a felony to bring a minor to dog fighting) have swayed to believe that he is legitimately sorry for what he did and his past. As someone already said, who are we to judge him? Yes, he was found to be guilty of a horrible crime, but he has shown accountability in his actions and paid his debt to society. I hear all the time that people should be given a second chance, but I very rarely find this to be the case in someone's actions.

BTW, you're not going to find a much bigger dog lover than me. I have 3 right now and will have at least this many for the rest of my life.
 
Just because you believe in second chances doesn't mean its right? It's like saying I will give you a bonus at work even though you only where there 50% of the time. If we gave people who did things that where wrong and when I mean wrong knowning it is not the right thing to do a second chances I think its wrong. It is not like he was forced to do it. He choose to do it. I won't be able to support a company who supports this kind of actions.
 
Rodja said:
I am not a Vick fan, but I see major contrition in his actions. There are many cultures in which dog fighting is accepted and, from what I understand, he grew up in one of these. Hell, in the South, it is very common to find dog fighting rings. That is by no means an excuse, but it's more of an indoctrination of his society.
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Agreed. Hell you can find this around the world with all animals...Doesn't make it right but if you are raised in that environment and have nobody around telling you right vs wrong, its pretty easy to to "tune out" or simply be ignorant of societies "norms".

Tell a bullfighter what he's doing is morally wrong and he would look at you like you're nuts.
 
R1balla said:
i completely agree with that. ppl get murdered, shot up, aborting babies, robberies, torture, molestation and ppl wana focus on dog fighting? get real
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You could make the same argument for hunters....last time I checked we don't really need to hunt and gather our food and the deer doen'st know he's playing the game....but that doen'st stop people blasting bambi and mounting them on a wall. But in our society, its accepted as a norm so its ok....
 
djbombsquad said:
Just because you believe in second chances doesn't mean its right? It's like saying I will give you a bonus at work even though you only where there 50% of the time. If we gave people who did things that where wrong and when I mean wrong knowning it is not the right thing to do a second chances I think its wrong. It is not like he was forced to do it. He choose to do it. I won't be able to support a company who supports this kind of actions.
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Dude, can you read? At any point did I say that I condone what he did? No, you won't find that at all. You sound like a hypocrite to me and are exactly what I'm talking about when I say there is a huge difference in saying you believe in second chances and giving someone a legitimate second chance. Part of the reason that it's so hard for anyone with a felony on their record is people turn them away just because of 1 event in their life and that's part of the reason why they end up back in prison. I personally know someone that is absolutely brilliant with a Master's degree, but can't even get a job interview because he has a felony on his record. By your logic, anyone with any sort of criminal record shouldn't be given a second chance.
 
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You could make the same argument for hunters....last time I checked we don't really need to hunt and gather our food and the deer doen'st know he's playing the game....but that doen'st stop people blasting bambi and mounting them on a wall. But in our society , its accepted as a norm so its ok....
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can't buy deer very many places though plus its a meat that is less trained tainted by environmental and human polutants
 
fightbackhxc said:
can't buy deer very many places though plus its a meat that is less trained tainted by environmental and human polutants
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Dogs are eaten in poorer areas of the world. When it comes down to it, you're equating an animal to an animal....In the US dogs are giving higher standards due to our culture....
 
Rodja said:
I am not a Vick fan, but I see major contrition in his actions. There are many cultures in which dog fighting is accepted and, from what I understand, he grew up in one of these. Hell, in the South, it is very common to find dog fighting rings. That is by no means an excuse, but it's more of an indoctrination of his society. His actions lately (getting Congress involved to make it a felony to bring a minor to dog fighting) have swayed to believe that he is legitimately sorry for what he did and his past. As someone already said, who are we to judge him? Yes, he was found to be guilty of a horrible crime, but he has shown accountability in his actions and paid his debt to society. I hear all the time that people should be given a second chance, but I very rarely find this to be the case in someone's actions.

BTW, you're not going to find a much bigger dog lover than me. I have 3 right now and will have at least this many for the rest of my life.
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I agree with this. In parts of the South dogfighting has always been huge. Does this make what he did right? Of course not. It does give some room for thought however IMO. Plus Michael Vick has paid his debt to society. We have a system where someone is penalized and after they serve the penalty they are free. I don't know how anyone could think Michael Vick hasn't repaid his debt to society at this point. And now he is trying to get a bill passed that makes being at a dogfighting event a crime.

That doesn't mean I love Michael Vick, agree with his actions, or anything. He did a dirty thing, he got caught, he served his time. It APPEARS he is trying to make some type of amends for his actions. At the end of the day I will support Muscle Pharm products because they work. I don't really know the spokespeople for a lot of supplement companies because I don't care. I don't support companies based on who they have speak for them or what those people look like or what they did in the past. I support companies who have products that work.
 
Second chances? It is not like he made one mistake. He killed more than one dog your aware of this. Second chances are for mistakes I undrstand. Not only did he do it on purpose there was gambling involved too if I remember correctly. Also what ever happened to MP's old company?
 
People get murdered all the time and you guys just say, oh, another murder in chicago. c'mon people. I live in houston and many people fight dogs down here. its just something that goes on around the south. ppl fight chickens, ppl kill deer. and to the poster who said we cant buy deer, well you dont HAVE to eat deer now do you. chicken and steak are just fine. so dont give me that bull. you hunt because its fun. killing a deer is a rush, i know cause i hunt. is it wrong? there is a debate to that. but if somebody wants to tell me hunting is wrong, then so be it.

we grow up thinking hunting is ok like vick grew up thinking dog fighting is ok. once we are caught, would you stop? sure you would. same for vick. my gosh, you guys act like he is adolf or somebody. many people do worse things on the daily basis. it just doesnt get exposed cause of the media. vick is a star. anything he does will be exposed.

think twice before you judge somebody, for you will soon be judged back.
 
flightposite said:
I agree with you aleksander. And I'm sure we relieze there are other horrible crimes being committed everyday but that doesn't make this one any less despicable. But I could honestly care less who mp endorses. I don't buy sh$t cause I see a picture of an athlete next to I buy a product because it works and that's that nothing more. And I too am upset they took the suma root out of assault. It was my new fav pre workout now it's nothing better then most other preworkouts out now. I will go back to using litup anadraulic state and rag.
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Yes, I said I was done with this thread and I am. This is directly to flightposite since his inbox is full;) You should give Wicked a try. I've been really happy with it and Taurus and their reps are really great people!
 
I hunt because deer meat is cheap, tastes better, its healthier, and sitting out in the woods at 4am in the freezing cold gives a lot of time to think about life.

And although i dont necessarily agree with dog fighting, fighting animals has long roots in every part of the world. We cant rly change it and it doesnt define a person... or a company sponsoring a person, so i dont see why its stirring up so much commotion?
 
i agree. also, there are underground fighting leagues where people die.....but i think ima complain about dogs instead.
 
Unless the humans are forced to fight That's completely different. Because the dogs are forced for human entertainment. ;) but just because there are lots of wrongs in this world still doesn't make it anymore right and the argument that it's always been done doesn't make it right either. This is kinda funny. But I agree he has paid his debt as far as the justice system is concerned. But doesn't mean his mistake won't and shouldn't haunt him. And it doesn't mean everyone has to forget his action and start praising him. If some people still like him cool. If people liked him while he murdered dogs cool. But don't blame others for not liking him for what he did. It goes both ways. Mp can sponsor who ever they want and people can like or not like whomever aswell.

Sorry in advance for all the errors I was busy at work and did this quickly from my iPhone.
I guess all I'm getting at is I really don't care if some people like him but don't get your panties in a bunch when people voice there dislike towards him as well.
 
Oh and thank you aleksander for the recommendation. I cleared some of my messages. Wyked looks like a great one I'm going to have to try. Have you tried tthe da-hcg yet? I really like that one from tuarus as well.
 
flightposite said:
Oh and thank you aleksander for the recommendation. I cleared some of my messages. Wyked looks like a great one I'm going to have to try. Have you tried tthe da-hcg yet? I really like that one from tuarus as well.
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I have only tried Wyked and 7-ke from them and have been extremely pleased with both. I haven't tried the DA-HCG yet, but have been happy with DAA in general.
 
djbombsquad said:
Second chances? It is not like he made one mistake. He killed more than one dog your aware of this. Second chances are for mistakes I undrstand. Not only did he do it on purpose there was gambling involved too if I remember correctly. Also what ever happened to MP's old company?
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Of course he did it on purpose, how many crimes are not done on purpose? That isn't really adding to the argument. So in your opinion should he still be in jail? He spent like 18 months in jail after a plea deal. The sentence cost him millions of dollars. He has easily paid more for dogfighting than any other human in history. And you don't think he's paid his debt to society?
 
Let the whole dog thing go .. To the OP u vegetarian ?

And yea he did his time ..and to hear him speak now shows how much he realized what he did was wrong
 
seccsi said:
Of course he did it on purpose, how many crimes are not done on purpose? That isn't really adding to the argument. So in your opinion should he still be in jail? He spent like 18 months in jail after a plea deal. The sentence cost him millions of dollars. He has easily paid more for dogfighting than any other human in history. And you don't think he's paid his debt to society?
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Some crimes may not have been the fault of the person if they got set up for it. I understand it cost him millians and so I believe he does not need to go to jail but every time I think of MP I think of dead dogs. That is not the image I would like to be thinking about every time I take suppements. I think he should not repersent any company for what he did. That should be his punishment.
 
GQNemesis said:
Let the whole dog thing go .. To the OP u vegetarian ?

And yea he did his time ..and to hear him speak now shows how much he realized what he did was wrong
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EXACTLY. if you have every heard him speak, he truly sounds sorry. he doesnt sound like Tiger Woods did in his press conference about his wife, simply reading something that somebody else had written
 
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