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Mesomorph finally getting dethroned? Extreme dust!

ForceOfNature

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Look at the profile for the new extreme dust and share your thoughts. It looks like an absolutely insane pre workout!

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Is Mesomorph finally gonna lose its spot as king?
 
Alan1 said:
Strong dose of DMAE they have there.... :)

And inb4 "it's BSL so it must be bunk!1!!"
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LOL.

I call bunk because serving size is 12g but the dose of DMAE is near a KG
 
ForceOfNature said:
Look at the profile for the new extreme dust and share your thoughts. It looks like an absolutely insane pre workout!

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Is Mesomorph finally gonna lose its spot as king?
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It is nothing ground breaking IMO
 
The dose size of caffeine + DMAA + other stims is starting to get irresponsible imo.

I tend to err on the cautious side of things with supps, but even so.

Some fool is gonna use this while too dehydrated, or two scoop it, or have an underlying condition, and we're gonna have a problem....
 
kboxer7 said:
The dose size of caffeine + DMAA + other stims is starting to get irresponsible imo.

I tend to err on the cautious side of things with supps, but even so.

Some fool is gonna use this while too dehydrated, or two scoop it, or have an underlying condition, and we're gonna have a problem....
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Its exactly the same as full 3 scoops of Jack3d, 75mg is the bees knees for dmaa.
 
kboxer7 said:
Some fool is gonna use this while too dehydrated, or two scoop it, or have an underlying condition, and we're gonna have a problem....
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This^^^
I recall reading a post where some chuckle head took 3 scoops of mesomorph... people will abuse anything.
Personally, this stuff looks to strong for my blood, but I am sure some will love it.
 
I think this looks like a less than a full scooper for me maybe 3/4 scoop. I'm glad no arecoline or whatever beetle nut junk is gone.
 
hvactech said:
when did meso become king anyway?
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in all honesty, its pretty damn hard to find negative reviews on mesomorph, even if you go on a hunt to find them. Even before getting to work hi-tech/APS, I had a very hard time promoting a pre-wo once someone suggested mesomorph simply due to end user love of the product.

In the products favor you have a perfect dosing of DMAA, nitrates, full dose beta alanine, agmatine, theobromine to prevent DMAA crash, and more... it's not perfect (as no pre-wo can truly be perfect for all), but it is pretty damn close
 
Joe12 said:
This^^^
I recall reading a post where some chuckle head took 3 scoops of mesomorph... people will abuse anything.
Personally, this stuff looks to strong for my blood, but I am sure some will love it.
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Darwinism at its finest, my friend.
 
Every Pre looks the same these days give or take a few ingredients. I find it interesting people can even tell a difference between these. It's like the new protein powders that come out.
 
ma70 said:
Every Pre looks the same these days give or take a few ingredients. I find it interesting people can even tell a difference between these. It's like the new protein powders that come out.
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as regulations get tighter and tighter, products are naturally going to become more similar. its the nature of the beast.
 
VaughnTrue said:
as regulations get tighter and tighter, products are naturally going to become more similar. its the nature of the beast.
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Oh, I'm not complaining. Just pointing it out because I feel like there are 5000 new pre's, but there really isn't too much to discuss cause they mostly have similar profiles.
 
I compare preworkouts based on ingredients and dosage, almost 90% are underdosed or have ingredients of no use...this new pre looks loaded to serve its intended purpose...I looked at chaos and pain ferox,but why the f*...does it have 2 grams of creatine mono in there?!!

ma70 said:
Every Pre looks the same these days give or take a few ingredients. I find it interesting people can even tell a difference between these. It's like the new protein powders that come out.
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bashar said:
I compare preworkouts based on ingredients and dosage, almost 90% are underdosed or have ingredients of no use...this new pre looks loaded to serve its intended purpose...I looked at chaos and pain ferox, why the f*...does it have 2 grams of creatine mono in there?!!
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whats wrong with mono in a preworkout
 
Creatine doesn't give you an immediate boost plus the dosage is wrong. Personaly, I don't respond well to creatine apart from bloating...More companies are choosing to stay away from creatine in preworkouts...


hvactech said:
whats wrong with mono in a preworkout
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bashar said:
Creatine doesn't give you an immediate boost plus the dosage is wrong. Personaly, I don't respond well to creatine apart from bloating...More companies are choosing to stay away from creatine in preworkouts...
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i agree the dose seems to be more of a filler but it makes it easy to maintain creatine levels
 
And people wonder why this **** ends up getting heat and eventually taken off the shelves. I'll stick to normal pre workouts that just contain caffeine.
 
You must have not tried DMAA, caffeine by itself makes you jittery if overdosed. DMAA puts you in a state of extreme focus and concentration, plus the feel good euphoria...
this is not for everyone, Drink responsibly!



TheMaster said:
And people wonder why this **** ends up getting heat and eventually taken off the shelves. I'll stick to normal pre workouts that just contain caffeine.
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bashar said:
You must have not tried DMAA, caffeine by itself makes you jittery if overdosed. DMAA puts you in a state of extreme focus and concentration, plus the feel good euphoria...
this is not for everyone, Drink responsibly!
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I'm just saying that it seems like many of these supplements with DMAA in it are also throwing other ingredients that have stim like effects. THE DMAA itself is not the problem. Its the other **** they are throwing in there along with it that is causing bad experiences for some users due to the fact that the are combining all of it together.
 
TheMaster said:
I'm just saying that it seems like many of these supplements with DMAA in it are also throwing other ingredients that have stim like effects. THE DMAA itself is not the problem. Its the other **** they are throwing in there along with it that is causing bad experiences for some users due to the fact that the are combining all of it together.
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The problem is more people abusing the supplements and not following directions that causes issues than anything else; people taking more than the max dose, not following directions to assess tolerance, combining products, etc.
 
this is just like people who consume shot after shot of hard liquor then blame it on the drink...
 
High dosed stimulant, nothing mind blowing though. We are just going to keep seeing doses go higher and higher.
 
Two things I like about it, not a prop blend and it is a 30 serving container that is not a 2 serving/use product. Even with that said I do not see myself purchasing it.
 
bashar said:
this is just like people who consume shot after shot of hard liquor then blame it on the drink...
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Sure.

However, imagine a scenario where there is a 95% liquor but it tastes incredibly good to the point where you're not aware that it's 95%.

Would you drink too much of it? Probably. Does the creator of the liquor share some blame in creating a drink that in most cases will only be had in irresponsible amounts because of the taste?

I'm usually with your opinion on these things, placing the onus of responsibility on the consumer, but the needle is definitely moving for me in that some manufacturers need to take responsibility for putting potentially dangerous products on the market.
 
Daycrawler said:
Sure.

However, imagine a scenario where there is a 95% liquor but it tastes incredibly good to the point where you're not aware that it's 95%.

Would you drink too much of it? Probably. Does the creator of the liquor share some blame in creating a drink that in most cases will only be had in irresponsible amounts because of the taste?

I'm usually with your opinion on these things, placing the onus of responsibility on the consumer, but the needle is definitely moving for me in that some manufacturers need to take responsibility for putting potentially dangerous products on the market.
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I see what you are saying, especially as the recommended/standard dose seems to be getting closer to an amount that may not be a good idea with some of these products.
 
Daycrawler said:
Sure.

However, imagine a scenario where there is a 95% liquor but it tastes incredibly good to the point where you're not aware that it's 95%.

Would you drink too much of it? Probably. Does the creator of the liquor share some blame in creating a drink that in most cases will only be had in irresponsible amounts because of the taste?

I'm usually with your opinion on these things, placing the onus of responsibility on the consumer, but the needle is definitely moving for me in that some manufacturers need to take responsibility for putting potentially dangerous products on the market.
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The consumer needs to wise up and quit relying on the FDA to hold their hand. This is a non prop blend, so you know the exact dosings of everything. Nothing is hidden, its all in the open.

If the consumer uses too much of it, its on them. Not the company who made it. They've done everything they can, besides sending a brochure with them or waiver for them to sign before using.
 
Tmac29 said:
The consumer needs to wise up and quit relying on the FDA to hold their hand. This is a non prop blend, so you know the exact dosings of everything. Nothing is hidden, its all in the open.

If the consumer uses too much of it, its on them. Not the company who made it. They've done everything they can, besides sending a brochure with them or waiver for them to sign before using.
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The directions and warnings on these products are to be followed exactly. They are often ignored, which is a problem. Assessing tolerance is really important with some of these potent stimulant based products.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
The directions and warnings on these products are to be followed exactly. They are often ignored, which is a problem. Assessing tolerance is really important with some of these potent stimulant based products.
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Agreed 100%. But I have zero sympathy for those that do not follow the directions. Its like bottles of chemicals that say "do not drink" but some moron on a dare does it anyway.

Its not the companies fault you were stupid and thought you knew better and tried it anyway, or thought directions were only "suggestions"
 
The simple solution to the dosing getting higher and higher seems to be just take a smaller scoop, perhaps 1/2 scoop and then bump it up to 3/4 or eventully 1 full scoop if you need it.

Makes the tub last much longer and saves you money in the long run, seems almost like a positive in some ways lol
 
While some consider dust too much, as a stim junkie, I have stacked two pre workouts with 600mg of caffeine or a scoop and a half of mesomorph...I currently need 300-400mg of caffeine to feel a pre workout. So, this pre is a very big welcome.
 
Agreed that it's nothing too ground breaking and I personally wouldn't go for it just because A.) DMAA sadly gives me too much of a negative side to make it worth the upside and B.) I'm not a fan of that noopept/hup-A dose all in one (personally).

As for the discussion of it being "too high" etc. -- meh. As others have pointed out, it's a non-prop. blend which is a big plus. And people will ALWAYS abuse something. So even if they take 3 scoops of this, let's not forget the idiots that ate ephedra tablets like PEZ and got that into the news. As long as warnings are given and information is present, it's on the end user so long as the product is safe at its recommended dose (remember, you can kill yourself from drinking too much water in a short period of time).
 
Tmac29 said:
The consumer needs to wise up and quit relying on the FDA to hold their hand. This is a non prop blend, so you know the exact dosings of everything. Nothing is hidden, its all in the open.

If the consumer uses too much of it, its on them. Not the company who made it. They've done everything they can, besides sending a brochure with them or waiver for them to sign before using.
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Yes I understand your point but when a company puts things in something that makes people feel good, many people do not use responsibly. Therefor it sort of makes the company an enabler of a person putting too much of it in their body. If a company really wanted to prevent this, instead of selling tubs, sell individual serving packets and only allow the consumer to buy a certain limit.
 
TheMaster said:
Yes I understand your point but when a company puts things in something that makes people feel good, many people do not use responsibly. Therefor it sort of makes the company an enabler of a person putting too much of it in their body. If a company really wanted to prevent this, instead of selling tubs, sell individual serving packets and only allow the consumer to buy a certain limit.
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That makes zero sense. And you are literally telling people they have no personal accountability for the things they choose to ingest.

Next thing you know, fat people are going to start suing Nestle for eating too many candy bars "cause they taste good" or Coors for being a drunk.
 
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