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monsterbox said:
have you used sd?
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M-Drol was my first cycle and I was very uneducated about what I was taking. My PCT consisted of Formadrol Extreme. Luckily I bounced back pretty quickly from that and have no gyno.

I used Tamox and PCS on my Epistane cycle and will be using the same protocol on my current one. The only difference is since P-Plex and Tren are progesterone I have added Alri Restore for it's AI properties.
 
Honestly for me torem did nothing for my sensitive nips.. The moment I hit the nolva that subsided after Id been on torem for 4 days into PCT. IDK maybe its just me but am I the only one who is not impressed about ur gains?? You put on a lot of weight in a short period of time and You started using steroids at 150 lbs. Not very hard to put on weight when your that small. Bottom line torem didnt help with gyno symptoms for me. Just giving u a heads up.
 
Marsh11 said:
Honestly for me torem did nothing for my sensitive nips.. The moment I hit the nolva that subsided after Id been on torem for 4 days into PCT. IDK maybe its just me but am I the only one who is not impressed about ur gains?? You put on a lot of weight in a short period of time and You started using steroids at 150 lbs. Not very hard to put on weight when your that small. Bottom line torem didnt help with gyno symptoms for me. Just giving u a heads up.
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No, I started using havoc at after shredding down to 160lbs exactly. I was 5' 7.5'' and probably under 8% bodyfat. I wouldn't consider that small...small are these 6 ft guys weighing 175.


I dont have any gyno symptoms and I probably wont...I'm using the torem as my pct option to restart my test production. Nolva will be used immediately for any gyno symptoms.

My worry is what to do after 4 weeks of SERM is finished and test is back...what to do to prevent estrogen rebound.
 
Update on the P-Plex:

Let my friend try the p-plex. Hes 5% BF 160lbs 5' 7'' and he's ran epistane a year ago.

Hes been taking 20mg/day for 7 days and says he notices a little more vascularity and pumps, but could be placebo. Says its nothing compared to his epi run....he thinks its underdosed.
 
monsterbox said:
No, I started using havoc at after shredding down to 160lbs exactly. I was 5' 7.5'' and probably under 8% bodyfat. I wouldn't consider that small...small are these 6 ft guys weighing 175.


I dont have any gyno symptoms and I probably wont...I'm using the torem as my pct option to restart my test production. Nolva will be used immediately for any gyno symptoms.

My worry is what to do after 4 weeks of SERM is finished and test is back...what to do to prevent estrogen rebound.
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monster

always great to read all your posts man! keep it up.

and especially glad you defended the smaller guys here --- like me--- and compared them to the 6ft 175 ones. Tired of that crap on here-- glad you wrote about it bro!


boo
 
Marsh11 said:
Honestly for me torem did nothing for my sensitive nips.. The moment I hit the nolva that subsided after Id been on torem for 4 days into PCT. IDK maybe its just me but am I the only one who is not impressed about ur gains?? You put on a lot of weight in a short period of time and You started using steroids at 150 lbs. Not very hard to put on weight when your that small. Bottom line torem didnt help with gyno symptoms for me. Just giving u a heads up.
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same exact **** happened with me.. i was using torem and it did nothing for my nips.. got on nolva and it cleared everything up right away
 
Back to the topic of this LOG............
Well Monster I hope you keep the updates of your weight and strength gains on the SD coming..
To hell with all the BS you went thru with the PPlex, and everyone's unsolicted and repetitive opinions and judgements of your PH/PS use.. you'd think they'd respect that this is a LOG and not a open ended disscussion of their ethnical views of when to use PH/PS..... that way this LOG wouldn't be cluttered up with repetitive unsolicted BS...
So no matter how long you run this SD.. well eat up, drive hard, and fill us in on the action.. that's why I subbed to this LOG..
 
monsterbox said:
Update on the P-Plex:

Let my friend try the p-plex. Hes 5% BF 160lbs 5' 7'' and he's ran epistane a year ago.

Hes been taking 20mg/day for 7 days and says he notices a little more vascularity and pumps, but could be placebo. Says its nothing compared to his epi run....he thinks its underdosed.
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he just started so how can he say that? Epi acts faster than Phera ime.
monsterbox said:
No, I started using havoc at after shredding down to 160lbs exactly. I was 5' 7.5'' and probably under 8% bodyfat. I wouldn't consider that small...small are these 6 ft guys weighing 175.


I dont have any gyno symptoms and I probably wont...I'm using the torem as my pct option to restart my test production. Nolva will be used immediately for any gyno symptoms.

My worry is what to do after 4 weeks of SERM is finished and test is back...what to do to prevent estrogen rebound.
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You can do something like HX2 for a month, starting at week 4. Are you using an AI in postcycle already? From my experience 6bromo has no rebound, ATD does slightly imo
 
monsterbox said:
have you used sd?
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i've used sd with just reveristol and lean extreme. I had slight increase in strength and no weight loss. it's all logged in the pct forum. and before anyone goes crazy look up my review in the PCT forum and you'll understand my choice
 
1st off I want to apologize for what I said earlier. You have obvi made solid progress and have your act together. I ll tell you what happened that night.. My younger brother calls me up and apparently he has been getting onto this website and he is almost 18 and a senior. Well he says he wants to try Havoc and refers to your progress personally. I tell him I ll put my foot up his ass if he touches that sh*t. Younger kids get on here and look at the transformations you have made being younger and all and want the same when they dont realize what u put into it. This obvi goes for more than just you but this is my example. Were constantly preaching wait until youve maxed your genetic potential before using but then yournger guys see this and want to jump right into something. Sorry for the hijack. Best of luck.

Marsh
 
Marsh11 said:
1st off I want to apologize for what I said earlier. You have obvi made solid progress and have your act together. I ll tell you what happened that night.. My younger brother calls me up and apparently he has been getting onto this website and he is almost 18 and a senior. Well he says he wants to try Havoc and refers to your progress personally. I tell him I ll put my foot up his ass if he touches that sh*t. Younger kids get on here and look at the transformations you have made being younger and all and want the same when they dont realize what u put into it. This obvi goes for more than just you but this is my example. Were constantly preaching wait until youve maxed your genetic potential before using but then yournger guys see this and want to jump right into something. Sorry for the hijack. Best of luck.

Marsh
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I think I put too much emphasis on havoc as being the product of my transformation, when most of it was hardcore dedicated working/sleeping/dieting and constantly changing my routine...and not to mention my age. In the grand scheme of things, I only ran havoc for a total of 7 weeks in the past 14 months. There is no way anyone is going to gain as much weight as I did if they think havoc is the key. Its annoying how the vast majority of society believes that AAS will automatically make you huge and they attribute any progress to the steroids alone.

According to the principles of most body builders on this website, I indeed admit that I started way before my genetic potential with steroids. However, it takes a sh*t load of time to reach one's genetic potential...years and years and years, I doubt 10% of AAS users on AM have actually waited until their absolute genetic potential. People blame long plateaus as their genetic barrier when its really their training/dieting.

Honestly, I didn't/don't care about hitting my genetic potential before using AAS. My goal is not to be as large as my body will possibly grow. I don't want to be Olympia size. I don't WANT to surpass my genetics with steroids...so in my situation, I really don't care about waiting until then. However, I do agree that people with a normal or below normal BMI should not waste their body/time with steroids..you should at least look like your pretty big and be suspected of steroid use before jumping on them.
 
I absolutely agree. People that are educated on the subject know that it takes a lot more than a couple cycles to make that amount of weight gain and keep it. You obvi eat a ton as I ve seen you post ur meal plans. Younger guys still learning dont see that, they just see that outcome. Like I said I was just mad at my bro at the time and took it out on here.
 
monsterbox, i by no means want to tell you what to do, but i think you should start a new thread. A lot has been said here that is best off being forgotten. And people should be able to see what Superdrol does without going through 13 pages.

Just MHO
 
New Thread

This thread has slowly changed from MY log into a community Sh*t Show.

I have created a new thread. See you guys over there.

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Just wanted to add in that we got the test result back from the P-Plex batch that was being questioned in this thread. Once again, for the third time it tested out at 99.9% purity, same as it did the previous two times it was tested. That is two seperate labs coming up with the same result, one of the labs coming up with it twice. Fact is, not everything works for everyone, and we get questioned about quality alot, but we go out or our way far more than any other company that I know of to prove that our items are what they are supposed to be.

Anyone that is overly worried about the batch, I will be glad to switch it out with them (sealed bottles only). PM me if need be. However, as stated, the batch has been tested 3 times now.
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
Just wanted to add in that we got the test result back from the P-Plex batch that was being questioned in this thread. Once again, for the third time it tested out at 99.9% purity, same as it did the previous two times it was tested. That is two seperate labs coming up with the same result, one of the labs coming up with it twice. Fact is, not everything works for everyone, and we get questioned about quality alot, but we go out or our way far more than any other company that I know of to prove that our items are what they are supposed to be.

Anyone that is overly worried about the batch, I will be glad to switch it out with them (sealed bottles only). PM me if need be. However, as stated, the batch has been tested 3 times now.
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Liver enzymes are AST = 284 and ALT - 523

WTF is going on? I took milk thistle and liv 52...only 8 days on SD and 20 days on PP
 
hmmmmmm i guess the PP was legit then huh? :trout:
either that or the liver support is doing more harm than good :hammer:
 
pistonpump said:
hmmmmmm i guess the PP was legit then huh? :trout:
either that or the liver support is doing more harm than good :hammer:
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so what should I do? Obviously I quit cycle.

Is it out of ordinary to see values like this during a cycle? I've only been on a total of 29 days if you include SD. This is like off the charts.

What should I expect to happen to me? Take my toremifene?
 
monsterbox said:
so what should I do? Obviously I quit cycle.

Is it out of ordinary to see values like this during a cycle? I've only been on a total of 29 days if you include SD. This is like off the charts.

What should I expect to happen to me? Take my toremifene?
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My AST went as high as 56 during Havoc-- Ive yet to get any with the PCT till next week.

Yours are a bit high but Ive seen higher in patients at the hospital like in the 10,000 range. Watch it. You must stop any kind of ANYthing that effects the liver.

Then get this repeated in a week. What does the MD say?

There is also that liver flush (olive oil and lemon jucie)-- been used for years to rid it of toxcity.
 
the MD I went too didn't know anything, Ive got an appointment with an Upper GI doctor who see's high liver value patients all the time friday.

I've dosed torem twice...the day I stopped and yesterday at 70mg. I"m now just running reversitol at 2caps/day
 
monsterbox said:
the MD I went too didn't know anything, Ive got an appointment with an Upper GI doctor who see's high liver value patients all the time friday.

I've dosed torem twice...the day I stopped and yesterday at 70mg. I"m now just running reversitol at 2caps/day
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probably your best bet. use the torem if gyno starts arising. You wont recover as quick but itll save you some more liver stress.
 
i think your to young to be experiencing problems like the ones you have. Granted you gained size, but you now have poor health. Id pray man. lol
 
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