MK-677

smith_69 said:
what amounts are you guys researching with and for how long are you running it- with the longer half life of Mk, when are you administering?
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I'm doing 10mg for a whole year straight, dosing in the evening at some point. I'm not strict, I used to dose strictly before bed but after messing around with my dosage time, it really doesn't make a difference to me. I also don't have any lethargy this time around.
 
smith_69 said:
what amounts are you guys researching with and for how long are you running it- with the longer half life of Mk, when are you administering?
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For right now I'm using 20mg about 30-45min before bed, I plan on running a minimum of 8 weeks, depends how supply is looking
 
ok, havent used this one yet- runnng LGD right now, but everything i am reading- longer seems to be better on this. reading reports about taking in the am or night and IMHO i think it really depends on the user. as long as its being watched to see what works best in that situation-
 
Freakin love ghar1ne. Still have 3 unopened bottles. All I do is train eat and sleep. (aside from work)
Ghar1ne contributes so much to this though.
 
I really need to pick some more mk 677 up. Does anybody have an opinion regarding Fight Pharm's versus Focused Nutrition's MK 677 products? Prices, dosages, effectiveness?
 
using Liquid LG now from another company, so I cant say yea or nay. regardless of what is being said, pos or neg you are going to be the one to truly know. sucky answer i know. havent really heard anyone complaining about PF or Focus, but your choice
 
I recently ran out of the brand of MK I was using and just switch to Fight Pham, I believe the Fight Pham may be more potent than the previous brand, I have more hunger and deeper sleep lately (and some really weird dreams)
 
UncleSarm said:
Rocket3015 I just noticed you're 190 lbs at 5'5". I'm jealous, now I feel like a skinny beanpole. How many chicken breasts are you eating??
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Well, Thank you and I do eat a lot of chicken (& Venison). If you would like to know a bit about me see my latest log,

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Took my first cap of focused nutrition MK before bed last night. I kept waking up in the middle of the night. Didn't seem to impact my appetite yet though.
 
dcne02 said:
Took my first cap of focused nutrition MK before bed last night. I kept waking up in the middle of the night. Didn't seem to impact my appetite yet though.
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That's pretty standard, it'll settle down.
 
I intend to do just this.
whilst the arganine stack is good, I dont suppose its anywhere near a compound be it real GH or mk677

Have you done any research? Im still strugglign to find a) who makes it commercially and b) chemical trials

Ostarine, at least we can follow the thrid stage of testing.
 
whos still pumping it out commercially?

Many have stopped due to the sarms ban or other reasons - i dont want to have to rely on battery acid from china
 
So how bad is the lethargy on this? I have some Gharine, but I'm a bit afraid to run it because I have a 1 hour commute each way to work and I can't be nodding off.

Would something like EC help?
 
raekwonse said:
So how bad is the lethargy on this? I have some Gharine, but I'm a bit afraid to run it because I have a 1 hour commute each way to work and I can't be nodding off.

Would something like EC help?
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Everyone responds differently, you won't know until you try it.
Begin with taking 10mg within an hour of bed, run this for a few weeks at least before going to 20mg.
Adjusting the timing of your dose can alter the onset of lethargy.
 
Toff said:
whos still pumping it out commercially?

Many have stopped due to the sarms ban or other reasons - i dont want to have to rely on battery acid from china
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most of the companies that are selling the sarms are getting the raws directly from China. there are numerous sites that have direct leads to bulk supplies from dist in China that are more than eager to take an order. battery acid or not, odds are its a china product. might be mixed together in the USA, but product is outsourced.

secondly- its not a ban on sarms. its legal aspect of selling a product that is not clinically approved for human consumption. Yet companies are still selling this until one particular lawsuit which if you don't know was started by 1 sup company informing the gov about another sup company selling a patent product for human use. This is why you also see more people now on youtube and sellers stating not for human consumption and some companies don't want to wait for the laws to change so they have stopped making it to cut the loss & - selling off the remaining stock to other sup companies at a discount-

the real question that needs to be asked i"Are the companies not making the product anymore from an ethical standpoint, finical loss or possible lawsuits.
 
smith_69 said:
most of the companies that are selling the sarms are getting the raws directly from China. there are numerous sites that have direct leads to bulk supplies from dist in China that are more than eager to take an order. battery acid or not, odds are its a china product. might be mixed together in the USA, but product is outsourced.

secondly- its not a ban on sarms. its legal aspect of selling a product that is not clinically approved for human consumption. Yet companies are still selling this until one particular lawsuit which if you don't know was started by 1 sup company informing the gov about another sup company selling a patent product for human use. This is why you also see more people now on youtube and sellers stating not for human consumption and some companies don't want to wait for the laws to change so they have stopped making it to cut the loss & - selling off the remaining stock to other sup companies at a discount-

the real question that needs to be asked i"Are the companies not making the product anymore from an ethical standpoint, finical loss or possible lawsuits.
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Actually its more about the legality issues of selling a patented drug. The pharma companies started to catch on to this and were demanding for there money. Patent infringement is a big issue and anyone that still selling it is an Fing idiot.
 
rtmilburn said:
Actually its more about the legality issues of selling a patented drug. The pharma companies started to catch on to this and were demanding for there money. Patent infringement is a big issue and anyone that still selling it is an Fing idiot.
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I was reliably informed by one of the vendors friendly to AM that Fight Pharm was given a cease & desist directive on their SARMs. By whom & why I do not know, but this scenario certainly seems plausible.

Found a brief thread from late last year from Primeval Labs stating they were going to stop production of their SARMs & that no SARM product would be replaced once the retailers sold out. The rep would not elaborate why.
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One solution, move production, sales and export to china - it takes millions just to control one product replication china let alone companys that move around ,close and reopen etc.

Stay out of the western states and someone can do well, currently, as you say, its all chinese sourced but its also chinese delivered so its hard to find reputable outlets or not some guy making a buck on facebook.

No, supplement companies of any reputable history should be selling items not for human consumption as consumables with directions on the label.
If someone sold petrol in capsules for weight loss theyd be shutdown overnight.

The other questions for those wanting to caryr on production or even make some money on a start-up out of china with funky labels and the like, which company will sue or try to sue. Only the guys making ostarine i would expect right now... i dont even know who makes mk677 or where it came from, so the safety profile is nonexistent, the company behind it even more so.
 
in fact, check that Reverse Pharmacology make MK677 known as Nutrabol

No clinical studies that i can find yet
 
Toff said:
in fact, check that Reverse Pharmacology make MK677 known as Nutrabol

No clinical studies that i can find yet
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Reverse Pharmacology- I am guessing that you are referring to the process of clinical tests target discovery, not a company correct? As far as some studies, hate to bore some, but here are a few:

Second International Meeting of Growth Hormone Research Society which was supported by Merck Labs and it was published over 20 years ago,
Department of Medicine, University of Virginia

the final testing for human clinical trials has come to somewhat of a halt even though these Sarms have been researched and produce results better than w/o the drug itself. Research shows progress, but on long term results vs the cost this is were the issue comes to head. Most labs pulled the funding for further human clinical studies; again this is not uncommon and happens.
 
I've been cruising at 10mg 2 hours before bed. Is it worth trying to go to 20 ed? For those that did, what were the differences you noticed?
 
dcne02 said:
I've been cruising at 10mg 2 hours before bed. Is it worth trying to go to 20 ed? For those that did, what were the differences you noticed?
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If it's working at 10 mg I would stay there. Only thing I noticed upping the dose was increased bloating.
 
dcne02 said:
I've been cruising at 10mg 2 hours before bed. Is it worth trying to go to 20 ed? For those that did, what were the differences you noticed?
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As mentioned, if you're happy with 10mg, stay there. I was on 10mg pre-bed for ~ 2.5 months. By that time, the positive effect on sleep had vanished so I decided to up it to 20mg. Immediately the deeper sleep came back and I believe my recovery from workouts is much better. It's almost impossible to get DOMs right now. If you start to see diminished results at 10, bump to 20 and assess. Everyone will respond differently.
 
I have been wanting to try mk-677 myself but haven't got around to it yet. I wonder how it would work with sermorelin
 
TGB1987 said:
I have been wanting to try mk-677 myself but haven't got around to it yet. I wonder how it would work with sermorelin
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I'm running with ipamorelin right now. Only 9 days into the ipam though so nothing crazy yet. I love mk 677 though.
 
Tonight will be night 5 of 10mg Gharine MK-677. I gotta be honest men, when does the hunger hit? I dropped to 2400kcals from 3000 for this Ostarine cut and thought I would be STARVING! I actually feel less hungry throughout the day for some really fricken weird reason. Heck, it's 8AM now and I have another 30 minutes before cardio while the Eviscerate absorbs - I haven't eaten since 6PM last night - I'm fine. Had some numbing at night, but I can't be positive that I just wasn't sleeping on my arm or something. Any way, that's the day 5 report.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Tonight will be night 5 of 10mg Gharine MK-677. I gotta be honest men, when does the hunger hit? I dropped to 2400kcals from 3000 for this Ostarine cut and thought I would be STARVING! I actually feel less hungry throughout the day for some really fricken weird reason. Heck, it's 8AM now and I have another 30 minutes before cardio while the Eviscerate absorbs - I haven't eaten since 6PM last night - I'm fine. Had some numbing at night, but I can't be positive that I just wasn't sleeping on my arm or something. Any way, that's the day 5 report.
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Yep no hunger increase for me either. Maybe a slight increase when I wake up, but that's about it
 
20mg of Mk made me ravenous...briefly. 10mg not so much.

Splitting my osta dose from 25mg once daily to 15mg in the morn & 10mg pre-training actually made me hungrier.

Osta + MK = awesome for bodyweight + kettlebell training. Great body composition & a bit more size this time around. 2 - 3 serves a day of BPI Build HD creatine & some bcaa's is helping too.
 
cheeky1 said:
20mg of Mk made me ravenous...briefly. 10mg not so much.

Splitting my osta dose from 25mg once daily to 15mg in the morn & 10mg pre-training actually made me hungrier.

Osta + MK = awesome for bodyweight + kettlebell training. Great body composition & a bit more size this time around. 2 - 3 serves a day of BPI Blox is helping too.
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I'm doing 12mg of Osta (I had a still good bottle of BSL PCT IV that I was darn well going to get my money out of) in the AM, and 5mg of OL Osta in the PM.

I don't know if I'm going to go to 20mg of MK-677 - I'd have to see what would be better: More for less days, or less for more days :)
 
I am taking 10mg of mk. Before bed for almost a month now and I had a few nagging injuries sore wrist knee and shoulder and then have all gone away Hunger is major first thing in the morning but after I eat it's normal throughout the rest of the day
 
The_Old_Guy said:
I'm doing 12mg of Osta (I had a still good bottle of BSL PCT IV that I was darn well going to get my money out of) in the AM, and 5mg of OL Osta in the PM.

I don't know if I'm going to go to 20mg of MK-677 - I'd have to see what would be better: More for less days, or less for more days :)
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Lower for longer gets my vote. Been on MK-677 for over 4 months now. Went up to 30 mg but bloated bad and didn't see any additional benefits. Tapered back to 10 mg and still have great sleep quality and a respectable but not uncontrollable appetite. I've been hoping for joint benefits but have not found them at any dose.
 
Jebrook said:
Lower for longer gets my vote. Been on MK-677 for over 4 months now. Went up to 30 mg but bloated bad and didn't see any additional benefits. Tapered back to 10 mg and still have great sleep quality and a respectable but not uncontrollable appetite. I've been hoping for joint benefits but have not found them at any dose.
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I second the 10mg

Dang I was really hoping for some joint benefits as well.
 
Burnfire said:
I second the 10mg

Dang I was really hoping for some joint benefits as well.
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That was my main reason for taking it. Well, that and sleep. Sleep quality is awesome! I always wake up fresh and recharged even on 6 or less hours. Lots of others have noted joint benefits though. Maybe my joint issues are related to something else entirely. Nothing seems to help and it's gotten much worse over the past year.
 
Jebrook said:
That was my main reason for taking it. Well, that and sleep. Sleep quality is awesome! I always wake up fresh and recharged even on 6 or less hours. Lots of others have noted joint benefits though. Maybe my joint issues are related to something else entirely. Nothing seems to help and it's gotten much worse over the past year.
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Ive been running 10 mg for about three months now. I've noticed the same things that you have that even on limited sleep I still wake up feeling refreshed. I've recently also thrown in SNS joint support XT and SNS cissus XT. They seem to be helping. Man I have all sorts of joint issues, that's why I have enough MK-677 for 15 months at 10mg. Figured a 9-12 months is a starting point and wanted to have more on hand.
 
Burnfire said:
Ive been running 10 mg for about three months now. I've noticed the same things that you have that even on limited sleep I still wake up feeling refreshed. I've recently also thrown in SNS joint support XT and SNS cissus XT. They seem to be helping. Man I have all sorts of joint issues, that's why I have enough MK-677 for 15 months at 10mg. Figured a 9-12 months is a starting point and wanted to have more on hand.
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Lol. I'm on Cissus and JS XT too. We're both falling apart.
 
I'm coming up on 49 soon, but my joints are great. Tendons on the other hand (elbow)... Unfortunately, I'm high-dosing B5 for them too, so can't even say if MK-677 helps (both in combination with eccentric loading therapy).
 
Burnfire said:
I second the 10mg

Dang I was really hoping for some joint benefits as well.
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Jebrook said:
Lol. I'm on Cissus and JS XT too. We're both falling apart.
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Osta + MK + a decent joint supp (I roll through a few depending on requirements) & my joints haven't felt this good in years. I felt better physically on 20mg of MK, but the lethargy was a killer so i'll stick to 10mg for 3 months then try 20mg again.

I gave a bottle of Ultimate Nutrition Joint Renew to a buddy to try & he raved about how quickly it worked. We've both used lots of joint products & I was sceptical, so when my last bottle of Infinite Labs Joint Support ran out I took nothing for 2 - 3 weeks, waiting for something to flare up. Sure enough my knee got cranky & I took 3 caps of Joint Renew before bed, sure that it wouldn't do anything as the cranky knee comes off my crappy ankle, and certain that there would be no legs trained the next day. I took 3 more caps in the morn & my knee felt so good later that day I trained legs. A day later & 3 caps morn & night & my knee feels good, not 100% but far better than expected. There's nothing special in that formula at first glance, except maybe the boron, but it sure seems to work & fast. I'm going to keep running it & see how the rest of me fares.
Might be worth a look for you guys too?
 
The_Old_Guy said:
I'm coming up on 49 soon, but my joints are great. Tendons on the other hand (elbow)... Unfortunately, I'm high-dosing B5 for them too, so can't even say if MK-677 helps (both in combination with eccentric loading therapy).
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I found AMS Joint Fixx to be great for assisting tendon repair, particularly sticky, inflamed & knotty tendons.
High dose NOW Joint Support powder has helped me too, the msm & collagen do the trick in my preworkout & protein shakes.
 
cheeky1 said:
I found AMS Joint Fixx to be great for assisting tendon repair, particularly sticky, inflamed & knotty tendons.
High dose NOW Joint Support powder has helped me too, the msm & collagen do the trick in my preworkout & protein shakes.
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cheeky1 said:
Osta + MK + a decent joint supp (I roll through a few depending on requirements) & my joints haven't felt this good in years. I felt better physically on 20mg of MK, but the lethargy was a killer so i'll stick to 10mg for 3 months then try 20mg again.

I gave a bottle of Ultimate Nutrition Joint Renew to a buddy to try & he raved about how quickly it worked. We've both used lots of joint products & I was sceptical, so when my last bottle of Infinite Labs Joint Support ran out I took nothing for 2 - 3 weeks, waiting for something to flare up. Sure enough my knee got cranky & I took 3 caps of Joint Renew before bed, sure that it wouldn't do anything as the cranky knee comes off my crappy ankle, and certain that there would be no legs trained the next day. I took 3 more caps in the morn & my knee felt so good later that day I trained legs. A day later & 3 caps morn & night & my knee feels good, not 100% but far better than expected. There's nothing special in that formula at first glance, except maybe the boron, but it sure seems to work & fast. I'm going to keep running it & see how the rest of me fares.
Might be worth a look for you guys too?
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I'll definitely have to give all of those a look into. It is something that I'm going to have to look after for the rest of my life. For right now I'm gonna stick with SNS for at least 6 months and see long term the benefits I can get
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Tonight will be night 5 of 10mg Gharine MK-677. I gotta be honest men, when does the hunger hit? I dropped to 2400kcals from 3000 for this Ostarine cut and thought I would be STARVING! I actually feel less hungry throughout the day for some really fricken weird reason. Heck, it's 8AM now and I have another 30 minutes before cardio while the Eviscerate absorbs - I haven't eaten since 6PM last night - I'm fine. Had some numbing at night, but I can't be positive that I just wasn't sleeping on my arm or something. Any way, that's the day 5 report.
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I've done 10 20 & 30 and never really noticed any increase in hunger, but my joint have not felt this good in 20 years!!
 
Jebrook said:
Lower for longer gets my vote. Been on MK-677 for over 4 months now. Went up to 30 mg but bloated bad and didn't see any additional benefits. Tapered back to 10 mg and still have great sleep quality and a respectable but not uncontrollable appetite. I've been hoping for joint benefits but have not found them at any dose.
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how long did you stay on 30 mg Jebrook .?
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Good deal on the no hunger part - it seemed universal and I was worried! :)
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If you take it during the day you are more likely to feel the hunger then dosing before bed. i found this out firsthand while expermenting lol its why i just do 20 before bed now instead 10 morning/evening.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
I'm doing 12mg of Osta (I had a still good bottle of BSL PCT IV that I was darn well going to get my money out of) in the AM, and 5mg of OL Osta in the PM.

I don't know if I'm going to go to 20mg of MK-677 - I'd have to see what would be better: More for less days, or less for more days :)
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10mg was the bees knees for me looking back now. Once I went to 20mg I can't say recovery and sleep improved much but bloat was way more pronounced.
 
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