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ryansm said:
Oh, no, no difference at all so far. As fast acting as it is I would say that it is not needed.
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Since the 6mg v. 4.5mg question was asked... I thought I'd ask this...

How much difference, described in whatever terms you like, did you experience between 4.5g and 3mg dosing?

Do you think someone could use 2 caps per day as part of a stack or to help kick-start a longer cycle and receive adequate benefit?
 
shootmeagain said:
Since the 6mg v. 4.5mg question was asked... I thought I'd ask this...

How much difference, described in whatever terms you like, did you experience between 4.5g and 3mg dosing?

Do you think someone could use 2 caps per day as part of a stack or to help kick-start a longer cycle and receive adequate benefit?
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oooohhhhh ya for sure.

now really it depends on how well you respond but i had to drop the dosage to lessen sides (acne) and im still blowing through w/o's with out any effort at all. its extremely strong! id start at 3mg and see how it works for you if after a week or a week na half if it aint doin enough then boost it to 4.5!
 
shootmeagain said:
Since the 6mg v. 4.5mg question was asked... I thought I'd ask this...

How much difference, described in whatever terms you like, did you experience between 4.5g and 3mg dosing?

Do you think someone could use 2 caps per day as part of a stack or to help kick-start a longer cycle and receive adequate benefit?
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I started at 4mgs, so I wouldn't know what effect 3mgs would have on me.

I would say though that testing the dose starting at 3, or even 1.5mgs to assess tolerance is advisable.
 
Day 22

BP at 128/67

Workout
~70%
power snatch blocks 80 x 4 100 x 3 120 x 3 for 3

Front Squats 100 x 4 120 x 4 140 x 3 160 x 3 180 x 3 for 2

clean pulls 140 x 4 160 x 4 180 x 3 200 x 3 210 x 2

Another decent workout. Again the weight feels light, but the strength gains have subsided. I feel good, and my muscles feel really full. One thing I have noticed since bumping to 6mgs is a bloated feeling. Really makes it hard to eat as I feel full before I even start eating.

2 days left, followed by bloodwork, pct will look somewhat like this:

nolva 40 rxt 25 fenugreek dhea LX
nolva 20 rxt 50 fenugreek dhea LX
nolva 10 rxt 75 funugreek dhea LX
rxt 100 dhea LX

Plus Thunder, and my usual supps
 
ryansm said:
Day 22

BP at 128/67

Workout
~70%
power snatch blocks 80 x 4 100 x 3 120 x 3 for 3

Front Squats 100 x 4 120 x 4 140 x 3 160 x 3 180 x 3 for 2

clean pulls 140 x 4 160 x 4 180 x 3 200 x 3 210 x 2

Another decent workout. Again the weight feels light, but the strength gains have subsided. I feel good, and my muscles feel really full. One thing I have noticed since bumping to 6mgs is a bloated feeling. Really makes it hard to eat as I feel full before I even start eating.

2 days left, followed by bloodwork, pct will look somewhat like this:

nolva 40 rxt 25 fenugreek dhea LX
nolva 20 rxt 50 fenugreek dhea LX
nolva 10 rxt 75 funugreek dhea LX
rxt 100 dhea LX

Plus Thunder, and my usual supps
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Looks great bro, but you didnt need me to tell you that. :hammer:

Also about my cycle, i stopped yesterday and started PCT. I figured it would be for the best. Not that anything went wrong i just wanted to stop so i could get everything set up and clear till i start up my actual cycle. That way i can kickstart things right and everything goes smooth, good idea?
 
Not sure if its been covered but any noticeable prostate issues with this???

I know max lmg is pretty bad for me on the prostate and I was wondering about this one as well??
 
Sounds good, you may be able to get away with a smaller dose on the meo-tren when jumpstarting the longer esters.
 
BryanM said:
Not sure if its been covered but any noticeable prostate issues with this???

I know max lmg is pretty bad for me on the prostate and I was wondering about this one as well??
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Ahhh good question

I haven't noticed any prostate issues at all, and I have had this problem in the past with strong orals like m1t.

I must add though I didn't receive any issues whe running max lmg either, nor with any progestins for that matter. . .
 
ryansm said:
Ahhh good question

I haven't noticed any prostate issues at all, and I have had this problem in the past with strong orals like m1t.

I must add though I didn't receive any issues whe running max lmg either, nor with any progestins for that matter. . .
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i know its quite possibly not accurate at all but how do you "feel" come the end of the cycle? i know by the time im done with SD and M1T that im good and ready to get off, not that im really sick i just start to get tired of it and the only way to describe it is "bleh". but what would be your assumption concerning how much damage its caused?
 
ryansm said:
Sounds good, you may be able to get away with a smaller dose on the meo-tren when jumpstarting the longer esters.
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Yea, im not quite sure if im gonna jumpstart it with m-tren or not. Ive got quite a few things to choose from. I probly will but im not sure yet.

Also ive never noticed any prostate problems on m-tren or anything that ive run, but what are some things to note if ur havin prostate problems? In other words what sides will you notice? I havnt noticed anything outa the norm but havnt really heard the sides acclimated with prostate issues.
 
poopypants said:
i know its quite possibly not accurate at all but how do you "feel" come the end of the cycle? i know by the time im done with SD and M1T that im good and ready to get off, not that im really sick i just start to get tired of it and the only way to describe it is "bleh". but what would be your assumption concerning how much damage its caused?
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I am ready for this cycle to end, I need a break.
 
3clipseGT said:
Yea, im not quite sure if im gonna jumpstart it with m-tren or not. Ive got quite a few things to choose from. I probly will but im not sure yet.

Also ive never noticed any prostate problems on m-tren or anything that ive run, but what are some things to note if ur havin prostate problems? In other words what sides will you notice? I havnt noticed anything outa the norm but havnt really heard the sides acclimated with prostate issues.
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Harder to urinate, less psi, sharp pains when urinating, swelling, etc. . .
 
ryansm said:
Harder to urinate, less psi, sharp pains when urinating, swelling, etc. . .
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Got ya..None of that has been apparent, knock on wood.

Ive started a log leading up to the cycle and the cycle itself for anyone who wants to take a look.
 
off topic but on discussion; I too was ready to end my last cycle. Gains overall were as expected, but as it was a llloooonnnnggggggg one, I felt (at the end) my body was in need of recovery. LISTEN TO YOUR BODY!

As for the B5 dosing, 1-5 g/day is good for acne prevention--best around 2-3 as I have done it. Use when you're taking androgenic stuff, and take a break when ou're not. CNW has bulk powder.
 
sorry to chime in again

I am about as far on cycle as Ryan;
As far as prostate goes I think I might have some sides with it. I have a little bit of a weird feeling down there not really intense pain but something not right. My, joint actually gets sharp pains that radiate through it . again nothing unbearable but definetly noticeable (something isn't right in the penial area LOL) You think this is a side effect of the Meth tren? Please tell me this will disapate after cycle, I am stopping the cycle end of tomorrow...On a better note this was the only minor side I experienced , strength gains were great!!:wtf:
 
Lithuanian Bear said:
I am about as far on cycle as Ryan;
As far as prostate goes I think I might have some sides with it. I have a little bit of a weird feeling down there not really intense pain but something not right. My, joint actually gets sharp pains that radiate through it . again nothing unbearable but definetly noticeable (something isn't right in the penial area LOL) You think this is a side effect of the Meth tren? Please tell me this will disapate after cycle, I am stopping the cycle end of tomorrow...On a better note this was the only minor side I experienced , strength gains were great!!:wtf:
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Lith...

How did you dose the product during your cycle?
 
ryansm said:
Day 22

BP at 128/67

Workout
~70%
power snatch blocks 80 x 4 100 x 3 120 x 3 for 3

Front Squats 100 x 4 120 x 4 140 x 3 160 x 3 180 x 3 for 2

clean pulls 140 x 4 160 x 4 180 x 3 200 x 3 210 x 2

Another decent workout. Again the weight feels light, but the strength gains have subsided. I feel good, and my muscles feel really full. One thing I have noticed since bumping to 6mgs is a bloated feeling. Really makes it hard to eat as I feel full before I even start eating.

2 days left, followed by bloodwork, pct will look somewhat like this:

nolva 40 rxt 25 fenugreek dhea LX
nolva 20 rxt 50 fenugreek dhea LX
nolva 10 rxt 75 funugreek dhea LX
rxt 100 dhea LX

Plus Thunder, and my usual supps
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Hey Ryan, how are you going to taper your fenugreek, dhea, and LX?
 
Why to taper up the RXT:
DR.D said:
It's based in part on extinction theory in reguard to steroidal AI's. Ramp down SERM to avoid estrogenic rebound phenomena, and compensate by upping RXT inversely. End PCT at your highest dose of RXT, because you have extended estrogen suppression from a suicide substrate and you what that maximized once you quit. It's mostly my gut feeling of how you could make stacking these work best. It's the way I'm going to try it first for sure. However, if you are proceeding quickly with your PCT recovery by week 2 or 3, this is probably not needed and you could hold the dose static or ramp down in conjuction with the Nolva. This inverse method was originally formulated to try and help one minimize the amount of Nolva needed (being the more toxic of the two) and still get good results. The most bang for your time and buck so to speek. Remember that Nolva has a 5 day half-life and is toxic to the liver. PCT is about liver regeneration too, not just recovery of steroidogenesis.
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Grunt76 said:
How are your results, lithuanian bear?
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big strength gains put on about 8 lbs
not as much weight gained as s/drol or e...max but strength is better.
Was wondering what ryan thought of my above post concerning the prostate issues??
 
i have been on trn for about a week now and my left nipple has felt and looked a little bit irritated. i started taking b6, should i just stop taking the product altogether? should i lower the dose? what should i do to get rid of the irritation any insight would b great [email protected]
 
choochoo60 said:
i have been on trn for about a week now and my left nipple has felt and looked a little bit irritated. i started taking b6, should i just stop taking the product altogether? should i lower the dose? what should i do to get rid of the irritation any insight would b great [email protected]
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if its just itchy and a little bit puffy it might just go away, but if a lump developes and it begins to get tender thats most likely gyno, just keep a close eye on it and remember always better safe then sorry, so id pick up some nolva or rebound if you dont allready have it.
 
Lithuanian Bear said:
big strength gains put on about 8 lbs
not as much weight gained as s/drol or e...max but strength is better.
Was wondering what ryan thought of my above post concerning the prostate issues??
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Certainly sounds like prostate issues. I had similar issues with m1t, it should clear up fine post cycle, but you may want to read the safe cycling sticky in the anabolics section it has that covered as far as supps and what not for treatment and prevention.
 
gten79 said:
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I am dosing the DHEA at 200mgs daily 100 am, and the other early afternoon.

As far as fenugreek right now I am around 3 grams, I will taper it down as I go. LX just according to suggested dosing, and I add one post workout as well.
 
Sorry for the absence, but I have been out of town.

The cycle ended on Thursday at 6mgs. I really didn't seem to be getting anything else from the cycle, so I was ready for it to end.

I am expecting my blood results back today or sometime early in the week. As soon as I get them I will post it up,

I had a complete lipid, and liver profile, and I also asked for total test.

Well today I am around 320, which I think is up 3 pounds or so from last week. Some of it is due to the horrible eating habits of the last couple of days. Pct is going well, I am certainly feeling shut down at this point. Strength is still good, and the workouts are still easier than pre cycle, we shall see how long this lasts.

Anyway my pct is pretty much the same as what I had planned out earlier. I will keep posting weekly on how my progress is going.
 
Great log Ryan! thanks for that man it certain will be benificail. cant wait to see blood either and btw how tall are you at 320lbs?
 
You guys should have some Dostinex on hand with this stuff to keep prolactin levels low after all it is a progestin structured like Tren.
 
CHAPS said:
You guys should have some Dostinex on hand with this stuff to keep prolactin levels low after all it is a progestin structured like Tren.
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I beleive bromo could help with this too, right??
 
Blood tests are in:

AST- 82
ALT- 94
Total Cholesterol- 187
Triglycerides- 75
HDL- 22Invalid Link Removed
LDL- 152Invalid Link Removed
Test serum
226:blink:

Pre cycle blood work:

AST (SGOT) 22
ALT (SGPT) 35
Total Cholesterol- 144
Trig- 51
HDL- 58
LDL- 76
Testosterone serum- 578

I don't know all in all it reall isn't too bad. Liver enzymes are up, cholesterol is out of whack, but not too bad, and well my test levels are down certainly.

Compared to past blood work it really is around average, and better than some such as m1t and SD. However I will say that my pre cycle numbers were at their respective bests, besides liver values, so take it for what it's worth.

If you guys want any other numbers let me know
 
As far a pct is going, I am very lethargic, could sleep all day if I chose. Strength is still the same, and so is intensity. My weight is hovering around 320, but I have been eating like sh*t, damn Holidays.;)
 
Thanks for the blood work ryan...its a little bit of a relief that the numbers aren't as bad as what was first thought.
 
ryansm said:
Blood tests are in:

AST- 82
ALT- 94
Total Cholesterol- 187
Triglycerides- 75
HDL- 22Invalid Link Removed
LDL- 152Invalid Link Removed
Test serum
226:blink:

Pre cycle blood work:

AST (SGOT) 22
ALT (SGPT) 35
Total Cholesterol- 144
Trig- 51
HDL- 58
LDL- 76
Testosterone serum- 578

I don't know all in all it reall isn't too bad. Liver enzymes are up, cholesterol is out of whack, but not too bad, and well my test levels are down certainly.

Compared to past blood work it really is around average, and better than some such as m1t and SD. However I will say that my pre cycle numbers were at their respective bests, besides liver values, so take it for what it's worth.

If you guys want any other numbers let me know
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wow this is some AWESOME news. thanks for posting this ryan sounds great... and am i wrong or did the 212 in test serum mean you werent fully shutdown??? interesting.

well it looks to me that if ALRI ever had the chance to release TST and its numbers looked this good it would have been quite the stack.

thanks again ryan
 
Major props ryan, your complete and detailed log will most definately help others make informed and educated decisions. Thanks.
 
Ryansm....That was a really informative log!With alot of great information.......Can you give us your overall opinion of this product on how much to take and how long to be on now that you have finished it and have recieved your bloodwork?Also how much strength gains did you receive from it compared to other products like SD,M1T ect??I know everyone is different but would like to hear your personal opinion.Thanks Alot!
MrSkull
 
ryansm said:
but I have been eating like sh*t, damn Holidays.;)
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Obviously it is the TRN that caused the major differences between pre and post-cycle bloodwork, but if "eating like sh*t" means the same to you as it does to me, then I'd think it could contribute, at least slightly, to the hit that your cholesterol took.

Particularly if you eat clean most of the time, the sudden consumption of lots of refined grains and sugars and unhealthy fats can't help.
 
MrSkullCrusher said:
Ryansm....That was a really informative log!With alot of great information.......Can you give us your overall opinion of this product on how much to take and how long to be on now that you have finished it and have recieved your bloodwork?Also how much strength gains did you receive from it compared to other products like SD,M1T ect??I know everyone is different but would like to hear your personal opinion.Thanks Alot!
MrSkull
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Now that I have seen the damage, I really like this hormone. However I will certainly use it next time with some Test.

As far as strength gains theyt were certainly explosive the first 2 weeks, however, it tapered off quickly. 3-4 weeks would be a good amount of time for this product. I also bumped the dose to 6mgs the last week or so, and noticed only more sides, so the suggested 4.5mgs is a good dose for most, even lower possibly. I would suggest starting at 3mgs then decide if you need to bump the dose.

SD and M1t gave me the worse sides, but they did seem to impart better hypertrophic gains. I will say though if you are a strength athlete such as I, then meo-trn is a better choice as the strength gains are better. So besides the high BP, and the lethargy, this cycle went rather well.
 
323mattb said:
Obviously it is the TRN that caused the major differences between pre and post-cycle bloodwork, but if "eating like sh*t" means the same to you as it does to me, then I'd think it could contribute, at least slightly, to the hit that your cholesterol took.

Particularly if you eat clean most of the time, the sudden consumption of lots of refined grains and sugars and unhealthy fats can't help.
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True, but most of the bad eating is post cycle, and post blood work. The affects would be negligible anyway in that amount of time.
 
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