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Methoxy-Trn log

poopypants said:
wow this is some AWESOME news. thanks for posting this ryan sounds great... and am i wrong or did the 212 in test serum mean you werent fully shutdown??? interesting.
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You mean the 226, it is a significant drop in total serum, I really can't tell you how shut down I was. If I had, FSH, SHGB, Estradiol etc. . tested then I would be able to assess it better, but that gets really expensive. If you look at the numbers though my test count has dropped more than half, in what 3 weeks.
 
Thank you very much for the bloodwork ryansm. Personnally, I think your serum test looks allright for an oral-only cycle.

I'm thinking of using TRN & Prostanozol stacked together for a recomp in the springtime. Since it gives you so much strength and endurance, I figure I might do TUT work in that recomp. How do you think this supp would work along with Time Under Tension training?

You know, 6-second reps that turn your set into 45 seconds of agony...

I understand that as a strength athlete you don't do that very much, but I figure I'd ask anyways... :)
 
Wow I waited to see some bloodwork before buying this product and almost ALL sites are completley out of it!!!

Thank you very much for this log
 
Grunt76 said:
Thank you very much for the bloodwork ryansm. Personnally, I think your serum test looks allright for an oral-only cycle.

I'm thinking of using TRN & Prostanozol stacked together for a recomp in the springtime. Since it gives you so much strength and endurance, I figure I might do TUT work in that recomp. How do you think this supp would work along with Time Under Tension training?

You know, 6-second reps that turn your set into 45 seconds of agony...

I understand that as a strength athlete you don't do that very much, but I figure I'd ask anyways... :)
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I have done TUT when I was bb'ing, this supp would work great with it certainly. Just get the diet down and you should be good.
 
Interesting numbers.

I tried using MTRN at 4.5mg/day and only made it a week before I had to lower the dose to 3mg. I stopped taking it after the second week. The sides were too harsh; I had no libido, little energy, bad acne, itchy skin and nausea (signs of liver stress) along with a very bad temper. The strength gains and weight gains were very real, but they were outweighed by the negatives.

Sounds like you had great success with MTRN. Gaining 18lbs in a month is awesome. How would you rate this compared to the other similar products such as: superdrol, ergomax or pheraplex? What about tren acetate? It felt very similar to finaplix injectable in my experience except for the nausea and itchy skin present with MTRN.

I'd say pheraplex is number 1, Halodrol50 2, and the rest are tossups. Just wondering what your thoughts were.
 
BobbyRay I'm trying to assess a general bodyweight-dependant dosage tolerance guideline. How much do you weigh?
 
Hey ryansm I have to also say what a great log. I know it has really helped me out. I learned quite a bit from this one log.

I just completed my second week of MTRN but I only have had one side - loss of libdo. I compensated for that by adding 4AD to my cycle. Married man can not have this side unless he wants trouble in paradise.

Also, I am 5'11" weight around 164 lbs (I am cyclist who spends part time in the gym) and for the first week I dosged a 4.5 mg a day and my gains were ok so I decided to bump to 6 mg. Now, I feel the strength kick in and since I added 4AD I had no outwardly sides. I do check my blood pressure daily and it has averaged around 108/68.

Again, thanks for a great log.
 
BobbyRay said:
Interesting numbers.

I tried using MTRN at 4.5mg/day and only made it a week before I had to lower the dose to 3mg. I stopped taking it after the second week. The sides were too harsh; I had no libido, little energy, bad acne, itchy skin and nausea (signs of liver stress) along with a very bad temper. The strength gains and weight gains were very real, but they were outweighed by the negatives.

Sounds like you had great success with MTRN. Gaining 18lbs in a month is awesome. How would you rate this compared to the other similar products such as: superdrol, ergomax or pheraplex? What about tren acetate? It felt very similar to finaplix injectable in my experience except for the nausea and itchy skin present with MTRN.

I'd say pheraplex is number 1, Halodrol50 2, and the rest are tossups. Just wondering what your thoughts were.
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Similar to fina I would say, not as strong, or as side free as tren ace, but similar. I haven't tried Halodrol, but compared to the rest I liked it much more for my goals, which are strength only. I got better mass gains off of SD, and M1t, ergo I got nothing from but bad sides.
 
Velo said:
Hey ryansm I have to also say what a great log. I know it has really helped me out. I learned quite a bit from this one log.

I just completed my second week of MTRN but I only have had one side - loss of libdo. I compensated for that by adding 4AD to my cycle. Married man can not have this side unless he wants trouble in paradise.

Also, I am 5'11" weight around 164 lbs (I am cyclist who spends part time in the gym) and for the first week I dosged a 4.5 mg a day and my gains were ok so I decided to bump to 6 mg. Now, I feel the strength kick in and since I added 4AD I had no outwardly sides. I do check my blood pressure daily and it has averaged around 108/68.

Again, thanks for a great log.
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Nice BP reading what are you taking? Or is it due to the large amounts of cardio you get from bike riding?? Also did you notice the increased endurance???

I bet the addition of 4ad made the cycle golden.
 
ryansm said:
Nice BP reading what are you taking? Or is it due to the large amounts of cardio you get from bike riding?? Also did you notice the increased endurance???

I bet the addition of 4ad made the cycle golden.
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When I started MTRN, for BP, I was only using Celery Seed. After a few days I saw my BP steadily increase. I then added Hawthorne Berry and it began to drop then level off. Honestly though, I think it has to do more with the cardio then anything else.

Endurance has been a huge plus in two regards. First, in between big efforts either on the bike or the gym, I noticed that I recover quicker and the second, from day to day, my recovery is insane. If I were to stage racer, I would want this as part of my arsenal.

You are right on with 4AD. 4AD just seems to complete MTRN. I hate the feeling of being shut down - 4AD made me feel whole again.
 
I find it odd that the MTRN helped with endurance. In my experience tren acetate destroys my muscular endurance as well as anaerobic along with aerobic capacity. The only time It did not was when I added EQ along with it, which brought me back to normal.

During the end days of my MTRN experience I noticed this was happening as I was struggling to get through workouts. Perhaps this is just an individual thing? If I decide to run it again, I'll start with 3mg/day and include a small amount of test and EQ. It is very powerful.
 
Must be case by case. While others are feeling sides at 3mg I am at 6mg and exhibiting no sides. Since my cycle has started, I have been going to the gym 4 - 5 times a week in the AM plus training on the bike 5 - 6 times a week as well. My on the bike training consist of weekend rides up to 80 miles and weekdays consist of intervals. Even though this is a heavy load, I am recovering incredible fast. In fact, I am starting to have a hard time keeping the mental aspect of it sharp.
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
Blood work and resutls look great, bro.

HDL of 22 after 30 days on an oral is jack ****...very mild.
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Yeah the drop wasn't too severe, but someone with shitty levels already would need to keep a close eye or not use at all for that matter.
 
Velo said:
Endurance has been a huge plus in two regards. First, in between big efforts either on the bike or the gym, I noticed that I recover quicker and the second, from day to day, my recovery is insane. If I were to stage racer, I would want this as part of my arsenal.
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I really notice now how quick the recovery was on methoxt-trn. Soreness is really apparant now that I am in pct.
 
ryansm said:
AST- 82
ALT- 94
AST (SGOT) 22
ALT (SGPT) 35
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You don't find the jump in liver enzymes to be rather large? My tests from Superdrol never showed either value as higher than 60. Those levels look very scary to me.
 
Triple Cs said:
You don't find the jump in liver enzymes to be rather large? My tests from Superdrol never showed either value as higher than 60. Those levels look very scary to me.
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They are high, but not anything unusual. MTren is a harsh molecule to metabolize and that was predictable.
 
Just wanted to say thanks for this log Ryan.

Even though I can't find Methoxy Trn anywhere....
 
ryansm said:
Yeah the drop wasn't too severe, but someone with shitty levels already would need to keep a close eye or not use at all for that matter.
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Someone with shitty levels should always be mindful of these things of course :)
 
The one thing that I am wondering is, how worse would this be for the hairline? Any worse than say superdrol or pheraplex? I have not had any shedding yet, but i still worry since my grandfather is bald. I have the shallow hairline which I have had before i ever experimented with anabolics before, but I am mindful of it to go farther on. i use nizoral on every cycle everyday just for safety, but other than that have used nothing else. Anyone had bad hairloss, anyone think i am in the clear of having hairloss with my luck so far?

I guess if i ever do start having hairloss its onto minixidil and spiro for me after that and no more hairline harsh anabolics, also what I consider to usually be the fun ones. :(
 
i thought superdrol was relatively knd to the hair, in reasonable dosages. most of the sides i've read have been when they up the dosage too far. doesn't superddrol have a favorable anabolic/androgenic ratio? i think it is phera-plex that is too androgenic to be played with much.
 
Gokmog said:
i thought superdrol was relatively knd to the hair, in reasonable dosages. most of the sides i've read have been when they up the dosage too far. doesn't superddrol have a favorable anabolic/androgenic ratio? i think it is phera-plex that is too androgenic to be played with much.
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on paper PP should be the devil in androgenic sides (hair loss, oily skin, acne ect.) but for some reason is lacking in this department. i havent heard pf a single person yet noticing shedding or thinning while on PP so take that for what its worth and check out the logs on the board, i think youll be suprised with PP just like everyone else was.
 
I think the past couple years of PHs/LegalAAS, etc have taught us one thing....what the paper says don't mean **** :D lol...

I can't even count the times where something was supposed to happen and didn't, or wasn't supposed to happen, and did, lol....Oh, its just been classic. The worst part is, all of us customers are the ones who end up being the guinea pigs...no real studies are done prior to any of the release of the hormones...it takes way too much money to do an academic research, and too much time to really make a short release possible for anything that is thoroughly studied.... lol. its kind of a fucked up situation.

M1T = no gyno! ... 2 weeks later, 40 ppl have bitch tit, lol...hahaha....

i'm not worrieda bout it, i don't think that any single testosterone derived hormone can really do major damage with short little runs here and there, and i'm sure the manufacturers take that into consideration, but nevertheless, its still one goofy ass situation.

:lol: :rofll :lol:
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
...Oh, its just been classic. The worst part is, all of us customers are the ones who end up being the guinea pigs...no real studies are done prior to any of the release of the hormones...
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That's not exactly true, bro. I guinea pigged SD and PP for you guys before anyone else ever popped a cap, and you know I ain't new to this. If my dick fell off, it would have ended there. :) Still, you are right, all the hype surrounding the new PH's is totally classic.
 
Dr.D just for our info, do you actually work for one of these supp companies or are you "only" a well-educated joe?
 
Grunt76 said:
Dr.D just for our info, do you actually work for one of these supp companies or are you "only" a well-educated joe?
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I don't work "for" any of them, but I do work "with" DS as their chief chemical engineer in charge of development, QC, alpha testing, etc. If I talk about their stuff, it's not because I'm pimping, just that I know what it is.
 
wastedwhiteboy2 said:
what happened to the logo dr d? was there a change in status? sorry if this is too personal?
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No, not really any change in status. But my name has never been in green for some reason, plus I am not officially responsible for repping the boards (I'm just the chemist), so I figured I'd change it until I was told otherwise. That way, if my words are too contaversial (as I've been told they sometimes are) I don't embarrass DS directly. Know what I mean? :) I'm not as PC as I could be.
 
TheCrownedOne said:
Don't let the Doctor fool you, he's pretty much a big deal ;)
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Well, I could say the same about you bro... You know what's going on before I do most of the time! :D
 
DR.D said:
That's not exactly true, bro. I guinea pigged SD and PP for you guys before anyone else ever popped a cap, and you know I ain't new to this. If my dick fell off, it would have ended there. :) Still, you are right, all the hype surrounding the new PH's is totally classic.
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Oh I know, Doc, but despite all the hard work you put into it, you're a one-man show and we can't really tell what's going to go on after one person tries it in a controlled situation. :)

IMO, we're guinea pigs still... :lol:

(Not that I have a problem tryin' out new goodies :))
 
DR.D said:
No, not really any change in status. But my name has never been in green for some reason, plus I am not officially responsible for repping the boards (I'm just the chemist), so I figured I'd change it until I was told otherwise. That way, if my words are too contaversial (as I've been told they sometimes are) I don't embarrass DS directly. Know what I mean? :) I'm not as PC as I could be.
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gotcha. I dont mind a lack of PC.
 
Dr. D or anyone else would this being an oral clear your system within an average of 1 month like many other orals? Or linger around for 3-5 months still? Thanks.
 
NeedleDick said:
Dr. D or anyone else would this being an oral clear your system within an average of 1 month like many other orals? Or linger around for 3-5 months still? Thanks.
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It should clear rapidly I'd guess (1 or 2 months max) but a hair test goes back at least 3 months/half inch. Still, it would not be detected since there is no test designed to recognize it yet.
 
NeedleDick said:
so nor19 metabolites wouldnt linger around a long time like good ole' tren, cool thanks Dr.D appreciate the response.
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No they could linger! It depends on RBA values and kinetic redistribution of the parent compound and it's metabolites in the body. I'm guessing that the the binding affinity is only about 1/30'th that of real Methyltren though, so it should clear relatively rapidly. That's just an educated guess at this point though.
 
DR.D said:
No they could linger! It depends on RBA values and kinetic redistribution of the parent compound and it's metabolites in the body. I'm guessing that the the binding affinity is only about 1/30'th that of real Methyltren though, so it should clear relatively rapidly. That's just an educated guess at this point though.
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Dr. D,
Could you throw your educated guess into this thread?


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